Regina Bypass Thread

[Drofmab]

Originally Posted by Stormer

This is about as cheap and unsafe as you can get. There will be many accidents here. Also they will need stop signs for right hand turns, which is a joke.

You mean they might need Yield signs, right? Ring Road southbound exiting onto Arcola has no Yield/Stop - it's a merge lane. Same story with Ring Road Northbound onto Victoria - no Yield/Stop... it's a merge. Winnipeg and McDonald at RR are Yield in all right-hand cases.

There isn't enough detail on the Bypass site for me to determine if there will be merge lanes. Do you have a better schematic/drawing?

(remember - the Stop signs on the south side of Arcola at Ring Road wouldn't be necessary if not for the Bike lane. Granted, given the lack of a merge lane going east on Arcola, there'd definitely be a Yield)

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by Drofmab

You mean they might need Yield signs, right? Ring Road southbound exiting onto Arcola has no Yield/Stop - it's a merge lane. Same story with Ring Road Northbound onto Victoria - no Yield/Stop... it's a merge. Winnipeg and McDonald at RR are Yield in all right-hand cases.

There isn't enough detail on the Bypass site for me to determine if there will be merge lanes. Do you have a better schematic/drawing?

(remember - the Stop signs on the south side of Arcola at Ring Road wouldn't be necessary if not for the Bike lane. Granted, given the lack of a merge lane going east on Arcola, there'd definitely be a Yield)

Those other locations at least have a little bit of a merging lane. The bypass on Arcola has nothing at all and is virtually a 90° turn. Also you're talking about coming off 110 KPH Freeway on to what is basically a highway not a city street.

The render below shows a merging lane which was never built. The green areas are newly constructed embankments. There is no new embankment and there is no room to construct one. I have driven this several times and have noted that there are brand-new light standards and signs that would preclude putting in a merging lane.



You can just barely see the as-built intersection at about 5:52 of this drone video. As you can see it looks nothing like the render.

https://youtu.be/4OJ3c-9W2dY

[Drofmab]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Those other locations at least have a little bit of a merging lane. The bypass on Arcola has nothing at all and is virtually a 90° turn. Also you're talking about coming off 110 KpH Freeway on to what is basically a highway not a city street.

The render below shows a merging lane which was never built. The green areas are newly constructed embankments. There is no new embankment and there is no room to construct one. I have driven this several times and have noted that there are brand-new light standards and signs that would preclude patting a merging lane.



You can just barely see the as-built intersection at about 5:52 of this drone video. As you can see it looks nothing like the render.

https://youtu.be/4OJ3c-9W2dY

Thanks for the (disappointing) info - I haven't been out that way yet, so haven't had a chance to take a first-hand look at it.

[North_Regina_Boy]

One of the reasons that there is no acceleration lane is that they plan to have Tower road rebuilt and have a service road just to the west of the Bypass that will go to the new Aurora development where the new costco is being built.

I expect lights will be installed soon.

However I agree it is a bad design and a diverging diamond should have been built. BUT at least that is an easier upgrade later if they find traffic volumes warrant it...which it likely will. And while they are at it a few other intersections could be upgraded that way.

It is interesting that they have all but one (the SPUI) for service interchanges along the route.

Diamond
Round-a-Bout
Diverging Diamond
Parclo
Ramps exiting only one way

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by North_Regina_Boy

It is interesting that they have all but one (the SPUI) for service interchanges along the route.

Diamond
Round-a-Bout
Diverging Diamond
Parclo
Ramps exiting only one way

We are definitely a test lab!

[pappcam]

Originally Posted by Stormer

We are definitely a test lab!

I'm not sure a 2 billion dollar project should be used as a test lab like this. It sounds as if the Arcola interchange will be a big cluster****.

The Dewdney Ave. interchange is also poorly designed but that may be to lessen traffic entering the city on that road.

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by pappcam

I'm not sure a 2 billion dollar project should be used as a test lab like this. It sounds as if the Arcola interchange will be a big cluster****.

The Dewdney Ave. interchange is also poorly designed but that may be to lessen traffic entering the city on that road.

I would say Dewdney is fine. It at least is capable of adding SB ramps with the space and bridge width at Rotary Ave. Hill Ave interchange will be the primary access for that end of the city. At least as services go for the foreseeable future.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by North_Regina_Boy

I would say Dewdney is fine. It at least is capable of adding SB ramps with the space and bridge width at Rotary Ave. Hill Ave interchange will be the primary access for that end of the city. At least as services go for the foreseeable future.

Every one of the 11 interchanges is different. Here are Hill and Dewdney.



Edit: Actually Hill no longer looks this way.

[Festivus]

They say they will add ramps to these interchanges later on when needed...but just wait until another Home Depot comes along and demands the land instead, like with Vic/Ring Rd. The city will cave.

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Every one of the 11 interchanges is different. Here are Hill and Dewdney.



Edit: Actually Hill no longer looks this way.

Thanks Stormer for using the image I created...back in 2011-12

If you want a good look at what they Bypass actual design is look here.
http://saskbuilds.ca/projects/Regina...20Version).pdf

There are minor discrepancies but for the most part about 97% accurate.

[TannerF]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Every one of the 11 interchanges is different. Here are Hill and Dewdney.



Edit: Actually Hill no longer looks this way.

Pinkie at #1 highway no longer looks like that either.

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by TannerF

Pinkie at #1 highway no longer looks like that either.

Nope not even close!

[BrutallyDishonest2]

Originally Posted by pappcam

I'm not sure a 2 billion dollar project should be used as a test lab like this. It sounds as if the Arcola interchange will be a big cluster****.

The Dewdney Ave. interchange is also poorly designed but that may be to lessen traffic entering the city on that road.

They put the 9th Ave N interchange too close to Pinkie Rd and screwed that up too.

[North_Regina_Boy]

Originally Posted by BrutallyDishonest2

They put the 9th Ave N interchange too close to Pinkie Rd and screwed that up too.

I think pinky road should lose the bridge over the creek and the major arterial to Dewdney within the City should be Courtney. Makes more sense than pinky.

[BrutallyDishonest2]

Originally Posted by North_Regina_Boy

I think pinky road should lose the bridge over the creek and the major arterial to Dewdney within the City should be Courtney. Makes more sense than pinky.

That's what it's going to default to anyway, but it'll be ridiculously expensive since it'll need 3 maybe 4 bridges, whereas Pinkie is 1.

[Stormer]

Many of us have seen the massive girders for the Bypass either rolling down the highway or being craned place. These I-beam girders look like concrete but seem too thin to be concrete. Today on Twitter there was a tweet from the manufacturer. It turns out they are concrete but highly engineered. At this link you'll find their technical brochure.

http://files.armtec.com/Downloads/Ca...-2013-02-E.pdf



https://twitter.com/search?q=armtec&src=typd&lang=en

[BrutallyDishonest2]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Many of us have seen the massive girders for the Bypass either rolling down the highway or being craned place. These I-beam girders look like concrete but seem too thin to be concrete. Today on Twitter there was a tweet from the manufacturer. It turns out they are concrete but highly engineered. At this link you'll find their technical brochure.

http://files.armtec.com/Downloads/Ca...-2013-02-E.pdf



https://twitter.com/search?q=armtec&src=typd&lang=en

I'm sure it's all very engineered, but it just reminds me of all the problems that came up with post-tensioned buildings in the past.

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by BrutallyDishonest2

I'm sure it's all very engineered, but it just reminds me of all the problems that came up with post-tensioned buildings in the past.

The good news is that maintenance is the responsibility of the consortium for at least 30 years.

[Festivus]

Originally Posted by Stormer

The good news is that maintenance is the responsibility of the consortium for at least 30 years.

Just a question, but is it possible for the groups involve to absolve themselves of liability in any way? For example, if new incorporated entities were created to protect the original companies?

[BrutallyDishonest2]

Originally Posted by Festivus

Just a question, but is it possible for the groups involve to absolve themselves of liability in any way? For example, if new incorporated entities were created to protect the original companies?

We've had this discussion before and most people here were convinced the province had covered their bases. I'm much more skeptical as they government sucks at contracts. To answer your question directly, yes entities were created directly for this.

Additionally, literally nothing would protect us if all the represented companies folded. Yes control would revert to the province, but we'd still be holding the bag.