Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Atlas]

For what its worth, it seems that the Sundial design has been received rather positively by non-SLC SSP users.

I don't hate it but I also don't get why they wouldn't design a slimmer/taller, more attractive tower with the same floor space. Like Makid said, they will have to go through design review regardless because its clearly taller than 100 ft. Maybe prospective tenants want larger floor plates?

Someone pointed out on Reddit that the Sundial project is on SL County land. Does that mean there is/was a public RFP process?

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Atlas

For what its worth, it seems that the Sundial design has been received rather positively by non-SLC SSP users.

I don't hate it but I also don't get why they wouldn't design a slimmer/taller, more attractive tower with the same floor space. Like Makid said, they will have to go through design review regardless because its clearly taller than 100 ft. Maybe prospective tenants want larger floor plates?

Someone pointed out on Reddit that the Sundial project is on SL County land. Does that mean there is/was a public RFP process?

Like I said before, the rendering is amazing. But, it doesn't really show it's fat side.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Thanks for the massings, Orlando, although after staring at the rendering I think your model of the Sundial isn't quite right (particularly in the second view). I do agree that it's a wall of a building but I think I'll hold any further judgement until I see more angles/elevations.

Atlas, the chamfers on my massing model are pretty close to what is shown in the rendering, and the height is modeled to be about 320'. The only question is the northeast corner in my second image.

[airhero]

It's a lovely design. I wonder how much it affects the cost to just take a chunk off the width and add it to the height (probably more than I think). This building will be about 100 feet shorter than the Wells Fargo Building but about the same width (a little over 300 feet). To compare, the wide side of 111, which I'd consider is approaching good proportions for a tower, is 150 feet. If the width of Sundial was decreased by 1/3 and that volume was added to the top it would be around 500 feet. Still 200 feet wide. 200 ft width for a 500 feet building is probably acceptable, especially with the mitigating factor of the angled corners in the design.

If the width of 95 State were decreased from 250+ feet to 200 feet it would be 450-500 feet. If the CCH width were reduced from 330 feet to 250, it would be about 450 feet tall, though convention center hotels are typically very wide. Even Portland's CCH is over 400 feet wide. So I don't think there is room to complain there.

With demand for multiple buildings big enough to be taller than our tallest, but translating into width not height, and with our big blocks, seems like some width limits would be a good idea.

Overall, not complaining, it's a nice looking building, but I'm all for some width restrictions.

[delts145]

Edison House Social Club Breaks Ground Downtown

https://www.buildingsaltlake.com/slc...round-downtown

Edison House social club is breaking ground at 335 South 200 West - just around the corner from Valter's Osteria and Squatter’s Brewpub. Image courtesy Edison House.

[bob rulz]

I give Edison House about a 5-year lifespan. Maybe I'm ignorant of the market, but I don't see how such an exorbitantly expensive club for young rich people will be successful in Salt Lake City.

[Always Sunny in SLC]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

I give Edison House about a 5-year lifespan. Maybe I'm ignorant of the market, but I don't see how such an exorbitantly expensive club for young rich people will be successful in Salt Lake City.

I think you are missing it. Since this is a gym, bar, club, pool, lounge, "lifestyle center" and dating/hook up establishment, $125-$200 is not expensive at all. People pay that already for a gym membership and then you add all the other things. This will be very successful. I would expect that price to rise over time because they need to balance exclusivity with having enough people to create a critical mass which gives the memberships value.

[bob rulz]

If it's still there and appears successful in 5 years, I will eat my words and gladly admit being wrong. Until then, I'll retain my skepticism.

[ThePusherMan]

They have a waitlist over 1,000 people long so I think they will be okay. I don’t personally see the value but if I was a single twenty something with a six figure salary from my tech sector employer I would probably be all about it.

[i2theSKY]

Originally Posted by Orlando

Unfortunately, SLC has not yet been sophisticated enough to deal with massing width limits on its large blocks. And, unfortunately, the developer prioritized maxing out its site limits without regard to aesthetics of good proportions of a building. I'm assuming that the architect did those chamfers, etc to dissipate the effect of this very boxy and wide building.

Don't be fooled by that angle of the rendered view or by the rendering itself. That is shown that way to negate its worst side of the building.

In Seattle, the city requires to go through early design guidance to discuss basic massing and proportions prior to further refinement and articulation. This kind of massing would have had a chance to be reviewed by the city and public before this stage of design. I hope the city and/ or public will have an opportunity to get the developer to slim that building down.

I'm going to check with the city on this and if they are concerned about this.

I like the work of Pickard Chilton, but this is awful.

I used to post on this forum on occasion a few years ago but lost my account info. Since I check out this site on a regular basis I decided it was time to create another account and join the discussion from time to time.

Like many of you I'm always excited to see new towers announced. That said I have to admit I was a little disappointed when I looked at the Sundial rendering. I was particularly excited to see this one since it was mentioned several times that it would introduce a new style for Salt Lake with interesting shapes and angles. It didn't disappoint in that regard but it did disappoint in proportions. This would have looked so good if taller and slimmer. I completely agree Salt Lake needs to implement width limits. If finished with charcoal tinted windows and black framing it might still end up looking pretty cool while effectively hiding some of it's mass. I was really hoping for something more like this tower render from a few months ago. https://i.imgur.com/nrx1ucrh.jpg (apparently I forgot how to repost images, how do you repost an image already on this forum?)

[ctobsl]

i2theSKY
I was really hoping for something more like this tower render from a few months agohttps://i.imgur.com/nrx1ucrh.jpg (apparently I forgot how to repost images, how do you repost an image already on this forum?)

[i2theSKY]

Thanks ctobsl!

[ctobsl]

Originally Posted by i2theSKY

Thanks ctobsl!

You are welcome!

I also thought it was going to look something like the photo you posted.
Hopefully somehow it can be changed a little?

There is a video of this tower posted somewhere, but I can't find it to repost it.

[Atlas]

Yeah, I like that design a lot. Here's hoping whoever bought that parcel is interested in building something like it.

Interestingly, the base of that tower is probably pretty close to the same size as the Sundial site (might be a bit larger). Even at 22-stories, an office tower with that design would probably be pushing 400 feet if you count the spire. If they still wanted 425k square feet they would probably have to make it 1.5x taller (which would make for a very attractive new tallest ).

[i2theSKY]

Originally Posted by ctobsl

You are welcome!

I also thought it was going to look something like the photo you posted.
Hopefully somehow it can be changed a little?

There is a video of this tower posted somewhere, but I can't find it to repost it.

The pictures and video are on page 484 near the bottom of the page.

Originally Posted by Atlas

Yeah, I like that design a lot. Here's hoping whoever bought that parcel is interested in building something like it.

Interestingly, the base of that tower is probably pretty close to the same size as the Sundial site (might be a bit larger). Even at 22-stories, an office tower with that design would probably be pushing 400 feet if you count the spire. If they still wanted 425k square feet they would probably have to make it 1.5x taller (which would make for a very attractive new tallest ).

I think we would all welcome a very attractive new tallest! Not sure how Astra / Kensington would feel about losing their title so quickly but I wouldn't mind a bit.

[Utah_Dave]

Originally Posted by TMoneySLC

With the lot shaped the way it is, what else could you expect? To a large extent, the shape of the plot dictates what the design will look like. Square lots get square buildings, rectangular lots get rectangular buildings (111 and 95 S as prime examples).

I was expecting a new signature tower with a 10/1 height to width ration, wonderful architecture that the rest of the world would envy, a free roof top observation level and a restaurant. Also a nice crown with a 150” spire that would be lighted the colors for Utes and Jazz home games or otherwise lighted for the weather forecast. Maybe throw in a cantilever platform while they are at it. I feel like I’m forgetting something though...

[Gastroc]

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

I updated the tower collage to include the Sundial Tower.

Includes: 95 State, Hyatt Regency, Liberty Sky, Astra Tower, 370 South West Temple, Worthington Tower, Main Street Apartments, Sundial Tower, West Quarter Phase II, Regent Street Hotel, and The Cascade.





Full Images

Is there a way to get all of these proposals under the Salt Lake City "diagrams" link? We don't even have Liberty Sky on there. Other cities seem to have all of their under construction and proposed buildings on the "diagrams" link and it's awesome to look at all of the renderings with their heights, usage, etc. This website definitely needs an update of some kind!

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Gastroc

Is there a way to get all of these proposals under the Salt Lake City "diagrams" link? We don't even have Liberty Sky on there. Other cities seem to have all of their under construction and proposed buildings on the "diagrams" link and it's awesome to look at all of the renderings with their heights, usage, etc. This website definitely needs an update of some kind!

We've requested quite a few, but barely get any responses. The renderers are usually busy doing all the supertall highrises going on in China, etc.

[mattreedah]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

I was expecting a new signature tower with a 10/1 height to width ration, wonderful architecture that the rest of the world would envy, a free roof top observation level and a restaurant. Also a nice crown with a 150” spire that would be lighted the colors for Utes and Jazz home games or otherwise lighted for the weather forecast. Maybe throw in a cantilever platform while they are at it. I feel like I’m forgetting something though...

Ground floor retail.

[msbutah]

The Alta Club is basically the old, stogy version of the Edison Club, and has been around since 1883. Rich people like exclusive clubs to network and be around other rich people. I suspect it'll do just fine.