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Old Posted Nov 14, 2023, 5:32 PM
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Large senior's complex is going in at 363-365 Oakdale Drive.

https://www.oakdaleresidences.com/
That is a lot of parking lots...
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 14, 2023, 6:23 PM
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That is a lot of parking lots...
It's Charleswood, who cares. Getting any density built in Charleswood is a huge achievement. Also, the buildings will be senior's apartments, something this is very needed in Charleswood. Charleswood has lots of seniors who are living in large houses and they need somewhere smaller to retire.

The building replaces a couple houses and a vacant church. Basically nothing of value was lost for a lot of new housing being built. City Council basically approved the project because it allows seniors to "age-in-place" and I very much agree with that.
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It's Charleswood, who cares. Getting any density built in Charleswood is a huge achievement. Also, the buildings will be senior's apartments, something this is very needed in Charleswood. Charleswood has lots of seniors who are living in large houses and they need somewhere smaller to retire.

The building replaces a couple houses and a vacant church. Basically nothing of value was lost for a lot of new housing being built. City Council basically approved the project because it allows seniors to "age-in-place" and I very much agree with that.
Well when you put it that way, noted and fair enough haha.
     
     
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No that one got cancelled I believe and was located over by the bridge (didn’t the MB board cancel it over NIMBY shit)? I think this one is a separate one. I’m saying this based off someone else’s recent post here somewhere, can’t remember who said it.

This one mentioned is across from the curling club.
Oh, that's right. Wab should cancel that.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 12:18 AM
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Can that be a thing? Cuz I’d love if that was a thing.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 12:00 PM
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City hall takes nest step towards getting federal housing $$. Full council vote next week.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...nges-1.7028490

From the tone of the article, opposition is fairly muted, so I'm hoping this gets done quickly.
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Using Calgary as the precedent they are receiving roughly $230 million and will be able to fast track development for 6,800 units over the next 3 years and 35k by the end of the decade.

Since Winnipeg would be receiving $192 million (which is substantially more than Calgary if we compare population) the city could fast track roughly 6-6.5k units over the next three years and 30-33k units over the next decade just from this fund.

Then with the relaxed zoning laws, that’s going to spur even more development. For example my lot in Waverley West is now eligible to be a 4-storey building with at least 4 units without needing to deal with rezoning because it’s 250m from a transit stop with 3 different bus lines (max is 800m). Definitely want to take advantage of that when I’m back in Winnipeg.

But I wonder if they’ll also allow main floor commercial for these eligible buildings or if it’s only allowed to be residential?
     
     
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If I could guess, a developer could provide a cost breakdown on a mixed use project, and receive funding only for the residential component and/or a portion of the overall structural cost, and then have to front whatever remainder is designated for the commercial portion. I doubt it would be a black and white scenario because ultimately the city/province/feds benefit more from a greater tax-dense building than not. This is just common sense speculation. I haven’t seen any literature.
     
     
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Separate question, does anyone know what is going up at the site of the old Discount Everything on Ellice? Fencing is up and excavation is ongoing.
     
     
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Separate question, does anyone know what is going up at the site of the old Discount Everything on Ellice? Fencing is up and excavation is ongoing.
I don't, but I swear there was a post a year or two back where a forum member said they were looking to buy and redevelop that lot.

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I just purchased 701 Ellice Ave. Would love to hear what you guys would like to see there in terms of redevelopment.

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I don't, but I swear there was a post a year or two back where a forum member said they were looking to buy and redevelop that lot.

Edit: Found 'em
Wow, that's some quality investigative journalism haha.
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Separate question, does anyone know what is going up at the site of the old Discount Everything on Ellice? Fencing is up and excavation is ongoing.
History of the location:
http://winnipegdowntownplaces.blogsp...verything.html
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2023, 6:03 PM
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Check out this NIMBY opposition letter sent to the Freep. I made it halfway before I couldn't take it anymore, and guessed it was probably Christine Skene (missed the author's name at the very top in classic ADD form), and skipped to the bottom and of course, though not Christine Skene, it's some rich mouthpiece from Crescentwood. Protecting their investment over protecting society's right to reasonably priced housing.

Richard Leipsic

In its Nov. 9 editorial, “Questions surround mayor’s proposal,” the Free Press is right to question the implications of the City of Winnipeg succumbing to the Liberal federal government’s recent directive covering the federal Housing Accelerator Fund (HAF). In order to be eligible to receive a portion of the $192-million fund, the city must “legalize four units, and up to four storeys within 800 metres of transit, as-of-right, citywide”!

Neighbourhoods are the basic fabric of any city. To maintain and regulate their characteristics, modern cities including Winnipeg have adopted zoning designations such as R-1 single family residences. Zoning is the most common regulatory urban planning method used by local governments in developed countries. Their use can be traced back to antiquity.

The federal HAF requirements will turn 100 years of planned neighbourhood development on its head.

The mandate is typical of big government “one size fits all” programs. Cities, including Winnipeg have diverse neighbourhoods, many of which comprise older homes with aging infrastructure.

The HAF has a meaningful role in promoting affordable housing and the requirements might serve a useful purpose if imposed from inception on new development areas; for instance, the Parker Lands. However, requiring Winnipeg to blanket every existing neighbourhood with preapproved unrestricted multi-family four-storey development is draconian, and disregards the sensitive balance in which mature neighbourhoods exist; and indeed, is inimical to their continued viability.

A house is normally an individual’s largest financial investment.

Homeowners invest in their homes deservedly expecting the applicable surrounding R-1 zoning designations will be retained. Or at a minimum, as a “matter of law” any change in the designation will be subject to the city’s administrative approval and endorsed at a public hearing where affected neighbours can contest the appropriateness of the change.

The process places the onus on the applicant to establish that the proposed change meets with a variety of city guidelines, including Complete Communities Direction Strategy, Infill in Mature Communities, The Winnipeg Climate Change Action Plan, as well as minimum parking requirements, proximity to services and access/ingress requirements etc.

A change in zoning requirements to erect a multiplex is transparent and open to public scrutiny.

If adopted the HAF provisions will completely erase the established practice requiring a proponent to justify the change and establish that it aligns with the mentioned policies.

The change will also be a bonanza for developers “as-of-right,” to speculate in every street corner and lot that has a potential multi-family use. The unintended consequence is the creation of a new market wherein every home on a potential multi-family site is valued not for its current single-family use, but for its “tear-down” and development value. The result will be a huge disincentive for owners to reinvest in their own homes, and the erosion of vibrant mature neighbourhoods. This will occur in every single neighbourhood, including those that don’t see a dime of federal HAF monies or any increase in affordable or accessible housing.

Does the city truly appreciate the economic and social implications of permanently adopting the HAF requirements?

Furthermore, most mature neighbourhoods lack the required infrastructure including roadways, on-street parking, separate surface run-off and wastewater lines, and community green space, to properly accommodate unrestricted multi-family development.

While the HAF requirements are laudable in requiring subsidized units to be within 800 metres of a transit line, that’s a long way to catch a bus in February! Winnipeggers still rely heavily on automobiles for transportation. In my neighbourhood, every recent multi-family development has been approved with almost two cars for every new unit. Being close to a bus stop will not curtail every new development putting more cars, congestion (and Amazon deliveries!) and pollution on streets already lacking adequate parking for their residents.

Abandoning the requirement to amend R-1 zoning designations in favour of the ill-conceived HAF program will have long-lasting effects on our communities. The fourplex “as of right” provisions may survive and plague neighbourhoods in perpetuity long after the fund has been spent and the politicians take their bows.

By adopting the “anything goes” notion, the city is set to betray not only its existing guidelines, years of precedent, but also its homeowning citizens. As an aside, I question the legality of enacting the proposal.

As Winnipeg celebrates its sesquicentennial, I fear we are about to turn the page back to the “Wild West” of helter scattered disordered development. I would encourage the EPC to tread carefully in considering such an impactful revision to the City’s zoning regime, and not succumb to the federal government’s quick money where more thoughtful solutions to infill development in our uniquely Winnipeg mature neighbourhoods are warranted.

Richard Leipsic is a lawyer, lifelong resident of Winnipeg and lives in the Crescentwood-Enderton Park Heritage Conservation District, a mature neighbourhood.

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"Plague neighbourhoods." Honestly fuck these unbelievably entitled people.

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I made it to Liberal Federal government and stopped haha
     
     
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^People are allowed their opinions, of course. what bothers me is when an individual's gripes are represented in the media as "community push-back" or a "controversy". There seems to be little bother for accurate representation when click-bait is concerned.
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People are 100% entitled to their opinions. When that opinion is line 1 in your gripe about a civic issue, that is not appropriate.

Political bias should not dictate your opinion on the matter. Especially with the hostile political environment of today.
     
     
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'As Winnipeg celebrates its sesquicentennial, I fear we are about to turn the page back to the “Wild West” of helter scattered disordered development.'

I find this one to be a classic gem
     
     
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I totally understand why online comment sections are riddled with dumb, illogical arguments, but this guy was a successful lawyer. How do you spend a whole career practicing law and then turn around and argue something this dumb and hysterical, that allowing fourplexes is basically the same as abolishing all zoning and city planning lol.
     
     
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I've seen tons of bad takes on the new zoning reforms, including this gem:


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