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Originally Posted by combusean
Speaking of cross-talk (from the sugg box thread), shouldn't this discussion be moved into Transit and Transportation developments?
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Done and done
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Originally Posted by Vicelord John
medians = soccer mom heaven why don't we just build west bell road what with all the malls and chain restaurants in place of Melrose.
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Huh? You do realize Mill Avenue, the Valleys most urbanly active street has medians full of trees and agave's, right? There is nothing inherently ubran or suburban about medians. Medians planted densely with Sonoran plants will beautify the city, increase the feeling of an 'outdoor room', reduce traffic noise and slightly reduce the heat island (though you'd have to do it much more widely than just on the 7's).
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Originally Posted by andrewkfromaz
Medians also collect cigarette butts, gum, and other trash. As you're taking Greenway east towards Scottsdale make sure and look closely at the median from the 51 through to Tatum Blvd.... It's not attractive. A middle lane might not be more attractive, but it's not all fun and games.
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So we shouldn't have medians because the City sometimes does a crappy job of maintaining them? Drive North on Tatum out to the library there at Tatum and Cave Creek, the sonoran-scaped medians are gorgeous. Id love for us to have more of them all throughout the city.
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Originally Posted by silverbear
Medians, on the other hand, are designed more for the benefit of drivers. The 7s already favor drivers over pedestrians. It's time to restore some balance between the two.
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Why do medians favor drivers over pedestrians? I'd say its jut the opposite. Medians with only occasional left turn lanes means people would be more apt to walk. Medians I would imagine would generally slightly slow down traffic (thus increasing the chance someone would chose to walk), would reduce the opportunity for left turns, perhaps encouraging people to park and walk between destinations, instead of driving everywhere, and they'd cool the area down (slightly) and help create some shade when the trees reached maturation.
I don't dislike your idea, I just can't see the city giving up that many lanes.
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Originally Posted by MattD
![Shrug](images/smilies/shrug.gif) Phoenix Skyscraper Center Median Discussion Group?...oy
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Its really more of a development forum than just being related to skyscrapers only.
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Originally Posted by chriswaz
My suggestion for the 7's:
- Prep it for light rail by putting in an appropriately sized median (or turn lane).
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I'm not sure what you're suggesting here, are you proposing running LRT up and down the 7s? That will never happen, there wouldn't be enough usage with LRT already on Central. The closest we can probably hope for additional LRT lines running North-South would be on 19th ave and 24th St.
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Originally Posted by PhxPavilion
The purpose of the suicide lane was to help traffic flow during rush hour, while I agree on the notion that it should be changed back to a turn lane removing a lane for wider sidewalks is a 180 degree turn that will create more traffic problems than there already are.
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The suicide lanes were also implemented before LRT. Theoretically LRT should help ease traffic (or at least reduce future traffic) in Central Phoenix, so perhaps there would be less need for the 7's to be mini highways. Furthermore, the SR51 and I-17 weren't around when the suicide lanes were put in either.