Vancouver Convention Centre Expansion Project | Completed - Page 52

vanman · #**1021** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 12:33 AM**

^Thanks Mr.x for the extensive amount of pics you posted.

Delirium: I saw those same shots on Flickr that 3rd one is kind of hilariuos, the people all look like ants.

metroXpress · #**1022** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 2:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by danby

Amazing shots, this turned out really nice can't wait go take a look at it in person!

You got to

EdinVan · #**1023** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 3:07 AM**

Better enjoy it while you can, because once the big marina, float plane terminal, and numerous ancillary buildings are installed (which, according to the plans I've just looked at on the city website, will be to the north of the convention centre, jutting even further into the harbour), the whole thing will look like nothing more than a big shopping mall with a floating parking lot in front. I don't understand why we always take one step forward and then two steps back in this city. And just when I was so excited about this new project

EdinVan · #**1024** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 3:23 AM**

Page 10 in the following document shows the location for the marina/plane terminal:

http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/...cuments/p5.pdf

The following document is more detailed: http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/plannin...20DE412140.pdf

It's noted that one of the reasons for pushing the marina/terminal ever eastward is because residents in the area feel that the boats and planes are 1.) emitting too much exhaust; 2.) making too much noise; and 3.) obstructing their views of the water.

mr.x · #**1025** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 3:28 AM**

^ that basically massacres the views. What a disappointment, really.

And not only is it just a seaplane terminal, it's an entire marina!

Just look at how clean and dramatic it looks in the picture below, and then just imagine a marine being built in front of it....the marina is going to be as wide (north to south) as the convention centre!

Imagine if there was a marina in front of Hong Kong Convention Centre. The new marina at our new facility will be a massive distraction from the convention centre, taking away from the landmark look and destroying the views from the centre that taxpayers paid for.

SpongeG · #**1026** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 3:38 AM**

its just a marina

I think they had much more life than nothing

jlousa · #**1027** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 3:43 AM**

The marina and seaplane terminal add a lot of foot traffic which will aid the area, the convention centre will look over it as will the upper seawall, so no need to worry about the loss of view.

EdinVan · #**1028** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 3:53 AM**

This isn't pertinent to the marina, but the restaurant that will be operating in the area. I can't believe that one of the concerns expressed by residents in the area was the potential for cooking odours. What planet do the people in Coal Harbour live on?

http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/plannin...tes/oct20.html

EdinVan · #**1029** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 4:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

The marina and seaplane terminal add a lot of foot traffic which will aid the area, the convention centre will look over it as will the upper seawall, so no need to worry about the loss of view.

The objection isn't so much the view per se, but the distraction of a busy marina (which will include several hideous ancillary buildings). It's going to add too much clutter.

As for foot traffic, I'm puzzled. Exactly how many people use float planes and boats? I don't see all that much foot traffic where the boats and planes are currently located. How will moving everything to the north of the convention centre change this?

mr.x · #**1030** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 4:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by jlousa

The marina and seaplane terminal add a lot of foot traffic which will aid the area, the convention centre will look over it as will the upper seawall, so no need to worry about the loss of view.

Yea, as EdinVan said it'll add too much clutter. I faintly remember someone posting a rendering of the marina in front of the centre, I think I criticized it back then for the exact same reasons.

Try imagining if marinas were built in front of HKCEC or even the Sydney Opera House.

jlousa · #**1031** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 4:38 AM**

Maybe we should get rid of the cruiseships at Canada Place, as they take away the view of the building, and Canada Place is supposed to be the iconic one.

Seriously there is no pleasing some people.

Those of use that have seen the plans for the marina and seaplane terminal have no issues with it. There will not be "several hideous ancillary buildings".

mr.x · #**1032** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 4:45 AM**

Well, Canada Place is sort of an exception since it's a cruise ship terminal.....but the convention centre is suppose to be different. I think the marina will be too much of a distraction.

EdinVan · #**1033** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 5:08 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlousa

Maybe we should get rid of the cruiseships at Canada Place, as they take away the view of the building, and Canada Place is supposed to be the iconic one.

Seriously there is no pleasing some people.

Those of use that have seen the plans for the marina and seaplane terminal have no issues with it. There will not be "several hideous ancillary buildings".

1.) The cruisehips at Canada place do not block the views of the building, especially since they are not there permanently.

2.) Canada Place IS supposed to be the iconic building because it has more architectural merit than the mediocre Convention Centre. As someone in a recent Vancouver Sun piece wrote, you won't be seeing the new building on postcards anytime soon.

3.) There will, indeed, be numerous ancillary buildings in the marina to house equipment, offices, etc., and presumably they will be more than a metre or two high.

4.) Nobody is suggesting that we have to please everybody. But it's our guess that more than a minority of people will dislike the addition of the marina.

5.) City Staff and those on the Urban Design Panel do not hold a monopoly on good taste and judgment.

I'm sorry to sound so short and rude, but the area around the Convention Centre and Canada Place is pretty well the last thing that Vancouver, a city which defines itself by its looks, has going for it. Take away the postcard cityscapes and there's not much left to distinguish Vancouver from any other city.

mr.x · #**1034** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 5:16 AM**

^ well said.

SpongeG · #**1035** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 5:17 AM**

a distraction from what?

as for foot traffic - there are float plane groupies who like to hang out for hours and watch them

SpongeG · #**1036** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 5:18 AM**

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2.) Canada Place IS supposed to be the iconic building because it has more architectural merit than the mediocre Convention Centre. As someone in a recent Vancouver Sun piece wrote, you won't be seeing the new building on postcards anytime soon.

thats because most of the post cards on the rack are lucky if they have General Motors place on them yet

seriously - seen some really old postcards out there - shameful really

vansky · #**1037** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 5:38 AM**

stop worrying about the marina, it is only just a small part of the city. There are a lot of vancouver view cones, like east hastings, new westminster, surrey and the fraser river.

mr.x · #**1038** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 5:42 AM**

^ this has nothing to do with view cones, rather the overall look of the convention centre.

vansky · #**1039** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 5:46 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdinVan

1.) The cruisehips at Canada place do not block the views of the building, especially since they are not there permanently.

2.) Canada Place IS supposed to be the iconic building because it has more architectural merit than the mediocre Convention Centre. As someone in a recent Vancouver Sun piece wrote, you won't be seeing the new building on postcards anytime soon.

3.) There will, indeed, be numerous ancillary buildings in the marina to house equipment, offices, etc., and presumably they will be more than a metre or two high.

4.) Nobody is suggesting that we have to please everybody. But it's our guess that more than a minority of people will dislike the addition of the marina.

5.) City Staff and those on the Urban Design Panel do not hold a monopoly on good taste and judgment.

I'm sorry to sound so short and rude, but the area around the Convention Centre and Canada Place is pretty well the last thing that Vancouver, a city which defines itself by its looks, has going for it. Take away the postcard cityscapes and there's not much left to distinguish Vancouver from any other city.

a good waterfront, some fresh sea air, some good looking towers, a bright beautiful day, who cares if there's a convention center?

vansky · #**1040** Posted **Apr 9, 2009, 5:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by mr.x2

^ this has nothing to do with view cones, rather the overall look of the convention centre.

r u gona argue with me every time I make a statement? You dont see my statement is a joke to some parts of this city, rather than on the literal level? All I want to say is that there is not much view cone other than the waterfront in the metro. The convention center is not a landmark, it's a complementary of what already existed. It doesn't make anything more ugly, that's already good enough guys.