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So that's based on average ticket prices regardless of destination?
Not sure, but it's a very good question since the searches for flights originating from each of these airports may vary greatly. The article doesn't specify this level of detail, but I wonder if they somehow limited the exercise to certain (i.e., most popular) routes.

Anyway, such reports are always to be taken with a grain of salt, but they're interesting nonetheless.
     
     
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So that's based on average ticket prices regardless of destination?
Exactly so a basically useless stat where small feeder airports like Victoria, Kelowna and Ottawa have lots of cheap flights to destinations a 4 hour drive away.
     
     
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Hmmm. Small, feeder airports aren't the only ones with lots of cheap flights to destinations a 4-hour drive away (ex. I once flew SWA from LAX to LAS for $65 one-way). In fact, the implicit lack of competition at small, feeder airports puts them at a pricing disadvantage, so I'm not one to so quickly dismiss a stat like that.
     
     
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According to CP24 in Toronto, Westjet Encore is going to be expanding, and Ottawa is one of the chosen markets.

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WestJet Encore is shaking up Canada's regional airline market, pressuring rivals to cut fares and lower costs as it prepares to expand its presence in Eastern Canada and enter the United States.
Launched more than a year ago, the Calgary-based carrier claims to be "liberating Canadians from the high cost of air travel" and stimulating demand.
"I think we've woken the competition up absolutely," said Encore president Ferio Pugliese.

Encore hopes to double its fleet of 14 Bombardier Q400 turboprops by 2016 and is already adding to its nearly 100 flights per day to 18 destinations, mainly in Western Canada.
A route was recently added between Thunder Bay and Toronto. Eastern service will be introduced in the coming months to Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Fredericton and American destinations from both ends of Canada are set to be added by 2016.

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> More information/confirmation via the Ottawa Citizen (from 2 days ago).
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2014, 8:22 PM
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Encore shaking up Canadian regional flying as it prepares east and U.S. expansion

Ross Marowits, The Canadian Press 10.04.2014


MONTREAL - WestJet Encore is shaking up Canada's regional airline market, pressuring rivals to cut fares and lower costs as it prepares to expand its presence in Eastern Canada and enter the United States.

Launched more than a year ago, the Calgary-based carrier claims to be "liberating Canadians from the high cost of air travel" and stimulating demand.

"I think we've woken the competition up absolutely," said Encore president Ferio Pugliese.

Encore hopes to double its fleet of 14 Bombardier Q400 turboprops by 2016 and is already adding to its nearly 100 flights per day to 18 destinations, mainly in Western Canada.

A route was recently added between Thunder Bay and Toronto. Eastern service will be introduced in the coming months to Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Fredericton and American destinations from both ends of Canada are set to be added by 2016.

At full maturity, Encore aims to increase its share of the Canadian regional market to more than 40 per cent, but declined to indicate its current share.

Air Canada (TSX:AC.B), as the country's largest operator, and regional partner Jazz stand to feel the most heat.

Air Canada CEO Calin Rovinescu said he is not surprised by the impact of Encore on its routes and has deployed Q400s on some western routes ahead of time to increase flights and beat the competition.

He recently described Encore's impact as "de minimis" but said (Air Canada's) regional network must operate more competitively by lowering costs.

"With the roll out over the next several years, we certainly expect our regional partners to increase their competitiveness," he told analysts during a conference call in August to discuss its second-quarter results.

Encore's strategy is to target markets with populations of least 100,000 populations and drive at least half the passengers to WestJet's mainline network as it expands overseas with widebody planes.

Pugliese said industry passenger traffic in markets like Nanaimo and Terrace, B.C., has increased 35 to 50 per cent since Encore launched service by driving a 30 to 40 per cent reduction in airfares.

Encore says traffic in Fort St. John, B.C., has quadrupled since it started service, while fares dropped 60 to 80 per cent. Fare reductions were 20 to 30 per cent in other new markets.”

"People otherwise not taking the plane are now using aircraft where otherwise they would have driven or not travelled."

Airline analyst Robert Kokonis said Encore's impact on Canadian aviation will intensify as it expands east.

"It's going to be great for travellers because fares are going to go down but it will affect the bottom line of carriers like Porter," said the president of airline consulting firm AirTrav.

Porter Airlines, which launched in 2006, is based at Toronto's downtown airport, flies mainly in eastern Canada and the United States, but is also planning to expand its destinations west.

Kokonis said Air Canada is adjusting to the competition by leveraging its partnership with non-unionized Sky Regional, which shuttles passengers mainly between Porter's hub at Toronto's city airport and Montreal, to pressure Jazz to cut its costs.

Sky Regional, which started in 2011, later added Air Canada's fleet of Embraer 175 jets to U.S. destinations.

Joseph Randell, CEO of Jazz parent company Chorus Aviation (TSX:CHR.B), acknowledges that the increased competition is putting more pressure on Jazz.

"As a large supplier in Canada we definitely feel the pressures to reduce our costs and we're doing so and have plans to continue down that road," he said in an interview.

The Halifax-based company expects to spend $25 million by year end on voluntary severance packages to reduce the number of senior and higher-paid pilots. It is also replacing smaller aircraft with Q400 turboprops. Over three years, 32 older 50-seat regional jets have been removed and replaced with 21 of its 74-seat turbos.

Randell said it can reduce costs even further by continuing to replace aircraft and changing the structure of the agreement that governs its relationship with Air Canada to reward lowering costs.

But he said the company isn't seeking to roll back pilot wages, which are higher at Jazz than startup airlines.

Capt. Dan Adamus, president of the Air Line Pilots Association Canada which represents 1,500 Jazz pilots, said it is prepared to work with employers, but salaries need to be "fair and equitable and commensurate with the responsibilities a pilot has."

Once part of Air Canada's operations, Jazz was spun off as a separate company in 2006. It is the country's dominant regional player, operating about 800 flights a day to more than 80 North American destinations with a fleet of 122 turbo and jet aircraft.

Canada's regional airline sector is seen as more stable than the U.S., which faces intense pressure from ultra-low cost carriers like Spirit Airways and Allegiant.

The consolidation of six large U.S. airlines into three has also prompted an estimated 10 per cent reduction in regional flights as small airplanes were replaced with larger ones and large carriers rewrote contracts to cap the profit margins of their regional partners.

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Old Posted Oct 5, 2014, 8:23 PM
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The Canadian Press... where every sentence is important enough to be a paragraph.
     
     
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All WestJet has confirmed for Ottawa is starting March 15 one of the daily flights to Toronto will be on Encore. Same goes for YYZ-YOW.
So for the weekdays 1 of the 9 flights to YYZ on Encore. 1 of the 10 fights to YOW on Encore.

Hopefully they'll launch a YOW-LGA to compete with AC's monopoly on the route for the summer.
     
     
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Looks like there's an A330-300 doing AC839 from Frankfurt today instead of the usual B763.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA839/history/20141008/1100Z/EDDF/CYOW
     
     
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Looks like there's an A330-300 doing AC839 from Frankfurt today instead of the usual B763.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA839/history/20141008/1100Z/EDDF/CYOW
It'll be turning and performing AC888 to LHR this evening as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2014, 2:54 AM
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Looks like there's an A330-300 doing AC839 from Frankfurt today instead of the usual B763.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ACA839/history/20141008/1100Z/EDDF/CYOW
For the non plane-spotters... is this an unusual event?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 9, 2014, 3:01 AM
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Ottawa airport reopens largest runway

Ottawa South News, Oct 8, 2014
By Erin McCracken


Air traffic has noticeably changed course over Ottawa with last week’s opening of the Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport’s newly reconstructed runway – the third and final landing strip to be overhauled as part of a multimillion dollar project.

After years of planning, the $30-million reconstruction, funded by airport improvement fees, began on May 20.

Meeting the deadline was essential to minimize the impact to neighbourhoods under the flight path.

More air traffic was directed over communities located east and west of the facility while the longest runway was out of commission, “which meant that all of the neigbourhoods east and west of the airport had all of the noise, whereas it’s normally spread out over two runways,” said Krista Kealey, spokeswoman for the Ottawa International Airport Authority, which has been managing and operating the airport since 1997.

Since May, workers with general contractor R.W. Tomlinson, primary sub-contractor Black & McDonald and main consultant WSP Canada have been working 16-hour days, six days a week to ensure the more than 3,000 metre-long runway would be completed by the Sept. 30 deadline.

They went through about 85,000 tonnes of asphalt and almost 38,000 litres of paint.

“There were hundreds (of workers) and on the busiest days there were 200 people on site at any given time,” said Kealey. “It’s a big runway.”

The existing runway was completely reconstructed as well as re-contoured to ensure proper drainage. Lighting systems along the strip were also replaced.

The last time the airport’s runways were resurfaced was during the 1980s.

A 300-meter-long runway end safety area was also installed at the end of the strip “in case an aircraft overshoots the runway or lands long or needs accelerating,” Kealey said.

The special additions ensure the Ottawa airport meets international standards for runway safety set out by the International Civil Aviation Organization, the United States Federal Aviation Authority, as well in keeping with Transport Canada guidelines.

“We’ve done it with safety in mind for our passengers, our aircraft and crew. We’ve done it because it’s the right thing to do,” Kealey said. “We’d rather lead the way in terms of safety. It’s our absolute first priority. And so we’re there.”

The safety area was dug up, and loose fill was added and then seeded.

“So it’s grass, but if a plane were to go into it, the way that it’s sloped … would allow it to come to a stop and there’d be nothing there to do any damage to it, so it would just sort of sink into it,” she explained.

The reconstruction is the third and final phase of an overhaul that began in 2010 with an overhaul of the 04/22 north field runway, a 1,000-metre-long strip used for general aviation, as well as flight schools and flying clubs, which use small aircraft such as Cessnas.

Then, in 2012, the airport’s 07/25 east-west runway was overhauled and runway end safety areas were installed at a cost of about $15 million.

“And then we went to the added step of grooving it (in 2013), which means you make cuts across the runway, and that’s to improve drainage again,” Kealey said. “And we’re the only tier-one airport in Canada that has a grooved runway. The only other one is a small airport in (Canada’s) north.”

Next steps for the airport authority include grooving the airport’s longest runway next summer after the asphalt has cured.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/4903778-ottawa-airport-reopens-largest-runway/
     
     
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Out of curiousity, how do they go about resurfacing the intersection of the two runways?
     
     
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For the non plane-spotters... is this an unusual event?
Not hugely. Last May, Air Canada used the A330 on YOW-FRA for the month.

In this instance, there is a bit of irony as Air Canada will cease flying YOW-FRA for the winter months. Air Canada typically flies the B767 on this route (typical as well for YOW-LHR)

A330 Seats 228 economy, 37 business class
B767 Seats 187 economy, 24 business class

Air Canada flies only 8 A330's.
     
     
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Not hugely. Last May, Air Canada used the A330 on YOW-FRA for the month.

In this instance, there is a bit of irony as Air Canada will cease flying YOW-FRA for the winter months. Air Canada typically flies the B767 on this route (typical as well for YOW-LHR)

A330 Seats 228 economy, 37 business class
B767 Seats 187 economy, 24 business class

Air Canada flies only 8 A330's.
Even if YOW-FRA is full most of the time, I guess the metal makes more money on winter sun routes.
     
     
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Even if YOW-FRA is full most of the time, I guess the metal makes more money on winter sun routes.
Or they need to feed to Toronto to Europe routes to keep those full. Personally I will be using KLM from Montreal to AMS next month instead of Air Canada/ Star Alliance via FRA?
     
     
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Even if YOW-FRA is full most of the time, I guess the metal makes more money on winter sun routes.
To a certain degree and at what cost?

Some people have stated they will book with other airlines rather than be forced through YYZ.

Air Canada is in transition with their wide-bodied fleet. Some B767's are heading over to Rouge. B787's that had been planned to already be in the fleet are still on the order books. That's not a fault of Air Canada.

I can appreciate they will put their aircraft on the routes they think will generate the most revenue. But is it short-term gain only?

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Out of curiousity, how do they go about resurfacing the intersection of the two runways?
It takes a week to do as they do it in sections. The airport closes at approximately midnight so they can dig-up and pave a 1/5th section of the crossing and have the runway back open by 5:30am. The airport coordinates the closure with all of the airlines that would usually land after midnight so they can have their flights for the repaving week scheduled to land prior to midnight.
     
     
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Ottawa airport sued over damage to planes that ran off runways

Andrew Seymour, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: October 9, 2014, Last Updated: October 9, 2014 6:31 PM EDT



This United Express Embraer 145 slid off the side of runway 14/32 in the September 2011. Its landing gear
collapsed and it suffered damage to a wing causing a fuel leak.


A pair of incidents where United Express flights left wet runways at Ottawa’s main airport caused more than $10 million in damage to the two planes, according to the airline, which is suing the federal government, Ottawa International Airport Authority and air traffic controllers in an effort to recoup their losses.

Trans States Airlines and its insurance company have filed separate lawsuits alleging Transport Canada, the airport and Nav Canada were negligent in a June 2010 runway overrun and a September 2011 incident where a plane skidded off the side of a runway.

In the lawsuits, the airline alleges the runways didn’t meet Canadian and international standards because they failed to provide good friction when wet. They also allege that their pilots received inadequate warnings about the weather conditions and state of the runways.

Both lawsuits were filed before the Transportation Safety Board released findings that suggested pilot error and weather were a factor in both incidents.

None of the allegations has been proven in court.

The Attorney General of Canada, Ottawa International Airport Authority and Nav Canada all deny the allegations by Trans States Airlines, instead alleging in court documents that the pilots and airline were to blame and that the airport met the recommended standards.

According to the Trans States lawsuit, the Embraer 145 jet en route from Washington, D.C., on June 16, 2010, needed slightly more than $5.4 million in repairs after its landing gear collapsed when it left the end of runway 07/25.

The exact amount of damage to the Embraer 145 jet in the September 2011 incident wasn’t specified, although that plane’s landing gear collapsed and it suffered damage to a wing causing a fuel leak after leaving runway 14/32. Trans States Airlines and its insurer allege $6.5 million in damages for repairs to the airplane and other costs. It was the third time a Trans States Airlines Embraer 145 had left an Ottawa runway — another jet had overrun a runway in 2004.

The first lawsuit was filed in 2012; the second in 2013. They have been slowly winding their way through the courts, with a judge recently rejecting a bid by the Attorney General to quash portions of the 2012 lawsuit. In that lawsuit, the airline alleges friction tests on a wet runway were below minimum standards and no corrective maintenance was scheduled. The Ottawa International Airport Authority denies the allegation.

In a report released in March, the Transportation Safety Board found that the speed of the jet in the September 2011 incident exceeded the airline’s approach criteria. The flight crew didn’t follow procedure by doing a go-around and increased engine power just prior to landing in the heavy rain. The TSB found that the plane went out of control and left the runway after hydroplaning as a result of the higher landing speed, soft landing on underinflated tires, and use of the emergency/parking brake, which disabled the anti-skid system and prolonged the skid.

The TSB also found speed was a factor in the June 2010 incident. According to the TSB, the pilots calculated an inaccurate target approach speed and the plane crossed the threshold of the runway at an airspeed of 139 knots, or eight knots faster than that calculated for the landing weight of the aircraft.

The TSB also noted that Trans States Airlines didn’t provide its pilots with information or adequate training about landing on ungrooved runways in Canada. Grooved runways help to reduce hydroplaning and remove standing water. There are no requirements that runways be grooved in Canada, although grooved runways are common in the United States.

In the meantime, Ottawa’s airport has undergone major upgrades. Runway 07/25 has since been grooved, and runway 14/32 will be grooved next year once new asphalt applied this summer has properly cured. Ottawa is the only major airport in the country to have grooved runways.

Drainage on the runways has also been improved, and both runways now have Runway End Safety Areas that meet the standards set out by the International Civil Aviation Organization and the United States Federal Aviation Authority for runway safety.

Those upgrades were planned long in advance of the June 2010 incident, airport spokeswoman Krista Kealey said.

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Old Posted Oct 10, 2014, 12:14 AM
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Passengers into Ottawa airport to be screened for Ebola

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Published on: October 9, 2014, Last Updated: October 9, 2014 6:05 PM EDT


Ottawa will be one of six Canadian airports where arriving passengers will be screened for the Ebola virus, the federal government announced Thursday.

Airports in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Halifax and Calgary are the others.

Canada Public Health Agency chief Dr. Gregory Taylor said that under the Quarantine Act, travellers to Canada who are unwell are supposed to declare that fact when they arrive in this country.

They should also declare if they’ve been in contact with a sick person. Anyone who is ill or reports having had contact with a sick person will be referred to a quarantine officer.

“Quarantine officers have the necessary training and equipment, including temperature monitoring devices, to conduct a health assessment and determine whether additional health measures are required,” he said in the statement.

“Should these travellers identify themselves in this manner, a temperature check will now be administered.”

As well, Taylor said the Public Health Agency will be increasing the number of staff at Canadian airports to help with the screening of travellers from Ebola-affected regions.

Border agency officers at crossings that do not have a quarantine officer can connect via technology with one around the clock, added the agency.

Federal Heath Minister Rona Ambrose told MPs Wednesday that the government will also be taking “targeted temperature screens” but did not say what that entailed or whether it would be at airports alone or all border crossings.

There are no direct flights into Canada from Ebola-affected West African countries.

The United States has also implemented similar screenings at five major airports: New York’s JFK International Airport, Washington-Dulles, Newark, New Jersey, Chicago-O’Hare and Hartsfield-Jackson in Atlanta, Georgia

Those airports are the destinations for 94 per cent of all U.S.-bound flights from the Ebola-affected countries.

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Ottawa airport sued over damage to planes that ran off runways
While I don't have comprehensive statistics, this seems to be a relatively common occurrence here. Not sure of the basic issue, but certainly has something to do with YOW becoming the first (southern) Canadian airport to grove the runways.

I was on this flight in 2004: http://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-reports/aviation/2004/a04o0188/a04o0188.asp

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The US Airways Express (Trans States Airlines) Embraer 145LR aircraft (Flight LOF3504, registration N829HK, serial number 145281) departed Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on a flight to Ottawa/Macdonald Cartier International Airport, Ontario, with two flight crew, one flight attendant, and 28 passengers on board. At 1720 eastern daylight time the aircraft landed on Runway 25 at Ottawa and overran the runway, coming to rest approximately 300 feet off the end of the runway in a grass field. There were no injuries. The aircraft sustained minor damage to the inboard left main landing gear tire. When the aircraft landed there were light rain showers. After the rain subsided, the passengers were deplaned and bussed to the terminal.
Runway 25 is the one where the landing approach is from the east.. so basically driving straight west on the runway... I had a window and remember blasting across the intersections of the runways thinking... uh... this is not good.

In the end the worst part was sitting on the plane for 1 1/2 hours waiting for an OCTranspo bus to show up to haul us to the terminal
     
     
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