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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 7:42 PM
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Neat. There's also commercial development across Concordia planned. Will fill out that corner.

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This should really spruce up that stretch of Concordia

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 8:27 PM
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Re VIA announcement. For perspective funding for Winnipeg at $25 million was part of a larger $80 million announcement for the four heritage stations VIA operates out of currently. So it is split fairly evenly between those four it would seem. They also specifically called out maintaining historical elements while improving accessibility. I have a feeling a big chunk of the Winnipeg funds are being spent on "general maintenance" of the building and there will not really be any noticeable changes.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 9:24 PM
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Neat. There's also commercial development across Concordia planned. Will fill out that corner.
I live at Concordia Village and can provide updates if there is interest.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 9:54 PM
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Yep there’s always interest around here for someone willing to document construction site progress, thanks in advance. Start your own thread for it.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 10:00 PM
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It was about $15m.

The story's on Reddit and through the grapevine (if you believe them) say different things than the WFP article. It talks alot about the area, the crime, the abundance of security needed to keep the facility secure.
Interestingly Amazon just completed a 6' chain link fence a few months ago on the Burrows side, they fenced the rest of the property when they did the build out. I'm guessing they had all kinds of problems with employee cars etc, with the MB housing across the street
     
     
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Regarding the homeless strategy mentioned above and its partial success I'd like to point out that it took place before this meth crisis took over. I suspect they would not get the same result with what's going on currently.

Yeah I know, this is the construction thread.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 24, 2023, 11:49 PM
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Regarding the homeless strategy mentioned above and its partial success I'd like to point out that it took place before this meth crisis took over. I suspect they would not get the same result with what's going on currently.

Yeah I know, this is the construction thread.
You are correct. Report came out in 2014, Province created the Meth task force in 2016. Probably an even more volatile/unstable situation now.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 1:08 AM
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There are media reports tonight that the 2 year old 211 Stradbrook apartment complex has been deemed uninhabitable due to water damage after the Aug 17 fire, and P3 Reality (Private Pension Partners) is terminating all 146 leases. They are working with 3 other rental companies to try and prioritize leases in their buildings for the impacted tenants.

I wonder if there will be any cash flow problems from this that will cause P3 to scale back the start of the apartments they proposed on the old McNaught car dealer lot by Portage Ave and Furby st?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 2:35 AM
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This could be a big boon to 300 Main Street. Over 100 renters likely looking for similar accommodations (Downtown, new build, close to transit, walkable, etc.). Any updates on how many 300 Main units are left?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 3:00 AM
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There are media reports tonight that the 2 year old 211 Stradbrook apartment complex has been deemed uninhabitable due to water damage after the Aug 17 fire, and P3 Reality (Private Pension Partners) is terminating all 146 leases. They are working with 3 other rental companies to try and prioritize leases in their buildings for the impacted tenants.

I wonder if there will be any cash flow problems from this that will cause P3 to scale back the start of the apartments they proposed on the old McNaught car dealer lot by Portage Ave and Furby st?
I honestly assumed that project was on ice anyway due to interest rates/inflation and until all their other majors get wrapped up (Halo, Zu, etc). This disaster will only delay it even further I imagine.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 4:27 AM
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I honestly assumed that project was on ice anyway due to interest rates/inflation and until all their other majors get wrapped up (Halo, Zu, etc). This disaster will only delay it even further I imagine.
Wouldn't insurance cover repairs and lost rent on the Strabrook building in a way that shouldn't majorly impact cash flow for P3?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 12:11 PM
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You’re askin the wrong guy, I don’t know how that all works on such a big money scale and process.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 2:16 PM
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I assume that the building just needs to be shut down for 6 months-1 year for remediation and what not? It can't be a total writeoff?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 2:22 PM
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I would have to believe that it is just due to water and smoke damage remediation. I can't imagine that the building itself is damaged. They did say the water damage is significant, even to the lower levels.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 2:29 PM
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I have t-shirts in my dresser that I have had for almost 20 years, I wear them regularly and they just last and last.

Then just recently I bought a new t-shirt, and literally the first time I wore it I got not one, but two greasy stains right on it. I had to throw it out.

I guess this is the construction equivalent of that scenario.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 3:42 PM
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Just like the fire in my office last year. Took about 6 months to remediate the smoke and water damage.

The water damage on the lower floor was repaired rather quickly. It was the smoke damaged areas that required a lot more work. Ie: replace absolutely everything that is electronic or somewhat soft. So all furnishings. Repaint everything, cleaning the hard surfaces.

I will say it'll be over a year before that place is fixed up. Not sure what the insurance market is like now, but things were very slow last year. Depending on the damage (which sounds significant) could be a long time before this place is back to 100%.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2023, 7:39 PM
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Ddd

In the fullness on time the project will recover but…

This is about to become what I refer to as the classic “Three D’s”.

Deny

Delay

Deflect


These are common tactics used in insurance litigation. (All litigation actually).

If there is business interruption insurance it should take care of the monthly cash flow.

If they have full replacement cost (and it’s acknowledged) most repairs should be covered.

With that said …

From my experiences …

There will be Delay in moving forward.

There will be Denial of coverage.

There will be Deflection of responsibility…

Settlement happens in mediation prior to a trial.

I hope they find a way to heat the building before winter.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 3:26 PM
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Downtown Winnipeg office towers up for sale
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Posted: 6:00 AM CDT Wednesday, Aug. 30, 2023

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In need of an office tower?

Some of Winnipeg’s most central, near Portage and Main, are up for sale.

There are two buildings off Main Street branded with Bell MTS logos — 23-floor and 13-floor facilities that agents deem the “Bell MTS Portfolio” — going for $33.5 million. Less than 300 metres away is 220 Portage Ave., a 17-storey tower housing the Royal Bank of Canada; it’s listed for $34 million.


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<p>There are two buildings off Main Street branded with Bell MTS logos — 23-floor and 13-floor facilities that agents deem the ‘Bell MTS Portfolio’ — going for $33.5 million.</p>
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There are two buildings off Main Street branded with Bell MTS logos — 23-floor and 13-floor facilities that agents deem the ‘Bell MTS Portfolio’ — going for $33.5 million.

The sales are tactical for Artis REIT, the organization behind the offices.

“The buildings are available for sale through Artis REITs (sic) strategic program for the year,” Matt Odger, an associate vice-president with Colliers who’s selling both listings, wrote in an email.

The real estate investment trust did not respond to interview requests by print deadline. In recent years, Artis REIT has sold much of its physical real estate in North America.

In 2021, the Winnipeg-based business unveiled a business transformation plan focusing on value investing, monetizing part of its portfolio and selling assets, among other things.

Since 2021, the organization has downsized from 53 offices internationally to 41, by June’s count.

Many firms are refiguring their investments, according to Trevor Clay, a commercial real estate expert. Artis REIT’s latest listings come during a time of heightened vacancy, interest and inflation rates.

“We’ve seen, certainly, a pick-up in activity from major investors looking at their portfolios and wanting to figure out what they can do to maximize value,” said Clay, a principal at Capital Commercial Real Estate. “(That means) potentially (moving) on from assets that are not strategic for them long-term.”

Clay isn’t selling Artis REIT’s offices and couldn’t comment on their intentions.

“There’s been a general trend of investors wanting to get away from the office as an investment asset class, from a national perspective,” Clay said.

Downtown Winnipeg’s office vacancy rate sits at 17 per cent. The rise in remote work, and tenants’ downsizing of office space, has led many to question the future of traditional offices, Clay said.

“In our opinion… there’s still going to be a strong demand for office,” he added.

However, there’s a “flight to quality,” and more office space than renters. Nearly 20 per cent of downtown Class C offices — the least updated — are vacant.

One trend: converting cubicles to living rooms. It’s happened at 433 Main St., 175 Carlton St. and 233 Kennedy St.

“We expect to… see interest from experienced developers that may look at converting some of these buildings to multifamily or mixed uses,” Odger wrote of Artis REIT’s sites in his email.

The location, views and “building-specific features make some of these buildings higher quality prospects for converting multifamily in the mid-to-long run,” he noted.

All are near The Forks and connect to Winnipeg Square’s underground network.

Both 220 Portage Ave. and the Bell MTS offices — 333 Main St. and 191 Pioneer Ave. — are LEED platinum designated, an industry stamp of environmental achievement.


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<p>220 Portage Ave., a 17-storey tower housing the Royal Bank of Canada, is listed for $34 million.</p>
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220 Portage Ave., a 17-storey tower housing the Royal Bank of Canada, is listed for $34 million.

Colliers expects to garner interest from a “relatively large” group of investors, Odger wrote. Bell MTS has occupied the Main Street block for more than 15 years, as has RBC at 220 Portage Ave.

“The tenants would not be materially affected by the sale,” Odger wrote. “Their lease agreements would transfer to the next owner upon a successful sale agreement.”

Paterson Global Foods and Marwest Management Canada are among the other tenants in the buildings.

“Both of these portfolios offer a premium projected yield compared to typical Winnipeg investments should the key tenants choose to renew,” Odger said.

The current economic environment has spurred investors to different actions, Clay noted. For some, interest rate hikes have been “an opportunity to take advantage of a bit more of a buyer’s market.”

His firm recently conditionally sold Wawanesa Insurance’s Main Street building, he said, declining to give details. Wawanesa is building a high-rise in True North Square.

“(Some) properties are being sold at well-below replacement cost,” Clay said. “As long as you have a plan and you know what you’re going to do with these buildings post-acquisition, there’s going to be some pretty amazing investment opportunities.”

For other investors, higher interest rates — and inflation — have led to a redistribution of assets. Mortgage payments can skyrocket once old contracts expire, and it takes more cash for new purchases, Clay explained.

“We’ve seen investors and banks taking a much harder look at long-term cash flow projections,” he said.

Offices accounted for 46.3 per cent of Artis REIT’s net operating income last quarter; its portfolio value was $1.5 million.

Its offices are 86.7 per cent leased, according to second quarter data, and its net operating income has been gradually increasing over the past year.

Both Artis REIT listings include the buildings’ parking lots.

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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 3:35 PM
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I don't know much about the background of 333 Main but I always found it kind of fascinating. As far as I can tell, it replaced the NewPort Building a few blocks away on Portage as Bank of Montreal's main office building in Winnipeg, but the bank's commitment to Winnipeg was pretty half-hearted... 333 Main opened in the early 80s but by the late 90s the tower was nearly empty, which is about the time MTS bought it and they moved in during the early 2000s.

It's too bad BMO couldn't be bothered to maintain their presence in their historic main branch and tower... there was a lot of history there and architecturally it's an interesting combination of buildings that complement each other nicely.

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2023, 4:30 PM
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With all the talk of the Stradbrook fire and the listing of 13 floor BellMTS building (formerly Bestlands Building) I am remembering how sometime in the 80s the building was the site of a large fire. I can't remember much more about that but think it made the front page of the WFP back in the day and was a fairly rare Winnipeg high rise fire.
     
     
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