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Old Posted Feb 27, 2007, 1:05 AM
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I love Chinese food. I'm excited for a China Town in SLC. I think it's about time SLC had a town dedicated to a human group that entertains a subjective belief in its common descent because of similarities of physical type or of customs or because of memories of colonization or migration. I just hope it will be conceptualized as a nice tourist attraction for people.
     
     
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Glad to see something interesting come from the Rocky Point site. I hope this new China town stays tasteful. I've visited a number of newer asian development districts around the country that go way overboard into the realm of tacky with legions of "Fat Buddha" statues lining the storefronts and whatnot.

It'll be awesome if that Asian grocery store turns out to be a 99 Ranch Market, and more boba tea shops!
     
     
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Wow, what a tragedy! I just found out that Salt Lake City already had a China Town prior to the 50's on regent street between the new City Creek Center Development and the Galivan Plaza. It was replaced by the regent street parking garage! Seriously, the more history I learn, the more frustrated I get! This must be another product of racism and the automobile. Again, we've lost another great thing to the suburbs. I do think the new China Town will be a great development, and I'm excited about it. The location makes sense in regards to the demographics of that area, however, it's sad that it will not be located downtown.

Here is a link about Salt Lake City's original China Town
http://www.kued.org/chineseamerican/utah/plumalley.html
     
     
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I thought you all might like to see this beautiful panorama of Salt Lake City taken from the top of the City and County Building in the year 1929. Notice the Hotel Newhouse
     
     
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That is a way cool pic of old downtown salt lake. We still have alot of those old buildings today, but they are kind of hidden with all the new bigger buildings we have. It still drives me nuts that we lost that Hotel on the corner of 400 south and main street. ( forgot what it was called Newgate Hotel? ) And for what?.........A parking lot?
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Seeing that picture, I can see why there is this collective longing on this forum to return to the days of old-time downtowns with walkable shops.

I think the answer is finding a way to attract families to move downtown. The problem is how do you compete with a suburb? What could downtown do to attract them? Obviously the old answers of "quicker commute" and "the neighborhood atmosphere" aren't even close to getting families interested. Heck, I'm single, and I'm not all that thrilled to move to downtown anytime soon. When I have a family, I doubt I'd be any more interested.

So, what can downtowns offer?
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Mixed-use plan approved for west Capitol Hill area

By Doug Smeath
Deseret Morning News
A planned development meant to perk up one of Salt Lake City's oldest neighborhoods is on its way to becoming reality.


Rendering provided by Hally O'Toole Design
A rendering of the proposed five-acre Marmalade development near Capitol Hill.

Howa Capital earlier this month received final approval from the Salt Lake City Council, acting as the Redevelopment Agency board of directors, for Marmalade, a five-acre mixed-use project in the west Capitol Hill neighborhood.
"The important thing for this particular area was we needed something that would provide a residential and commercial anchor to the entire neighborhood," said Councilman Eric Jergensen, whose district includes Capitol Hill. "This project will provide the long-term foundational strength for this whole neighborhood, especially along 3rd West, which has really needed redevelopment for a long, long time."
The Marmalade project will be built on land the RDA bought in the late 1990s along 300 West between 500 North and 600 North. Once the development is finished, it will have three residential buildings with a total of 91 condominiums and townhouses.
It will also be home to a number of retail spots meant to have a neighborhood feel — no big boxes or large retailers, but services such as dry cleaners, small restaurants, coffee shops. Already on board are Tsunami Sushi, Leone's Dry Cleaning, a Barbacoa restaurant, a Spotted Dog Creamery and an Aveda salon.
"It's about the neighborhood," Howa development director Dru Damico said. "We want to build something organic."
Neighbors and developers also hope for a grocery store, although that's proving to be a bit more difficult. The problem is that the site is better-suited to a smaller grocer — "more of a specialty grocer," somewhere around 12,000 square feet, Damico said — but few grocery chains have interest in building stores on that scale.
"We're still actively seeking a grocer," Damico said. "It's not off the table at all ... there have been a couple of groups that have been interested."
Neighbors and city officials see the development as part of a "gentrification" trend that is occurring in the area, Jergensen said.
All the housing in the development will be for sale, rather than for rent, and it will range from one-bedroom, 950-square-foot condos around $284,000 to 2,200-square-foot townhouses as costly as $695,000. A little more than half the housing will be two-bedroom condos, expected to cost between $419,000 and $589,000.
A market analysis Howa commissioned suggested that about 60 percent of the housing should be targeted toward the "creative class" and single professionals. Secondary to that market will be new families and second-home buyers.
"I think it's a good thing," Capitol Hill Community Council chairwoman Polly Hart said. "Upping the income is happening anyway. It's not going to be caused by the Marmalade. Marmalade is just getting on the boat."
Jergensen said that while the housing is pricey, it's more affordable than much of the housing being built in other parts of the city, including downtown.
"There's a lot of gentrification of the neighborhood, and that's exciting to see," he said. "Our hope is that parents will come back into the neighborhood and realize this is a great place to raise kids."
Damico said interest has been high in the housing, with about 50 percent of the first-phase housing already reserved. He expects the residential units will start being sold sometime around April, shortly after a March 28 ground breaking gets the project underway. He said some of the retail on the west side of 300 West could open this fall, with the first residents moving in in spring or summer 2008.
Some area residents have expressed concern in community-council meetings that some of the residential buildings, planned to reach five stories, or about 60 feet in height, will be too tall for the neighborhood. But Hart said that because the development is at the bottom of a steep hill, most neighboring one- and two-story buildings will be above the development.
Marmalade will be built with an eye to environmental sustainability. All buildings — residential, retail and office space — will meet the U.S. Green Building Council's Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design standards. They will include energy-efficient appliances, and recycled materials will be used throughout the development.
More information on the project is available at liveatmarmalade.com.
     
     
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Sugar factory nears life as arts center

By Jared Page
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WEST JORDAN — Dozens of uses for the West Jordan Sugar Factory have been proposed over the past four years, and Nora Duncan has heard them all.


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West Jordan's quest to turn the sugar plant into an arts complex picked up steam when the City Council authorized work toward a historic-register listing.

One vision had one of the two landmark sugar silos being refitted with a propeller under a grated floor, transforming it into a wind tunnel in which thrill-seekers could sky dive.
Another idea called for the silos to be converted into a giant climbing wall. And then there's the pitch to top the silos with a restaurant, creating a unique dining experience with views of the entire Salt Lake Valley.
As chairwoman of the ad hoc West Jordan Sugar Factory Committee, Duncan isn't ready to rule out the latter idea just yet, although it doesn't figure into the current vision for the historic site at approximately 8000 South and Redwood Road.
"We've pursued many ideas, brainstormed, researched, talked to a lot of people," Duncan said. "But we kept coming back to the arts."
West Jordan's longtime quest to transform the sugar-processing plant into an arts complex picked up steam last week when the City Council authorized staff to begin the application process for a listing on the National Register of Historic Places.
Also last week, members of the City Council and resident volunteers on the sugar-factory committee met with a fund-raising consultant to discuss a possible capital campaign for the estimated $10 million to $20 million project.
"We are at a point where realistically we can see something happening at the sugar factory, something that will be of real value to the community and the whole valley," Mayor David Newton said.
The city envisions the site becoming a place where "all aspects of the arts can come together," Newton said.
The proposal that has been in the works since July 2003 includes performance areas for theater, dance and music groups, an art gallery, rooms for arts classes, convention and multipurpose facilities and an outdoor amphitheater.
It also calls for site's history to be highlighted throughout the complex.
"The sugar factory is a big part of West Jordan's history," Newton said.
The West Jordan Sugar Factory processed more than 4 million tons of sugar beets, producing more than 11 million 100-pound bags of sugar during its operation from 1915 to 1966. At the plant's peak in the mid-1950s, it was the largest employer in West Jordan, according to city reports.
"It had a huge impact on West Jordan," Duncan said. "The whole community was involved in the sugar-beet harvest."
Duncan moved to West Jordan in 1965, a year before the plant closed its doors. She still remembers the "sickening sweet smell" that accompanied sugar-beet processing.
"You could smell it all over West Jordan," she said.
Duncan said her interest in the sugar factory was piqued about 10 years ago when she worked as one of the writers of West Jordan's history. When talks of renovating the plant began about four years ago, Duncan made sure city officials knew she wanted to be a part of it.
"I'd see those buildings and wonder, 'What could they be used for?"' she said.
The site began its transition toward an arts center in spring 2004, when the east end of the factory was converted into the 230-seat Sugar Factory Playhouse.
"We were looking for a home," said Newton, a member of the city's arts council for the past 11 years. "We thought, 'Wouldn't it be nice if we could take the sugar factory and make a theater out of it?"'
That action, he said, led to engineering and architectural studies being done on the four buildings at the site. It was determined that all of the buildings could be renovated for reuse, but the silos would need a seismic upgrade. That $2.5 million project is not included in the city's current plans, which instead call for the silos to act as a backdrop to the outdoor amphitheater.
Newton said the next step is to commission a feasibility study to get a better idea about what the various aspects of the project will cost. The study will cost the city about $20,000, officials said.
Getting listed on the National Register of Historic Places will make West Jordan eligible to receive grants to help with rehabilitation of the sugar factory, said Kirk Huffaker, assistant director of the Utah Heritage Foundation, a nonprofit historic-preservation advocacy and education organization.
"The City Council can be commended for finally taking that step to get it on the register," Huffaker said. "I think they recognize that having the honor of being on the National Register can maybe leverage some things for them in the future."
Getting listed on the register is about a nine-month process, he said. When completed, the application is submitted to the Utah State Historical Society's Board of State History. If approved, it will be forwarded to the National Park Service in Washington, D.C., for consideration.
"I think this project will really catch people's imaginations," Huffaker said. "Having the National Register listing heightens that."
     
     
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Sugar factory nears life as arts center

By Jared Page
Deseret Morning News
WEST JORDAN — Dozens of uses for the West Jordan Sugar Factory have been proposed over the past four years, and Nora Duncan has heard them all.


Scott G. Winterton, Deseret Morning News
West Jordan's quest to turn the sugar plant into an arts complex picked up steam when the City Council authorized work toward a historic-register listing.

One vision had one of the two landmark sugar silos being refitted with a propeller under a grated floor, transforming it into a wind tunnel in which thrill-seekers could sky dive.
Another idea called for the silos to be converted into a giant climbing wall. And then there's the pitch to top the silos with a restaurant, creating a unique dining experience with views of the entire Salt Lake Valley.
I guess you'd have to be a "Beet Digger" to want to invest this much money into renovating this building.

As a former "Spud Digger" from Idaho I can't see spending much money to save a spud cellar or processing plant. But if the citizens want to spend their tax money on this, good luck.
     
     
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I too don't think this building is really worth saving. It will cost way too much money just to fix it up.
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I'm thinking these photo's are showing just a small part of the complex, and a very unflattering part at that. Also, all of the cheap aluminum pop-outs and add ons will of course be demolished. Typically these factories in their original state have alot brick detail and charm. Nationally speaking, these type of renovations and transformations have proven very successful and a big plus to their communities.
     
     
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I live just down the road from that sugar factory and I drive by it alot. It's just west of the West Jordan City all building next to the city park. Trust me it's not worth saving.
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Now that I think about it I did like the idea of having a climbing wall inside the factory tower. But a art center? It just doesn't fit.
Still I think it going to cost too much money no matter what they do the building.
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Seeing that picture, I can see why there is this collective longing on this forum to return to the days of old-time downtowns with walkable shops.

I think the answer is finding a way to attract families to move downtown. The problem is how do you compete with a suburb? What could downtown do to attract them? Obviously the old answers of "quicker commute" and "the neighborhood atmosphere" aren't even close to getting families interested. Heck, I'm single, and I'm not all that thrilled to move to downtown anytime soon. When I have a family, I doubt I'd be any more interested.

So, what can downtowns offer?
What can suburbs offer besides lots of driving(pollution), feeling isolated(no public meeting places besides church), and usually very boring housing choices(tract homes built mostly by Ivory Homes)? How do you compete?
for all practical purposes suburbs did not exist anywhere in the world before World War two. Is America really a better place because so many people live on quarter acre lots? A hundred years ago you could leave the city and live in a real RURAL area not a subURBAN wasteland with
fast food and toothpick houses everwhere you look. There used to be two options, rural and urban and it worked just fine. Most people that live in suburban areas that I talk to would rather live in a rural area more. I don't think everyone should live an urban lifestyle, I just think we should leave more space in this country and this state for rural and urban living. I think like most Americans you are just used to the status quo.
Give downtown SLC a try you might actually enjoy being able to walk somewhere for once!
     
     
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Seeing that picture, I can see why there is this collective longing on this forum to return to the days of old-time downtowns with walkable shops.

I think the answer is finding a way to attract families to move downtown. The problem is how do you compete with a suburb? What could downtown do to attract them? Obviously the old answers of "quicker commute" and "the neighborhood atmosphere" aren't even close to getting families interested. Heck, I'm single, and I'm not all that thrilled to move to downtown anytime soon. When I have a family, I doubt I'd be any more interested.

So, what can downtowns offer?
What can suburbs offer besides lots of driving(pollution), feeling isolated(no public meeting places besides church), and usually very boring housing choices(tract homes built mostly by Ivory Homes)? How do you compete?
for all practical purposes suburbs did not exist anywhere in the world before World War two. Is America really a better place because so many people live on quarter acre lots? A hundred years ago you could leave the city and live in a real RURAL area not a subURBAN wasteland with
fast food and toothpick houses everwhere you look. There used to be two options, rural and urban and it worked just fine. Most people that live in suburban areas that I talk to would rather live in a rural area more. I don't think everyone should live an urban lifestyle, I just think we should leave more space in this country and this state for rural and urban living. I think like most Americans you are just used to the status quo.
Give downtown SLC a try you might actually enjoy being able to walk somewhere for once!
     
     
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Now that I think about it I did like the idea of having a climbing wall inside the factory tower. But a art center? It just doesn't fit.
Still I think it going to cost too much money no matter what they do the building.
SLC, you're missing the whole point of this situation. First, the building is very significant as an historical site. Second, as such it is being designated nationally, which will give it options for federal funding. The actual parts of the factory which remain are not too expensive to revitalize for what would typically be their modern use. And of course there will be a lot of new contstruction to blend with the historical. Again, a big part of the project is, "Historical, A need for a cultural center, and FEDERAL FUNDING. This type of conversion, especially with Federal contributions, makes construction more cost efficient than new construction for similar purposes
     
     
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Well if it has FEDERAL FUNDING then I guess it's not too bad then.
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What can suburbs offer besides lots of driving(pollution), feeling isolated(no public meeting places besides church), and usually very boring housing choices(tract homes built mostly by Ivory Homes)? How do you compete?
for all practical purposes suburbs did not exist anywhere in the world before World War two. Is America really a better place because so many people live on quarter acre lots? A hundred years ago you could leave the city and live in a real RURAL area not a subURBAN wasteland with
fast food and toothpick houses everwhere you look. There used to be two options, rural and urban and it worked just fine. Most people that live in suburban areas that I talk to would rather live in a rural area more. I don't think everyone should live an urban lifestyle, I just think we should leave more space in this country and this state for rural and urban living. I think like most Americans you are just used to the status quo.
Give downtown SLC a try you might actually enjoy being able to walk somewhere for once!
Sounds to me like someone needs to quit drinking the urban-planning Kool-Aid. I've lived in cities and in suburbs, and aside from the commute, suburbs are far superior. You can have more room in your house, have your own yard, a garage, you can turn up your stereo without neighbors banging on the wall, it's much cheaper per square foot, etc., etc., etc. I can see how people enjoy living an urban lifestyle but I don't think that should mean that suburbs are not an option.

You mention that prior to WWII, people only lived in cities or in rural areas. The reason people lived in rural areas back then was farming. It was common for people to farm their land and they could make a decent living doing so. Now with all the corporate farms, it's very difficult for a family farmer to make ends meet, which means that rural living is increasingly impossible for all but the independently wealthy. Since most don't have the money to buy 40+ acres and live hours out of the "big city," the next best alternative is to live in the 'burbs and at least have a little land to call your own.
     
     
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Suburbs are a very legitimate place to live. "Most people that live in suburban areas that I talk to would rather live in a rural area more". What the? I have the exact opposite experience.. most people like surburbia because it is close to the action, but one can have a home with a yard.

I can understand the Urban appeal too, but to write off suburbia like that is a little myopic.
     
     
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