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Old Posted Nov 8, 2008, 1:20 AM
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That will come into effect in January? or next September?
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2008, 1:26 AM
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There's no mention when the Rymal extention will happen but it'll happen in 2009 with council approval.

There's a good chance extra revenue will be made from increase the HSR levy instead of a fare box increase.

This time Council has an option to increase HSR levy instead of increasing the fare box.
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Old Posted Nov 8, 2008, 9:40 PM
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I agree that the last increase should have been to $2.50 instead of waiting until now. I don't really mind it going up, at least I won't have to dick around with a nickle and a dime any more. Just a toonie and two quarters now. Pretty simple.
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Poor 'can't afford' HSR hikes
But if you're 80 or older, you'd ride free

November 10, 2008
Nicole Macintyre
The Hamilton Spectator

Riding a Hamilton bus may soon cost you 10 cents more - unless you're 80 or older.

The city is looking at hiking transit fares for the third time in two years.

If approved, fares would rise to $2.50 a trip, and monthly adult bus passes would jump to $84 in January. Last year, the same pass cost $65.

Octogenarians, however, won't need to dig for extra coin if council endorses a plan to let residents 80 and up ride for free.

Council will debate the transit proposals at a meeting Friday.

Lynn Aquin, of the Campaign for Adequate Welfare, has already signed up to fight the fare increase, in what has become an annual battle for poverty advocates.

"People can't afford this increase. They really can't," she said, noting the price of a monthly pass has gone up 22 per cent since the beginning of 2007.

"That's a lot of money and that could be the difference (between) having to go to the food bank or not."

Councillor Sam Merulla said he will oppose the fare increase.

"It's unacceptable," he said, noting fare increases discourage ridership growth. "It's counterproductive. It's not in the best interests of the city."

But city staff believe the 10-cent fare increase is needed to expand the bus service, while avoiding cuts and drawing on transit reserves.

Hamilton's fares would still be below the average price in other Canadian municipalities.

To soften the blow of the proposed increases a little bit, staff are proposing to offer discounted bus passes for young people in the summertime and to also extend its affordable transit pass program.

There's also proposed service improvements along Rymal Road between the Ancaster Industrial Park and the Eastgate transit terminal, and expanded hours for accessible transit.

The transit budget is slated to increase by nearly 6 per cent - or $2.3 million - next year, largely because of pension costs.

An increase in ridership growth this year is expected to boost revenue by $1.2 million, while the proposed fare jump should generate $1.3 million.

Free rides for people over 80 are expected to cost $40,000 a year. If council rejects the fare increases, the only other option is to further increase the general tax levy so homeowners share the tab.

That's just not fair when the city is already facing a tax increase of up to 9 per cent, explained Ancaster councillor Lloyd Ferguson. "Taxpayers are paying enough."

The proposed fare jump isn't as bad as some transit advocates feared, said Peter Hutton, of the Transit Users Group. But he said it's still difficult to swallow when riders don't see service improving.

"They keep raising fares and not improving the availability and quality of service," said Hutton.



2008 fare - proposed 2009 fare

Cash $2.40 - $2.50

Adult Ticket $1.85 - $1.95

Youth $1.50 - $1.60

Monthly adult pass $79 - $84

Monthly Youth pass$63 - $68

Senior yearly pass $205 - $215
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 12:10 PM
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City hopes businesses buy into discounted bus passes for workers

November 10, 2008
The Hamilton Spectator

Hamilton businesses will be able to give their employees a break on commuting costs if a new city program earns council approval.

The proposed plan would see the city partner with local employers to knock 40 per cent off the cost of monthly bus passes for workers.

Though transit staff hope the $40,000 proposal will increase ridership, a pilot initiative is already being cancelled because the employer couldn't afford to renew it.

Last year, Hamilton Health Sciences bought 250 discounted transit passes. A staff report states the hospital has indicated it doesn't have the resources to continue the program in 2009.

The city is also looking to expand its own employee bus pass program to allow more staff to qualify for half-price passes. Council is also being asked to allow the city to subsidize transit costs for employees who use Burlington Transit or GO to get to work.
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Poor 'can't afford' HSR hikes
But if you're 80 or older, you'd ride free

November 10, 2008
Nicole Macintyre
The Hamilton Spectator

Riding a Hamilton bus may soon cost you 10 cents more - unless you're 80 or older.

The city is looking at hiking transit fares for the third time in two years.

If approved, fares would rise to $2.50 a trip, and monthly adult bus passes would jump to $84 in January. Last year, the same pass cost $65.

Octogenarians, however, won't need to dig for extra coin if council endorses a plan to let residents 80 and up ride for free.

Council will debate the transit proposals at a meeting Friday.

Lynn Aquin, of the Campaign for Adequate Welfare, has already signed up to fight the fare increase, in what has become an annual battle for poverty advocates.

"People can't afford this increase. They really can't," she said, noting the price of a monthly pass has gone up 22 per cent since the beginning of 2007.

"That's a lot of money and that could be the difference (between) having to go to the food bank or not."

Councillor Sam Merulla said he will oppose the fare increase.

"It's unacceptable," he said, noting fare increases discourage ridership growth. "It's counterproductive. It's not in the best interests of the city."

But city staff believe the 10-cent fare increase is needed to expand the bus service, while avoiding cuts and drawing on transit reserves.

Hamilton's fares would still be below the average price in other Canadian municipalities.

To soften the blow of the proposed increases a little bit, staff are proposing to offer discounted bus passes for young people in the summertime and to also extend its affordable transit pass program.

There's also proposed service improvements along Rymal Road between the Ancaster Industrial Park and the Eastgate transit terminal, and expanded hours for accessible transit.

The transit budget is slated to increase by nearly 6 per cent - or $2.3 million - next year, largely because of pension costs.

An increase in ridership growth this year is expected to boost revenue by $1.2 million, while the proposed fare jump should generate $1.3 million.

Free rides for people over 80 are expected to cost $40,000 a year. If council rejects the fare increases, the only other option is to further increase the general tax levy so homeowners share the tab.

That's just not fair when the city is already facing a tax increase of up to 9 per cent, explained Ancaster councillor Lloyd Ferguson. "Taxpayers are paying enough."

The proposed fare jump isn't as bad as some transit advocates feared, said Peter Hutton, of the Transit Users Group. But he said it's still difficult to swallow when riders don't see service improving.

"They keep raising fares and not improving the availability and quality of service," said Hutton.




2008 fare - proposed 2009 fare

Cash $2.40 - $2.50

Adult Ticket $1.85 - $1.95

Youth $1.50 - $1.60

Monthly adult pass $79 - $84

Monthly Youth pass$63 - $68

Senior yearly pass $205 - $215

I don't what the hell HSR is doing it's barely worth it to get a monthly pass anymore. They keep shooting themselves in the foot, fares go up no improved service. There's no reason to have fares at $2.50, but still have some buses on 30 min intervals. No bus should take more then 20 mins, unless it's a seasonal route.

Shoot a city(town) like brampton built on sprawl is almost got better service then HSR. They need to freeze fare increases until we get LRT, then they can have fares at $3.50 for all I care.
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IMO it's a poor time to do an increase due to so many people that are losing their jobs.
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They have to at least honour their regular riders by giving a decent discount on passes.

I also don't think they should give over 80s a free ride. Why were they chosen over other groups?
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I don't what the hell HSR is doing it's barely worth it to get a monthly pass anymore. They keep shooting themselves in the foot, fares go up no improved service.
Thom Oommen made this point in an RTH article at the beginning of the year.

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I also don't think they should give over 80s a free ride. Why were they chosen over other groups?
As a group, they're small enough to serve as a cheap PR move.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2008, 5:46 PM
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They have to at least honour their regular riders by giving a decent discount on passes.
Monthly transit passes have evolved to be a convenience item rather than a savings item for most public transit systems around the world.

If you ride the bus 44 or more times each month (i.e. 22 round-trips per month), then the pass offers extra value. Otherwise, use the tickets.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2008, 5:52 PM
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After raising transit fares to $2.50 the Mayor or a councilor should introduce a motion requesting a three-year moratorium on any increase to transit fares.
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2.50 isn't bad. Most agencies are going to 2.75 or 3.00.
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You can now ride the HSR with Google

November 12, 2008
Hamilton Spectator

There will soon be fewer excuses to be late for class or for work.

The city of Hamilton's public works department has been working with Google programmers for the past few months to add local transit routes to the popular Google map interface.

It means that, in addition to the best route to drive between point A and point B, you can also find out what bus to take and what the transfer points are if it's more than one bus.

The service goes live tomorrow. The illustration above uses a Vancouver to-from example to show how it will work.

Hamilton is the fifth city in Canada to receive this treatment. Ottawa, Montreal, Vancouver and Fredericton were first.

How did Hamilton get the service before Toronto?

Google spokesperson Tamara Micner says the city of Hamilton was "very co-operative" in the partnership.

In a separate, unrelated announcement yesterday, Google publicized an interactive component to its Google Earth service that allows you to stroll through the streets of Ancient Rome.
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2008, 10:05 PM
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You can now ride the HSR with Google

November 12, 2008
Hamilton Spectator

There will soon be fewer excuses to be late for class or for work.

The city of Hamilton's public works department has been working with Google programmers for the past few months to add local transit routes to the popular Google map interface.

It means that, in addition to the best route to drive between point A and point B, you can also find out what bus to take and what the transfer points are if it's more than one bus.

The service goes live tomorrow. The illustration above uses a Vancouver to-from example to show how it will work.

Hamilton is the fifth city in Canada to receive this treatment. Ottawa, Montreal, Vancouver and Fredericton were first.

How did Hamilton get the service before Toronto?

Google spokesperson Tamara Micner says the city of Hamilton was "very co-operative" in the partnership.

In a separate, unrelated announcement yesterday, Google publicized an interactive component to its Google Earth service that allows you to stroll through the streets of Ancient Rome.
Excellent. Actually all the GTA will be on there very soon. Metrolinx is working on that. Why do I know this? for co-op I had a job interview with Metrolinx. I didn't get the job, but that was one of the things that was mentioned during the interview.
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It's up and running now. AWESOME!

beats the crap out of the trip planner.
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I checked it out this morning and it's good. Nice and simple.
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anyone have a link?? I just went to google maps and it's not on there.
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It's called Google Transit, www.google.com/transit

You'll find Hamilton listed from there.
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ahh, I see. thanks.
I recall being on Google maps recently checking out Portland and the transit lines were on that map. they must have got google to add their transit to the normal maps page.
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