QUOTE=Urban_logic;4087624]Well we've got to fend for ourselves out here somehow. If we don't put up a fight, SLC will suck everything down town and force us to commute 1 hour each way to and from work. So would you rather us build endless seas of houses out here, or cluster together in dense centers? Daybreak is bringing density to the region and offering a central hub to cluster around. We could just sprawl traditionaly with seas of houses and strip malls - or we can make dense commercial/residential hubs with light-rail access like Daybreak.
I think this project is great for the region!
Seems to me like you guys always speak of us as miniscule "burbs out in the middle of nowhere", but judging by your harsh diatribes against us developing our community centers you guys fear us
What's there to be scared of? You guys have more going on down town than in recent history!! If anything, I think the maturation of the "burbs" is helping you guys. Stunting growth out here isn't going to help out the region very much.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you get it. I'm not against the burbs or development out there as long as it is smart and there is some thought as to how it impacts the entire metro region. People commute an hour or more because of typical status quo suburban mindset of living in the burbs and having to commute everywhere. Have you not seen pictures of great cities? Did you not see that picture of Johannesburg, South Africa posted just a little while back? They don't have massive parking lots, and blighted areas in their central core like SLC does, and other U.S. cities that have suffered from sprawl.
Let's get this straight. I am not against establishing suburban centers, just as long as it is not on the fringe like this one is. Or as massive like the Proscenium project in Sandy.
This is irresponsible development. It seems great for the developer and the suburb or land developer it immediately surrounds. But, it will acts as a catalyst to bring more and more people out to the fringe of suburban development, and therefore, pulling more vitality out of the metro core. I do understand where you are going with this, though. If this building were in downtown, most of the people that would work there would probably be commuting from the suburbs. It's just that this huge building is going to be placed on the fringe, as in sagebrush land. This is not smart. It would have been much better to place this building near south town in Sandy!
Here is a good analogy. You can think of a city as a donut, where the perimeter is forever expanding with new and better development, and the core in the middle tries to survive. Or, you can think of the city as something that you focus attention on the vitality the whole of the metro region with more of on cohesive planning with more density and vibrancy as you get closer to the heart of the region. Try to stitch together fragmented urban areas by infilling with good planning and make living in denser(not necessarily new york dense, but even Daybreak dense) more urban areas more attractive. Most great cities in this world have very attractive semi-dense living with neighborhood parks, corner bakeries, etc.