YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[Hot Rod]

this might have some interest for YVR particularly with regard to potential for long-term Qantas operation:-

US denies American-Qantas alliance expansion.

[mezzanine]

Originally Posted by Hot Rod

this might have some interest for YVR particularly with regard to potential for long-term Qantas operation:-

US denies American-Qantas alliance expansion.

or for a potential for YVR-MEL on AC

With this increase in capacity, I'm really cheesed that AC and the Trudeau government are not willing to re-negotiate bilaterals with the UAE or Turkey and that Vancouver still doesn't have a direct flight to a Gulf destination or Istanbul, which is a few hours' flight time to most of the world's population. This is even considering:
The return of nonstop YVR-DEL
The state fuel subsidies that the ME3 get
The lack of O/D (or even business travel) traffic between Vancouver and the UAE--in aviation terms, Vancouver is the northern hemisphere's New Zealand; far away from everywhere else. At least SEA-DXB is justified because the flights ship cargo parts for a Boeing fleet based at Dubai International Airport.
How the ME3 massacred QF's longhaul market share
The political unrest in Turkey making a YVR-IST flight more of a can of worms
The AC/AS codeshare for YVR-SEA-DXB routings

I dunno. Look what YVR has versus SEA, from LeftCoast`s charts:


YVR:


SEA:


IMO Emirates is hoovering any current possibility for more direct transcontinental flights from SEA, especially with their 2 flights per day. If they were at YVR, it would hamper AC`s recent ability to build a hub at YVR which IMO is better for us and the local economy.

I`d be open to flights to IST on TK with cooperation with AC, but I see no will to move on it with the current situation in Turkey.

[Gordon]

I think YvR is better off with out Emirates because it has allowed AC to build its hub and the airport to attract a wide variety of carriers and move towards becoming a connecting hub.

[CareerShow]

Effective 29 October 2017 China airlines is beginning 5 weekly a359 XWB service. Nice to see another airline add the a350 to YVR.

[excel]

^Awesome.

[sacrifice333]

Originally Posted by CareerShow

Effective 29 October 2017 China airlines is beginning 5 weekly a359 XWB service. Nice to see another airline add the a350 to YVR.

Awesome! Apologies... I missed the other A350 airline/route though???

[POCO]

Originally Posted by sacrifice333

Awesome! Apologies... I missed the other A350 airline/route though???

I think CX starts flying one around March.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by Alpine

I just found out that AC56/57 (YYZ-DXB) has been upgauged from a 789 to a 77W through the end of February 2017.

With this increase in capacity, I'm really cheesed that AC and the Trudeau government are not willing to re-negotiate bilaterals with the UAE or Turkey and that Vancouver still doesn't have a direct flight to a Gulf destination or Istanbul, which is a few hours' flight time to most of the world's population. This is even considering:

I believe Emirates was offered slots into Vancouver, but they wanted unrestricted Canada slots... which translated means they wanted daily service out of YYZ.

If the bilaterals were renegotiated, you can bet that YVR would NOT be getting much Emirates love.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I believe Emirates was offered slots into Vancouver, but they wanted unrestricted Canada slots... which translated means they wanted daily service out of YYZ.

If the bilaterals were renegotiated, you can bet that YVR would NOT be getting much Emirates love.

Would QR, say 3x per week from YVR would be doable. Probably not, but with with EK great white sharks, and IST nixed due to political turmoil, I though moderate Qatar service might be OK.
As things stand, we'll be left with "The Big 4," LHR, AMS, FRA, and CDG. That's OK, but developing our European ME system a bit would be even better, IMO

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Would QR, say 3x per week from YVR would be doable. Probably not, but with with EK great white sharks, and IST nixed due to political turmoil, I though moderate Qatar service might be OK.
As things stand, we'll be left with "The Big 4," LHR, AMS, FRA, and CDG. That's OK, but developing our European ME system a bit would be even better, IMO

Sounds like TAP Air Portugal is looking at going to Toronto and possibly Montreal. That would make a great airline into Vancouver. They offer some interesting connections into North Africa and southern Europe from Lisbon. However its probably unlikely.

Even more unlikely would be to attract them to Vancouver as a stop over between Lisbon and Macao. The operate the Lisbon to Macca flight for a very short time many many years ago, however it flew the other direction over Russia.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

Sounds like TAP Air Portugal is looking at going to Toronto and possibly Montreal. That would make a great airline into Vancouver. They offer some interesting connections into North Africa and southern Europe from Lisbon. However its probably unlikely.

Even more unlikely would be to attract them to Vancouver as a stop over between Lisbon and Macao. The operate the Lisbon to Macca flight for a very short time many many years ago, however it flew the other direction over Russia.

Agreed that TAP Air Portugal might make a great airline into Vancouver, but I doubt they'll ever be granted landing rights here, so you might as well forget it.
Sorry. I think we're stuck with what we have as Trans-Atlantic for another decade

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Agreed that TAP Air Portugal might make a great airline into Vancouver, but I doubt they'll ever be granted landing rights here, so you might as well forget it.
Sorry. I think we're stuck with what we have as Trans-Atlantic for another decade

I agree it is very unlikely we are even on their radar screen. They would be a great addition.

[jlousa]

As much as it would be nice for me to have TAP here, it isn't any agreement keeping them out, it's simply supply and demand. There is not the demand to warrant it unfortunately.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Would QR, say 3x per week from YVR would be doable. Probably not, but with with EK great white sharks, and IST nixed due to political turmoil, I though moderate Qatar service might be OK.
As things stand, we'll be left with "The Big 4," LHR, AMS, FRA, and CDG. That's OK, but developing our European ME system a bit would be even better, IMO

MAD might be a good candidate for addition to the list if euro hubs.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Cage

MAD might be a good candidate for addition to the list if euro hubs.

I've sometimes wondered about Madrid, too. But as jlousa said, there just wouldn't be the market. Vancouver is only 2.5million metro, and we're lucky to have what we have in Europe.
Still, given that we have so many Asian destinations, plus BNE, SYD, AKL, and others like SIN coming down the pipe, I am sure MAD would be feasible. But AC would never do it.
It would have to be up to IBERIA, and I wonder if they think YVR would provide enough J class. Maybe the route development people at YVR could negotiate it. They got us Air France.

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

I've sometimes wondered about Madrid, too. But as jlousa said, there just wouldn't be the market. Vancouver is only 2.5million metro, and we're lucky to have what we have in Europe.
Still, given that we have so many Asian destinations, plus BNE, SYD, AKL, and others like SIN coming down the pipe, I am sure MAD would be feasible. But AC would never do it.
It would have to be up to IBERIA, and I wonder if they think YVR would provide enough J class. Maybe the route development people at YVR could negotiate it. They got us Air France.

IBERIA and BA are basically one company. While Air France and KLM are one company. If BA is sending the A380 and they think they could carry more traffic to-from Vancouver they have two choices either add another flight (using a rare slot at Heathrow) or talk nicely to their sister company in MAD.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

IBERIA and BA are basically one company. While Air France and KLM are one company. If BA is sending the A380 and they think they could carry more traffic to-from Vancouver they have two choices either add another flight (using a rare slot at Heathrow) or talk nicely to their sister company in MAD.

That ... would be cool! Especially if they went Madrid year-round, even on an A332

[flipv]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

That ... would be cool! Especially if they went Madrid year-round, even on an A332

Highly, highly unlikely. If BA needed more YVR capacity and had no appropriate LHR slot, they'd likely engage EI. Not IB which is a significant backtrack to MAD in terms of distance flown in total.

IB had YYZ/YUL plans as of two years ago. That has been shelved. YYZ-MAD is now daily year-round on AC 789/8 and that handles the demand well. Not that long ago this route was seasonal on an AC 763.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by flipv

Highly, highly unlikely. If BA needed more YVR capacity and had no appropriate LHR slot, they'd likely engage EI. Not IB which is a significant backtrack to MAD in terms of distance flown in total.

IB had YYZ/YUL plans as of two years ago. That has been shelved. YYZ-MAD is now daily year-round on AC 789/8 and that handles the demand well. Not that long ago this route was seasonal on an AC 763.

I see. pfffffffffffft. Another dream turned to dust. I think Vancouver (not counting summer seasonal) will have to make do with the "Big 4" for a long time to come, when going Transatlantic.

[Canadian74]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I believe Emirates was offered slots into Vancouver, but they wanted unrestricted Canada slots... which translated means they wanted daily service out of YYZ.

If the bilaterals were renegotiated, you can bet that YVR would NOT be getting much Emirates love.

They were only offered 1 or 2 weekly additional flights (not sure if YVR or YYZ), which is not very viable, especially since it has to be divided between Emirates and Etihad. There might have been a seat cap also

Imagine 1 weekly YVR-DXB