The Official Moncton, NB Project Thread

[ithree]

Double post

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Assuming a constant growth rate (and this has been the case for at least the last 5 years), Moncton will surpass 145,000 in 2013 and should be 150,000 by 2015.......

This assumption would have to depend upon other assumptions, such as Moncton's ability to diversify its sources of immigration. Currently, nearly 70% of the city's population growth is intraprovincial. New Brunswickers, many of whom are leaving their declining communities in search of employment and in search of a higher quality of access to public services (schools for families, and hospitals for seniors), are a source of population growth for Moncton that will eventually decline itself.

It will be important for this region to attract more foreign immigration to compensate.

[Monctoncore]

Taken down

[RyeJay]

Originally Posted by Monctoncore

Not to be rude, but my stats I posted, which are from stats can, would say other wise... Also, from reading through all the threads, your pro Halifax, as you mention it in a thread on the Canada page how it was your favourite city and so on.. I understand that what your saying are legit concerns, but there is a time when one gets tired of negativity and that's all you bring, you never write on these threads, until you see someone has written something they are happy about.

I would like it if you would start a new thread called the demise of Moncton and post all your garbage there, honestly so tired of your anti everything.. I don't know what caused your hate for New Brunswick, but it's not wanted..

I will agree yes environment is a concern. , population is a concern, but I know for a fact that our population isn't all gain from New Brunswick, I could say halifax a growth is all from rural Nova Scotia or say calgarys growth is all from our east, what will Calgary and Alberta do when Atlantic Canada is run dry of it's people? Stop making up facts.. Start being positive and start providing things to this that aren't to do with how much you hate nb. Your one person that should be on the top of te list for moderators because your constantly starting feuds..

this is a tread for construction development and yes it may be slow in Moncton at this moment, but remember it's construction not, New Brunswick destruction

End rant

Your opening line should have been more honest, as your post is a clear attempt at rudeness. Nonetheless, that is alright. I respect your right to express your opinion, as fragmented as it appears.

(As well, I don't see how Halifax is important to this discussion. FYI: I'm also rather fond of Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Quebec City, and St. John's.)

The stats you mentioned are the stats on which I was going (and no, these are not made up facts):

Moncton Total migrants 23,105

- Intraprovincial migrants - 14,600 (63.2%)
- Interprovincial migrants - 7,115 (30.8%)
- International migrants - 1,390 (6.0%)

I mentioned Moncton's long-term growth depending upon elevating its other forms of population growth, aside from intraprovincial, for which I'm hopeful.

[Monctoncore]

My apologies, I read what you said wrong I will take down my comment. I agree, International is a spot that we must grow and promote.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Monctoncore

I don't know why Shediac isn't part of the Moncton CMA... Sackville is and its a lot farther than Shediac...

Actually Memramcook is part of the Moncton CMA, Dorchester and Sackville are not.

On the other hand, the CMA extends disproportionately towards the west, and in the depths of rural Albert County, the Moncton CMA comes within only a few km of the Saint Johm CMA. This makes no sense.

[Monctoncore]

Oh my mistake, but yes that doesn't make sense, hopefully they will incorporate Shediac soon, but how does that get decided and when?

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by ithree

Does anyone know of a "Kent" distribution centre being built in Moncton? I caught the last bit of the news on cbc radio on my way home and apparently Irving will be hiring 2700 people over the next two years. Positions will range from trades people to retail. They also mentioned that they will be hiring for the distribution centre that was currently under construction in Moncton.

This is all news to me.

I wonder what Kent does now for product distribution?

We will have to keep an eye on this one.........

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Saguenay and Trois Rivieres aren't far off either. We'll likely pass both in the next five years or so.

EDIT: Especially if we were to pick up Shediac into the Moncton CMA. We'd get a 6k bump overnight.

Saguenay, Trois Rivieres and Sudbury all have essentially stagnant population growth. I agree, we may very well surpass the first two in the next five years. We may also surpass Sudbury in 10 years.

Then Moncton would be the 25th largest CMA in the country.

It might be difficult to climb up the heirarchy beyond #25, but I still think that's pretty good......

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Monctoncore

Oh my mistake, but yes that doesn't make sense, hopefully they will incorporate Shediac soon, but how does that get decided and when?

StatsCan rigidly follows its own rules regarding commuting and reverse commuting patterns as well as centres of economic activity. Sackville and Shediac have enough home grown economic activity that they don't pass the threshold necessary in terms of commuter traffic back and forth to Moncton in order to be considered as part of our CMA.

I think things will change, especially as far as Shediac is concerned as more and more people are moving to the town with the intent of commuting to Moncton to work. At some point, they will pass the threshold necessary to become a part of the CMA.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by ithree

Does anyone know of a "Kent" distribution centre being built in Moncton? I caught the last bit of the news on cbc radio on my way home and apparently Irving will be hiring 2700 people over the next two years. Positions will range from trades people to retail. They also mentioned that they will be hiring for the distribution centre that was currently under construction in Moncton.

Your ears were not deceiving you ithree.

From CBC:

J. D. Irving Plans to hire 6,500 New Employees

J.D. Irving Ltd. is looking for 6,500 new employees over the next couple of years, including more than 2,700 in New Brunswick.

Mary Keith, a company spokesperson, said the positions will be in various sectors of the company's operations, such as shipbuilding, railroad, forest products, the port and retail.

"These are jobs that are the result of what we're forecasting by way of growth from 2013 to 2015 as well as retirements and natural turnover," she said.

"We're looking for people in the trades, as well as information technology. We're looking for engineers.

"There's a big part of that piece that will come from retail. Kent is underway with a large distribution centre now under construction in Moncton. Here in Saint John, we've got the new Kent Store on the west side that's underway."

New Brunswick's unemployment rate was 10.8 per cent, as of December, according to Statistics Canada.

Meanwhile, 3,600 people left the labour force and 1,600 jobs were lost between November and December, the data shows.

J.D. Irving Ltd. hopes the new positions opening up within the company will not only keep New Brunswickers in the province, but bring back many who have gone out west to find work, said Keith.

personal note - I am not personally aware of a new Kent distribution centre currently under construction, but there is that new Kent retail store that will be built on Harrisville Blvd this year. Perhaps a new distribution centre in one of the industrial parks will also be built this summer as well.

On second thought, I wonder if the Harrisville Blvd project could be a combined distribution centre/retail store. If so, it could be massive!! if that were the case however, I'm not sure how well that would fit in with the new Sobeys store that is going to be built adjacent to it. Time will tell regarding what is actually going on here........

[haloj]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Your ears were not deceiving you ithree.

From CBC:

J. D. Irving Plans to hire 6,500 New Employees

J.D. Irving Ltd. is looking for 6,500 new employees over the next couple of years, including more than 2,700 in New Brunswick.

Mary Keith, a company spokesperson, said the positions will be in various sectors of the company's operations, such as shipbuilding, railroad, forest products, the port and retail.

"These are jobs that are the result of what we're forecasting by way of growth from 2013 to 2015 as well as retirements and natural turnover," she said.

"We're looking for people in the trades, as well as information technology. We're looking for engineers.

"There's a big part of that piece that will come from retail. Kent is underway with a large distribution centre now under construction in Moncton. Here in Saint John, we've got the new Kent Store on the west side that's underway."

New Brunswick's unemployment rate was 10.8 per cent, as of December, according to Statistics Canada.

Meanwhile, 3,600 people left the labour force and 1,600 jobs were lost between November and December, the data shows.

J.D. Irving Ltd. hopes the new positions opening up within the company will not only keep New Brunswickers in the province, but bring back many who have gone out west to find work, said Keith.

personal note - I am not personally aware of a new Kent distribution centre currently under construction, but there is that new Kent retail store that will be built on Harrisville Blvd this year. Perhaps a new distribution centre in one of the industrial parks will also be built this summer as well.

On second thought, I wonder if the Harrisville Blvd project could be a combined distribution centre/retail store. If so, it could be massive!! if that were the case however, I'm not sure how well that would fit in with the new Sobeys store that is going to be built adjacent to it. Time will tell regarding what is actually going on here........

This is great news!

Very interested to see how this develops.

[MonctonRad]

personal note - I am not personally aware of a new Kent distribution centre currently under construction, but there is that new Kent retail store that will be built on Harrisville Blvd this year. Perhaps a new distribution centre in one of the industrial parks will also be built this summer as well.

On second thought, I wonder if the Harrisville Blvd project could be a combined distribution centre/retail store. If so, it could be massive!! if that were the case however, I'm not sure how well that would fit in with the new Sobeys store that is going to be built adjacent to it. Time will tell regarding what is actually going on here........

Apparently the Kent distribution centre will be very large. As such, I don't think we are looking at a combined retail/distribution centre on Harrisville Blvd.

This leaves the question of where it will be built. There are four industrial parks in the metro area. A distribution centre of this magnitude likely will require good road (and rail) access. It is interesting to note that last fall, a huge lot at the back end of the Moncton Industrial Park West, next to the CN Rail mainline was clear cut.

Coincidence???

I have no inside knowledge of where the distribution centre will be built, so time will tell. The fact that JDI has let it slip that the distribution centre is coming probably means that a formal announcement of this project will soon be coming.....

Stay tuned......

[pierremoncton]

I don't know much about our industrial parks. Is this new? http://www.mid.nb.ca/english/sites/v...m/id/2/rec/112

[MonctonRad]

I checked the address on Google maps and streetview. This would appear to be their existing distribution centre. It doesn't appear that they have room to add on in this location. What few scraps of information that I have are that they will be building new and building large. We should know more before too long......

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I checked the address on Google maps and streetview. This would appear to be their existing distribution centre. It doesn't appear that they have room to add on in this location. What few scraps of information that I have are that they will be building new and building large. We should know more before too long......

I used to work for Kent a few years ago...all distribution is done out of Moncton already from two sizable buildings in the Moncton Ind. Park...one of which is quite old (this new one may replace it and be much larger). The other is fairly new (early 2000's?) and also houses the "training center" for all Kent stores.

Each large store has in house training for small scale stuff, but all supervisor/manager training takes place in Moncton.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by Monctoncore

I did a rough calculation based on the following idea:

The proportion of Moncton CMA growth accounted for by the Moncton CSD was 41% between 2006 and 2011. For Saint John it was 38%.

Factoring those percentages into the numbers for last year the approximate CSD populations (on July 1st 2012) would be the following:

Saint John: 70,215 (growth of 152)
Moncton: 70,017 (growth of 943)

Furthering those numbers based on that (approximate) growth rate the number for 6 months later (Jan 1st 2013) would be the following:

Saint John: 70,291
Moncton: 70,488

So based on the best information available to date we can gather that Moncton is most likely now the largest city in NB!

Of course that won't be official until 2016, but we will know

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by mmmatt

I did a rough calculation based on the following idea:

The proportion of Moncton CMA growth accounted for by the Moncton CSD was 41% between 2006 and 2011. For Saint John it was 38%.

Factoring those percentages into the numbers for last year the approximate CSD populations (on July 1st 2012) would be the following:

Saint John: 70,215 (growth of 152)
Moncton: 70,017 (growth of 943)

Furthering those numbers based on that (approximate) growth rate the number for 6 months later (Jan 1st 2013) would be the following:

Saint John: 70,291
Moncton: 70,488

So based on the best information available to date we can gather that Moncton is most likely now the largest city in NB!

Of course that won't be official until 2016, but we will know

You're as much of a statistics freak as I am mmmatt!

We all know the dangers of extrapolation, but I can't fault your logic. I think it is a reasonable assumption that the City of Moncton is indeed in all likelyhood now the largest city in New Brunswick.

Also, using the powers of extrapolation, it would seem likely that the current population of the Moncton CMA, as of February 1st 2013, is probably in the vicinity of 144,200.

[MonctonRad]

Riverview votes down causeway motion
Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Times & Transcript
By: Eric Lewis

Mayor says council isn't against replacing causeway with bridge, but it's not top priority

Riverview council has voted against a motion proposed by the Petitcodiac Riverkeeper to urge the federal government to fund the replacement of the causeway with a partial bridge.

Council voted on the issue last night. In the last two weeks, both Moncton and Dieppe councils voted in favour of Riverkeeper's proposal, which comes with an estimated $40-million price tag.

Riverview Mayor Ann Seamans said a few weeks ago that how Moncton and Dieppe voted could impact how Riverview council voted, but ultimately it didn't.

'It wasn't anything against the bridge, it was about priorities,' Seamans said of the six-to-one vote against the motion. 'And the majority of council felt that they could not vote for this to be our priority when there's so (much) other work that has to be done for the river, with sewage treatment being the biggest one.'

read more:
http://22864.vws.magma.ca/index.php?&article_id=10618

Personal note - There is no real surprise in this vote by Riverview town council. Some of this is probably related to residual hard feelings by the LAPPA types, but I suspect that a lot of this is due to honest concern that if funding is put towards replacing the causeway with a bridge, that the feds then wouldn't kick in funding to upgrade the sewage treatment plant at Outhouse Point.

Personally, I would think the feds would fund the sewage treatment plant upgrade in any event. I think the real issue is whether it is more important to replace the causeway or build the downtown events centre. I still think the events centre is more important for community development....

[JasonL-Moncton]

I still think that a "River Fund" charity needs to be set up that individuals, special interest groups, environmental organizations, and corporations can donate too to "raise" the money for the new bridge...what would the government say if a private charity stepped to the plate and said...we don't need you, we'll do it on our own?

Not sure it's a feasible avenue, but if the price tag is is $40M and a charity could say raise half...would the fed chip in the other half? Thoughts?