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Old Posted Mar 29, 2021, 6:52 PM
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It will rising between Chrysler building and one vanderbilt , am i right ?? And off course it will be massive 504m just 4m shy of Taipei 101.
From west to east on 42nd Street it will go: 1 Vanderbilt, Grand Central Station, 175 Park (Grand Hyatt), Chrysler Building
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That Relaxation Spa "commercial" looks creepy AF. You just know some shady stuff went down there.
Surprisingly upfront with what you were getting. They're more discreet these days, at least in certain locations. Imagine that commercial in the new building. They would just add something about being "sky high" (which could be interpreted other ways) or about the views.
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From west to east on 42nd Street it will go: 1 Vanderbilt, Grand Central Station, 175 Park (Grand Hyatt), Chrysler Building
Will be an imposing canyon. The street pretty much from West to East is a giant canyon.
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Will be an imposing canyon. The street pretty much from West to East is a giant canyon.
That it is. Older pic...


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https://www.archpaper.com/2021/04/op...tral-terminal/

Op-ed: SOM’s Project Commodore threatens to overshadow Grand Central Terminal.
But are concerns over its height overblown?



By Ian Volner
April 1, 2021


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Before climate change increased the average bottom-depth temperature of New York’s Hudson River by upward of three degrees, much of the river was given to freezing in winter. And on one such occasion, in the 1830s, Cornelius Vanderbilt is said to have scampered out onto the frigid waterway by himself, hoping to grab one of his steamboats and yank it free after it had become locked in the ice. He succeeded—he usually did—and as usual, he was doing it by whatever means necessary. The Commodore, as he came to be known for his riparian exploits (and not, notably, for any actual military service), was the archetype of the 19th-century robber baron: Turning his shipping enterprise into a railroad empire, Vanderbilt amassed one of the great fortunes of the age through daring, treachery, and outright fraud.
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It may be wondered why the developer combo of TF Cornerstone and RXR Realty decided to name their proposed 42nd Street mixed-use tower after such a notorious risk-taker and universally acknowledged son of a bitch. At 83 stories, Project Commodore (a.k.a. 175 Park Avenue; the marketing handle is apparently tentative) is to be home to over 2 million square feet of offices, 10,000 square feet of retail, and a 500-key Hyatt hotel.

Assuming all goes well, it is expected to open for business long about 2030, by which time, its backers have to hope, the city will be able to absorb a gargantuan influx of high-end commercial real estate—a gamble the old tycoon would probably appreciate, but one that seems especially dicey given the incipient post-COVID glut in the market. At the same time, unless the builders are banking on a collective change of heart, they are also on a crash course with a cultural climate in which yet another overstuffed luxury complex, especially one dedicated to the memory of Cornelius Vanderbilt, is not likely to be anybody’s idea of a hip urban destination. As it is, the whole undertaking seems to be standing on alarmingly thin ice.
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The development’s prospects for success may have been overlooked in the rush of opinions about its appearance, intensifying in recent weeks following the building’s approval by the Landmarks Preservation Commission in late February. There’s a reason for that: The tower, a project of the New York office of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, is really, really big. If completed as designed, it will be second only to One World Trade Center among skyscrapers in New York City, taller still if measured by highest occupied floor, and unlike the erstwhile “Freedom Tower” (a lesson there about ill-fated naming conventions), or indeed most other recent major high-rises in Manhattan, Project Commodore does not boast a slender profile, with a height-to-width ratio of about 5.5:1 (compared with, for example, 24:1 for the nearly complete 111 West 57th Street). As seen in digital renderings, with its peacock-tail crown standing head and shoulders above the adjacent Chrysler Building, the proposed tower’s presence on the skyline makes it look like a linebacker surrounded by ballerinas.
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But again, that isn’t what’s drawn the most ire to date. The chief criticism has focused on what the building might do on the ground—namely to Grand Central, which it directly abuts. The House that Vanderbilt Built, over which the Commodore himself still presides in the form of a statue alongside the southern facade, will now be hemmed in by 175 Park on one side, the recently completed One Vanderbilt on the other, and the MetLife Building nearly on top of it, sparking concerns among preservationists that the once-imposing station will be greatly diminished. This is overblown: Grand Central has always been at its grandest as seen coming up Park Avenue; from that angle, Project Commodore will remain safely screened behind the old Bowery Savings Bank Building on the southeast corner of 42nd Street.
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The building’s thick trunk might not make such a bad addition to Manhattan’s skyscraper forest. So many of the new towers that surround it are members of a worrisome, invasive species: ultrathin supertall apartment houses, most of them empty, their floor-size units serving only to pad foreign buyers’ asset portfolios. Project Commodore is hefty because it has to be, because it is intended to facilitate something like a productive function of urban life, to provide offices for people who live and work in New York. It’s not heavy, just big-boned, and its bigness could be seen as an announcement that the city can still build something besides investment vehicles in the sky.

That’s provided, of course, that people want to occupy it. Across town, the pandemic economy has nearly laid waste to a different developer dream of ritzy boutiques and corporate workspace. Hudson Yards never quite caught on, its particular brand of shopping-mall chic jarringly out of sync with the city; now, the shuttered eateries and empty executive suites there will have to fill up again, and there will have to be demand for office space left over if 175 Park is to servewill have to be very kind to New York in general.
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....From that perspective, the Commodore is a bold statement of optimism—though the name still rankles. Presumably, the developers were attempting to distance their building from its immediate forebear: The Grand Hyatt, which previously occupied the site, was an early project from a well-known local real estate magnate turned quasi-fascist U.S. president. He, likewise, had taken over the property in the late 1970s from a still older hotel, called the Commodore; the current ownership, in a misguided attempt at damnatio memoriae, ended up merely substituting one unsavory association for another. As it happens, however, there’s good news and bad just a couple of blocks away, where the recent death of a famous luxury hotel (not a good augury in itself) at least frees up another, more politically appetizing namesake. Any takers for “Project Roosevelt?”
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Beyond whether or not I agree with the criticisms that emerged in this article, I believe that the Commodore project together with that of One Vanderbilt represent a kind of pillars that support an invisible door that opens up positively on the entire surrounding area. The Commodore project represents not only a beautiful tower that fits perfectly within the area itself and among the nearby skyscrapers but represents with its construction the optimism for the future of the city as well as the ESB in the years' 30. Furthermore, its construction will employ thousands of people in a very complicated phase for the economy.

On the Roosevelt project, I hope that the Pakistani soap opera will soon end and that a new project will begin to be imagined that will give life to a tower perhaps higher than that of the Commodore project.
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It is unfortunate that the Grand Central terminal would be overshadowed by even a moderately sized development as it is not that big. The original Penn Station looked enormous and must have been something to experience.
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if anything grand central is already overshadowed by the hideous hyatt.

the sooner its gone the better.
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The height to width of 5.5 is WAY off, especially if you are using the 1647' figure and not the ~1500' shown in the renders. There is no way this tower is 300' wide.
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My question is , what is the height of heighest occupied floors ?
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My question is , what is the height of heighest occupied floors ?
Depending on the final height, somewhere in the 1,400 - 1,500 foot range.
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No need to bring him into this. He's not building anything here. Let's leave the Trump discussions for somewhere else. I don't really want to have to clean up that mess.





Pretty similar.

Imagine Vanderbilt had been planned along with this skyscraper...not that this would happen, but it's nice to think about...






I would be freaking out in this thing... what if there is a wind storm of sorts? Yikes!
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Not that the floating disk/future catastrophic engineering failure thing was ever a remote possibility, but I'd say what we are getting is a hell of a lot better than that generic tower in that rendering.
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The Politics of Preservation
14 neighborhood organizations put out a petition to get mayoral candidates to address their concerns over landmark and historic identity issues


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.....With a new mayor, and much of city life altered by COVID-19, Khorsandi said this would be the right time to reevaluate the city’s priorities when it comes to development and preservation. He pointed to Project Commodore and the Empire Station Complex plan, two major Manhattan projects currently in motion, as development he feels will crowd landmarks and will be superfluous. With Project Commodore, a 1,646-foot-tall tower slated to replace the Grand Hyatt Hotel, and One Vanderbilt, Khorsandi said Grand Central is essentially being crushed.

“We say we love Grand Central: it’s amazing, it’s our favorite landmark,” said Khorsandi. “But then let’s just kill it with tall buildings?”

He called the Empire State Complex – a plan touted by Gov. Andrew Cuomo which proposes 10 new large-scale buildings that would also fund the overhaul of Penn Station – “shockingly ridiculous” at a time when many of the city’s candidates are talking about converting now-vacant office space into residential use.

“We’re rethinking how we use our office space, how we use our homes, the way we shop, how we procure the things we need for our sustenance, how we order meals, go to the grocery store, how we plan our trips,” Khorsandi said of the pandemic’s impact on city life. “Like every interaction in the public sphere is different now; yet, it’s almost as if development didn’t get the memo, and they’re still building higher, faster, different.”
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This is ridiculous, they’re going against tall buildings even in dead middle of New York City the original crowded skyscraper capital of the world. Grand Central been over shadowed since god knows when!? To be frank and honest all buildings around it look the same from ground level looking up, no matter the height at street level Grand Central does not look over shadowed. In fact it Grand Central looks way better surrounded and not just because I’m a skyscraper fanatic. That’s the reason I don’t get exited when new proposals are up, not until they place the first beams. It’s NYC for Christ sakes that’s the beauty of the city, you find hidden gems amongst the sea of skyscrapers.
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Not that the floating disk/future catastrophic engineering failure thing was ever a remote possibility, but I'd say what we are getting is a hell of a lot better than that generic tower in that rendering.
That thing failing would make for a good disaster movie though...
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What does "overcrowding'' mean anyway? Their argument makes no sense to me can someone explain.
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Can you imagine being an anti-skyscraper/urban development person who lives in Midtown Manhattan? Lol.
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Its just such a weird argument how is Grand Central overcrowded? It seemed fine to me when i went there. When One Vanderbilt was proposed were they say the same thing?
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