Stadiums and Arenas of Canada part 2

[craner]

Great news about the Argos ownership & move to BMO.
I too am interested to see the football layout at BMO. I'm hoping for a centered field with artificial turf endzones so the stands/terrace can be extracted/retracted over.

[nas1787]

An interesting idea for solving the state of the pitch issues at BMO (from an Argos fan)

http://argosadmirals.com/2015/03/24/the-torotno-argonauts-have-no-place-on-the-pitch/

I can't imagine that this hasn't at least crossed the minds of MLSE big wigs yet?

[osmo]

Originally Posted by nas1787

An interesting idea for solving the state of the pitch issues at BMO (from an Argos fan)

http://argosadmirals.com/2015/03/24/the-torotno-argonauts-have-no-place-on-the-pitch/

I can't imagine that this hasn't at least crossed the minds of MLSE big wigs yet?

Its a good idea but the typical Canadian cheap mentality won't look at it as a option. They will moan at the cost of 300K for a new synthetic field and the added costs of speedy turn around with labour. The goal was to the Argos thing for as cheap as possible to maximize the rent payments they would receive.

To make it even easier (if you want to spend the money) you do what the Soparro Dome does and have a retractable grass field that gets rolled out of the stadium when not in use with turf inside for other events (in their case baseball).

I know they are cheap because when Tim Lieweike talked about the heating system in one of the articles he talked about some roll out system when majority of modern facilities install heating systems under the fields. Green Bay has had a heating system under its field since 1967, I don't think any NFL Stadium in a colder climate does not have this installed and many baseball fields have it installed also. But Tim wants to roll out heat lamps...

[Prometheus]

MLSE has released an official rendering of the new seating they will be installing at BMO Field in time for the start of the 2016 CFL season.

TFC fans say they don't like it.


https://twitter.com/norm/status/600829648952532992

[elly63]

Originally Posted by nas1787

An interesting idea for solving the state of the pitch issues at BMO (from an Argos fan) I can't imagine that this hasn't at least crossed the minds of MLSE big wigs yet?

I posted that idea on November 29/2014 and that article is from Mar 2015, that cat steal my idea?

"One thing that hasn't been mentioned is if it was possible to lay a protective barrier then artificial turf over the top of it for football and then remove. Is there something obvious I am missing with that idea?

Would lacking exposure to the sun, for say, 36 hours be harmful to the turf?"


"I don't think costs for whatever becomes of this will be prohibitive, especially to MLSE. I was just spouting an option that doesn't seem to have been explored. I'm trying to come up with a place where it has been tried (artificial turf covering grass) or is it even possible without severe damage.

This should give an idea of the protective covering, then instead of dirt for monster truck, lay down artificial turf, boxes or rolls for the Argos."

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[elly63]

Originally Posted by osmo

Its a good idea but the typical Canadian cheap mentality won't look at it as a option. They will moan at the cost of 300K for a new synthetic field and the added costs of speedy turn around with labour. The goal was to the Argos thing for as cheap as possible to maximize the rent payments they would receive.

To make it even easier (if you want to spend the money) you do what the Soparro Dome does and have a retractable grass field that gets rolled out of the stadium when not in use with turf inside for other events (in their case baseball).

I know they are cheap because when Tim Lieweike talked about the heating system in one of the articles he talked about some roll out system when majority of modern facilities install heating systems under the fields. Green Bay has had a heating system under its field since 1967, I don't think any NFL Stadium in a colder climate does not have this installed and many baseball fields have it installed also. But Tim wants to roll out heat lamps...

I think you've got this all wrong.

My idea of the artificial turf over a barrier over turf would likely be the cheapest option. There is no room for a retractable turf option at BMO and as for "heat lamps" those are growth lamps to provide light and heat.



BMO already has undersoil heating although it may be further augmented with the expansion.

What they are planning on doing is anything but cheap.

[elly63]

Just saw a post from our own Migs at Cabbage Patch Whiners, if he makes it to three posts before being banned I'll be shocked.

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Who cares really?

The deal is done, they can suck it up - let them bitch all they want.


edit:

The #Argos announce a 1:30 pm press conference for their ownership announcement at BMO Field today.

[king10]

Originally Posted by osmo

Its a good idea but the typical Canadian cheap mentality won't look at it as a option. They will moan at the cost of 300K for a new synthetic field and the added costs of speedy turn around with labour. The goal was to the Argos thing for as cheap as possible to maximize the rent payments they would receive.

To make it even easier (if you want to spend the money) you do what the Soparro Dome does and have a retractable grass field that gets rolled out of the stadium when not in use with turf inside for other events (in their case baseball).

I know they are cheap because when Tim Lieweike talked about the heating system in one of the articles he talked about some roll out system when majority of modern facilities install heating systems under the fields. Green Bay has had a heating system under its field since 1967, I don't think any NFL Stadium in a colder climate does not have this installed and many baseball fields have it installed also. But Tim wants to roll out heat lamps...

Woah woah woah woah. This post is so mis informed. Please research before posting.

1. MLSE is NOT cheap. They've spent over $100 million on a stadium they dont even own.
2. they ALREADY have undersoil heating,draingage and irrigation like Lambeau and MLSE spent millions of dollars installing it
3. the roll out heat lamps are multi million dollar equipment used to speed the grass growing process that the biggest stadiums in europe use.
4. the terraplass covering and purchase artificial turf would be the cheaper alternative compared to the undersoil heating they already have and the heating lamps they are looking to purchase

Id like them to explore the terraplas covering as it may be the better option. TFC doesn't have the argos run on their pitch, and the Argos don't have a grass playing field with turf endzones.

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by elly63

Just saw a post from our own Migs at Cabbage Patch Whiners, if he makes it to three posts before being banned I'll be shocked.

And rightfully so, since he's obviously trolling over there with his comments.

[king10]

Originally Posted by Berklon

And rightfully so, since he's obviously trolling over there with his comments.

Anybody who isn't a TFC only fan, or deviates from the opinions of the elite over there at RPB is considered a troll. It's an honor to be labeled a troll by them. It means you can actually think for yourself and have the balls to form your own opinion and not just conform to what the mighty leaders at the RPB want to hear from you.

I like how at the RPB posters are claiming the Argos lost money when they had 30 000 per game, paid zero rent, and hosted the grey cup in the mid 2000s. I doubt theyre privy to the internal financial statements from those years in the mid 2000's. So they're basing their financial analysis on who the heck knows. they

[FrankieFlowerpot]

But they have been losing money for a while - Braley and Cohon have gone on the record as saying so

[king10]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

But they have been losing money for a while - Braley and Cohon have gone on the record as saying so

I know, im talking about before Braley bought the team though, when they had 30 000 per game, free rent and hosted the grey cup from 2007. Grey cup alone would have added massive revenue to the 2007 season.

They could very well have lost money back then too, but I would be a lot more convinced if posters were able to produce the financial statements.

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Only they weren't - the 2007 Grey Cup made a profit - and half of those had to be paid to Braley as he was covering the losses of Cynamon and Soklowski since they bought the team in 2003. And even then Braley gave them half the money to buy the team.

[The_Architect]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

MLSE has released an official rendering of the new seating they will be installing at BMO Field in time for the start of the 2016 CFL season.

TFC fans say they don't like it.

It was dumb that the TFC chose to be red anyway.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by king10

I know, im talking about before Braley bought the team though, when they had 30 000 per game, free rent and hosted the grey cup from 2007. Grey cup alone would have added massive revenue to the 2007 season.

They could very well have lost money back then too, but I would be a lot more convinced if posters were able to produce the financial statements.

I seriously doubt the Argos are a huge basketcase. Until last season, their attendance was consistently in the 20-30K range, and they had two Grey Cups in that timeframe which brought in massive box office receipts as the tickets were priced higher than other recent Grey Cup games. In addition, they benefit from the new TSN deal which basically covers just about the whole team payroll. And yeah, rent was basically free (although they got what they paid for with the lousy dates).

The Argos are probably better off than a good number of sunbelt NHL teams which are almost completely reliant on league revenues.

[Berklon]

Originally Posted by The_Architect

It was dumb that the TFC chose to be red anyway.

Not really. They're trying to differentiate themselves from the other Toronto sports teams.

There's no rule (written or unwritten) that says all the teams in a city must have the same basic colours. Boston, St. Louis, LA, BC/Vancouver, Minnesota, Miami, Edmonton, etc. don't have the same colours across their pro teams.

[TownGuy]

Originally Posted by Berklon

Not really. They're trying to differentiate themselves from the other Toronto sports teams.

There's no rule (written or unwritten) that says all the teams in a city must have the same basic colours. Boston, St. Louis, LA, BC/Vancouver, Minnesota, Miami, Edmonton, etc. don't have the same colours across their pro teams.

True enough. My issue with Toronto teams going red and white is it's their lame attempt at trying to represent Canada. This is specifically true with the Raptors and their awkward looking switch to red and white.

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by TownGuy

True enough. My issue with Toronto teams going red and white is it's their lame attempt at trying to represent Canada. This is specifically true with the Raptors and their awkward looking switch to red and white.

I think You are mistaking lame with genius. Blue jays are branded as Canada's team not just Toronto's. 90% of Canadians who are a fan of baseball or basketball are going to cheer for the raps and jays because they are branded as Canada's teams. Why wouldn't TFC who at the time were the only MLS in Canada attempt to do the same thing?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Berklon

And rightfully so, since he's obviously trolling over there with his comments.

Laying down some home truths actually. He's not the trolling type unlike some others we could mention.