Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW)

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Thanks for the full breakdown for TS as I was only comparing flight frequencies. So with over half the flights on 320s, that’s a modest capacity decrease.

Today’s departure count: 72

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 1

First WS flight of the season to YVR left this morning. The first eastbound arrived last night.

Also AF328/327 on an A332 today. Not sure if a last minute swap or something that has been on the schedule for a while.

Edit: I noticed that the last two days AF has used the high density J config of the 359 after not using it for a while. Maybe lower Y loads this time of year and not enough J pax to justify the 359 today? I believe the A330 and A350 share a common type rating so the same A350 crew could be used if it was a last minute sub.

[Rhb]

Originally posted by RomanR27

Also AF328/327 on an A332 today. Not sure if a last minute swap or something that has been on the schedule for a while.

Edit: I noticed that the last two days AF has used the high density J config of the 359 after not using it for a while. Maybe lower Y loads this time of year and not enough J pax to justify the 359 today? I believe the A330 and A350 share a common type rating so the same A350 crew could be used if it was a last minute sub.[/QUOTE]

Considering AF328/327 equipment was A350 high density all last week. I do think they might be short seats on the return trip. Maybe a larger plane on Thursday or a trip to Yul with some incentives? Possibly passenger volume but that’s a quick drop in traffic.

[DTcrawler]

I was in the west end yesterday and saw an AC B789 climbing, and for some reason decided to peek at it on FR24. To me it appears yesterday's AC342 from YVR executed a go-around. Not too familiar with how often those occur (and if this even qualified as one) but just thought it was interesting and that I'd pass it along.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

Edit: I noticed that the last two days AF has used the high density J config of the 359 after not using it for a while. Maybe lower Y loads this time of year and not enough J pax to justify the 359 today? I believe the A330 and A350 share a common type rating so the same A350 crew could be used if it was a last minute sub.

Based on some reading I did, they aren't considered the same type rating everywhere, namely by the FAA. So I would surmise, based on the amount of flying AF does to the US that they probably internally keep their A330 and A350 crews separate. Similar to Delta keeping their 767-400 pilots exclusive to that frame and not on the other 757 and 767 models.

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by DTcrawler

I was in the west end yesterday and saw an AC B789 climbing, and for some reason decided to peek at it on FR24. To me it appears yesterday's AC342 from YVR executed a go-around. Not too familiar with how often those occur (and if this even qualified as one) but just thought it was interesting and that I'd pass it along.

And today's AC342 and 345 are on AC's Wish livery.

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Based on some reading I did, they aren't considered the same type rating everywhere, namely by the FAA. So I would surmise, based on the amount of flying AF does to the US that they probably internally keep their A330 and A350 crews separate. Similar to Delta keeping their 767-400 pilots exclusive to that frame and not on the other 757 and 767 models.

Interesting - in that case it must have been planned far enough in advance, since other times when a 777 was subbed in last minute, YOW-CDG was delayed until the following morning since presumably the same crew was operating the return flight and needed rest.

Originally Posted by MountainView

And today's AC342 and 345 are on AC's Wish livery.

I hope they didn't wish for an on time arrival - almost five hours of delay. AC344/347 will actually operate before it.

[AuxTown]

Super excited to take Air France to Paris this August!

I genuinely think the airlines have underestimated Ottawa as a market. I think we could sustain at least 3 more international destinations (London + ??). Not only with our new role as a minor hub, but also due to the willingness of people in Ottawa to book travel solely based on the convenience of the flight....myself included

[phil235]

Originally Posted by AuxTown

Super excited to take Air France to Paris this August!

I genuinely think the airlines have underestimated Ottawa as a market. I think we could sustain at least 3 more international destinations (London + ??). Not only with our new role as a minor hub, but also due to the willingness of people in Ottawa to book travel solely based on the convenience of the flight....myself included

I think that’s right. I just booked LA on Porter. Unfortunately I’m too early for the direct flight, but not a chance it was worth driving to Montreal. I found their times better than AC or WS and with the current sale, their premium classes were competitive with basic economy with the other airlines. Easy choice.

[RomanR27]

Huh, I hadn't realized that Porter adjusted the times of the first YOW-YYZ and last YYZ-YOW to allow connections to LAX, SFO and LAS in both directions. I think at one point the only thing possible this summer was YOW-LAX westbound.

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 78

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 0

[phil235]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

Huh, I hadn't realized that Porter adjusted the times of the first YOW-YYZ and last YYZ-YOW to allow connections to LAX, SFO and LAS in both directions. I think at one point the only thing possible this summer was YOW-LAX westbound.

Going down the timing is perfect. Leave here at 7:20 and you are in L.A. by 12:45. Connection in YYZ is just over 2 hours, so pretty much ideal. Coming back is a 1h30 connection, which I would consider tight at Pearson, but if it works out it will be spectacular. And if we don't make it, it shouldn't be a big deal to find seats the next day.

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Today’s departure count: 78

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 0

Second daily YYC on PD begins today. With the inaugural YWG tomorrow, that will round out PD's Western Canada schedule from YOW for this summer.

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 80

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 0

Inaugural YOW-YWG on PD today. Next up YYT on 06JUN24.

[acottawa]

I wonder of the XLR will get Ottawa more routes.

https://milesopedia.com/en/news/airl...321-xlr-order/

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by acottawa

I wonder of the XLR will get Ottawa more routes.

https://milesopedia.com/en/news/airl...321-xlr-order/

Probably LHR and FRA, that's it. Also, it probably won't happen until 2026 or 2027 since I highly doubt they will be using the first few deliveries for YOW. Hoping BA comes in before them and dominates the route.

[RomanR27]

AC beefing up YOW service this winter: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...852536163.html

YOW-YVR has a daily 789 loaded year round, in addition to a 7M8
YOW-YWG goes year round on the CR9
YOW-YYC goes year round loaded on the 7M8 this winter.
YOW-YHZ loaded 3x on DH4s, all operated by PAL.

Sun flying (all Rouge 319s)
YOW-MCO operates days 1257
YOW-FLL days x5
YOW-TPA days 15
YOW-PUJ days 17 in November, days 1237 rest of winter
YOW-CUN days 46 in November, days 2467 rest of winter

From what I can see, looks like two Rouge A319s based here this winter.

They also mention the JV with UA, and each of EWR, ORD and IAD will be 3x daily, in addition to 1x daily on DCA.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

AC beefing up YOW service this winter: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...852536163.html

YOW-YVR has a daily 789 loaded year round, in addition to a 7M8
YOW-YWG goes year round on the CR9
YOW-YYC goes year round loaded on the 7M8 this winter.
YOW-YHZ loaded 3x on DH4s, all operated by PAL.

Sun flying (all Rouge 319s)
YOW-MCO operates days 1235
YOW-FLL days x5
YOW-TPA days 15
YOW-PUJ days 12 in November, days 1234 rest of winter
YOW-CUN days 46 in November, days 2467 rest of winter

From what I can see, looks like two Rouge A319s based here this winter.

They also mention the JV with UA, and each of EWR, ORD and IAD will be 3x daily, in addition to 1x daily on DCA.

So PD won't have carte blanche for expansion for the next few months at YOW. I also see YOW-YYZ increases back to 12x from the current 10x this summer.

Today’s departure count: 81 - so if there's no cancellations this will tie the most since March 2020.

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 0

[c_speed3108]

The full AC news release:

https://media.aircanada.com/2024-05-...vice-to-Ottawa

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

So PD won't have carte blanche for expansion for the next few months at YOW. I also see YOW-YYZ increases back to 12x from the current 10x this summer.

I wonder if this is more in response to Flair's capacity gaps rather than defending territory against Porter.

Looking at the schedule more closely, AC only needs two frames based at YOW Sunday-Tuesday. Wednesday-Saturday can all be operated with just a single frame.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

I wonder if this is more in response to Flair's capacity gaps rather than defending territory against Porter.

Looking at the schedule more closely, AC only needs two frames based at YOW Sunday-Tuesday. Wednesday-Saturday can all be operated with just a single frame.

Good point now that F8 only have CUN remaining this winter. Also with WS cutting MCO & CUN (and MBJ), this partially restores the capacity lost from those cuts. I still expect PD will go double daily to MCO this winter + new stuff - could see something like a 4x/wk TPA, 3x/wk RSW split.

The YHZ increase back to a more sensible 3x daily is a reflection of now having all six PAL DH4s flying for them.