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Old Posted Sep 17, 2015, 1:48 AM
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Energy East Pipeline Update:

Construction is now scheduled to start early 2017 with a commissioning and in service date of 2020. I am not too surprised considering the oil price this year.
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Construction is now scheduled to start early 2017 with a commissioning and in service date of 2020. I am not too surprised considering the oil price this year.
The delay is unrelated to current energy prices. The delay is a result of the decision not to have a port/storage facility in Quebec which necessitated a change in the application which means the clock turns back to zero from the approval process point of view, losing the one year that it was already submitted.
Moreover, Trans Canada is a pipeline company. It gets paid to transport oil from Point "A" to point "B" irrespective of the price of oil. The price of oil impacts refineries and producers who export it. Ironically, at the moment, North American Refiners like Irving oil are generating huge profits because they are buying oil from suffering producers at the low world prices due to over supply but selling refined products at higher prices because demand for gas is up but supply is low because there are not enough refineries in North America.
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The delay is unrelated to current energy prices. The delay is a result of the decision not to have a port/storage facility in Quebec which necessitated a change in the application which means the clock turns back to zero from the approval process point of view, losing the one year that it was already submitted.
Moreover, Trans Canada is a pipeline company. It gets paid to transport oil from Point "A" to point "B" irrespective of the price of oil. The price of oil impacts refineries and producers who export it. Ironically, at the moment, North American Refiners like Irving oil are generating huge profits because they are buying oil from suffering producers at the low world prices due to over supply but selling refined products at higher prices because demand for gas is up but supply is low because there are not enough refineries in North America.
You are correct. It's all about supply and demand. The year delay is unfortunate but when all is said and done it will be worth it.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2015, 6:22 PM
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Where exactly is Lorneville?
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Where exactly is Lorneville?
West of Saint John (inside city limits), on the Bay of Fundy. Small community of about 800 people.

Island View heights and Churchill Heights are the suburban neighborhoods in the back of that photo.
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Can someone familiar with the city tell me how many highrises there are under construction? And how many have been completed with the last decade? The diagrams section doesn't seem to show anything recent and when I was there last week I didn't see any.
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Can someone familiar with the city tell me how many highrises there are under construction?
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And how many have been completed with the last decade?
The closest thing to a hi-rise in the last decade would be two mid-rise buildings, Chateau Saint John at 7 stories, and Harbourfront Residences at 9 stories. Maybe the new courthouse as well, but it's not very tall either...
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^ Yeah that's the impression that I got, but it's kind of surprising considering the size and density of the city. Although it was apparently only in the last census that it's started growing again after decades of slow population loss.

During my short visit I was extremely impressed with the city and would even say i fell in love with it. I kind of knew what to expect in the sense that it's an industrial harbour city with lots of historic building stock, and I was even knew about the brick and stone buildings in the south end. But I expected it to seem more run and and "ghetto" with graffiti, litter, abandoned buildings, and bastardization like vinyl and aluminum siding. In reality, although I can tell that the city is a bit run down, it feels more like a rich, graceful patina that one might find in a characterful part of Europe more so than rough parts of North America.

The main tell tale sign of the population loss seems to be empty lots where houses were torn down for some reason and not replaced. But these lots also have a sort of gracefulness to them, often with greenery and wildfowers rather than asphalt and broken glass. There are glimpses here and there of Halifax, but in a purer, more ambiance-drenched form. There are no highrises poking up in the residential areas, few modern buildings, few houses converted to offices or shops. I can imagine at times that these streets are timeless and have existed as they are forever. And the fact that it's so quiet is conducive to such mind-wandering.

Strangely, this year has seen my view of NB completely upended. I grew up near the border and always viewed NB as being a functional yet unremarkable place, playing the role to the Maritimes that San Jose plays to the Bay area. A drive-by, fly-over province as I've heard others call it. But when i drove through this spring on my way to Ontario, I was impressed by it's charm and beauty. I fell in love with Edmunston despite making only two brief stops there. And now having fallen in love with Saint John, I realise my previous view was simply due to my failure to explore beyond Greater Moncton. Overall, NB is just as interesting and character-filled as NS and PEI which makes me feel like I've made an exciting discovery!

I noticed a page or two back there were a few people discussing their frustrations with SJ and thinking of moving. Yet in my brief visit, I imagined it as a soul-enriching place to live. Of course, it's certainly MUCH quieter than Hfx, and the personality of the two cities is completely different. Halifax seems to be set on appearing quirky and bohemian, and the hipster aesthetic is pervasive. SJ seems to have no such ambitions. The ambiance is industrial, urban, working class, and gracious, but any artistic sensibility seems strictly retro or traditional. I can imagine it as the place you return to after traveling the world seeking fortune and adventure, and sinking into it like your favourite duvet. Or a large, close-knit, salt of the earth family who warmly welcomes visitors to its table that is always adorned with a vase of freshly picked flowers but who value the sound of laughter over perfect table manners.

Halifax yearns to be one of those places where people come to seek fortune and adventure rather than a place to return to afterward. And of course for some it is. But Halifax seems to harbour the same mild melancholy when it doesn't attract all the outsiders it wishes that SJ seems to experience when its locals leave. The goals are different, but the inability to fulfillment them is frustrating just the same.

Overall, I find the historic aspects of the city equally impressive as Halifax, and while there are far fewer highrises and modern buildings in SJ, their absence isn't apparent when immersed in the actual context. The place feels appropriate in its scale and composition. The quietness feels like a chance to soak up the richness of the setting rather than to resent anything that's missing. The land feels as though it was perfectly designed for the place as if by someone playing sim city. Whether this is all just infatuation only time will tell. But I envy the people who know it well and I really want to return.
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I really enjoyed reading that account of your impressions, Nouvellecosse. To those of us who live in Saint John, it's all too easy to overlook the great things about the city and region because we tend to take them for granted and see only the flaws.

No city is flawless, and certainly not Saint John, but there is a lot of merit here too, as you've so gracefully articulated.

There's a local comedian (James Mullinger) who moved here from London and has done a few routines about how much better he likes it here. Makes a lot of good points.
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I have a bit of insecurity when trying to articulate intangibles, so I'm glad to hear it was well received!
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^ Yeah that's the impression that I got, but it's kind of surprising considering the size and density of the city. Although it was apparently only in the last census that it's started growing again after decades of slow population loss.

During my short visit I was extremely impressed with the city and would even say i fell in love with it. I kind of knew what to expect in the sense that it's an industrial harbour city with lots of historic building stock, and I was even knew about the brick and stone buildings in the south end. But I expected it to seem more run and and "ghetto" with graffiti, litter, abandoned buildings, and bastardization like vinyl and aluminum siding. In reality, although I can tell that the city is a bit run down, it feels more like a rich, graceful patina that one might find in a characterful part of Europe more so than rough parts of North America.

The main tell tale sign of the population loss seems to be empty lots where houses were torn down for some reason and not replaced. But these lots also have a sort of gracefulness to them, often with greenery and wildfowers rather than asphalt and broken glass. There are glimpses here and there of Halifax, but in a purer, more ambiance-drenched form. There are no highrises poking up in the residential areas, few modern buildings, few houses converted to offices or shops. I can imagine at times that these streets are timeless and have existed as they are forever. And the fact that it's so quiet is conducive to such mind-wandering.

Strangely, this year has seen my view of NB completely upended. I grew up near the border and always viewed NB as being a functional yet unremarkable place, playing the role to the Maritimes that San Jose plays to the Bay area. A drive-by, fly-over province as I've heard others call it. But when i drove through this spring on my way to Ontario, I was impressed by it's charm and beauty. I fell in love with Edmunston despite making only two brief stops there. And now having fallen in love with Saint John, I realise my previous view was simply due to my failure to explore beyond Greater Moncton. Overall, NB is just as interesting and character-filled as NS and PEI which makes me feel like I've made an exciting discovery!

I noticed a page or two back there were a few people discussing their frustrations with SJ and thinking of moving. Yet in my brief visit, I imagined it as a soul-enriching place to live. Of course, it's certainly MUCH quieter than Hfx, and the personality of the two cities is completely different. Halifax seems to be set on appearing quirky and bohemian, and the hipster aesthetic is pervasive. SJ seems to have no such ambitions. The ambiance is industrial, urban, working class, and gracious, but any artistic sensibility seems strictly retro or traditional. I can imagine it as the place you return to after traveling the world seeking fortune and adventure, and sinking into it like your favourite duvet. Or a large, close-knit, salt of the earth family who warmly welcomes visitors to its table that is always adorned with a vase of freshly picked flowers but who value the sound of laughter over perfect table manners.

Halifax yearns to be one of those places where people come to seek fortune and adventure rather than a place to return to afterward. And of course for some it is. But Halifax seems to harbour the same mild melancholy when it doesn't attract all the outsiders it wishes that SJ seems to experience when its locals leave. The goals are different, but the inability to fulfillment them is frustrating just the same.

Overall, I find the historic aspects of the city equally impressive as Halifax, and while there are far fewer highrises and modern buildings in SJ, their absence isn't apparent when immersed in the actual context. The place feels appropriate in its scale and composition. The quietness feels like a chance to soak up the richness of the setting rather than to resent anything that's missing. The land feels as though it was perfectly designed for the place as if by someone playing sim city. Whether this is all just infatuation only time will tell. But I envy the people who know it well and I really want to return.
This was exactly how I felt about a city that I grew up close to (outside of Fredericton) but never appreciated until I was well into adulthood. I have lived in Halifax ,Fredericton, and presently Saskatoon, but me and my family hope to get into the Greater SJ area when or if we move back to the Maritimes.
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I have a bit of insecurity when trying to articulate intangibles, so I'm glad to hear it was well received!
Enjoyed your perspective, always good to hear what people think of our great city. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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The delay is unrelated to current energy prices. The delay is a result of the decision not to have a port/storage facility in Quebec which necessitated a change in the application which means the clock turns back to zero from the approval process point of view, losing the one year that it was already submitted.
Moreover, Trans Canada is a pipeline company. It gets paid to transport oil from Point "A" to point "B" irrespective of the price of oil. The price of oil impacts refineries and producers who export it. Ironically, at the moment, North American Refiners like Irving oil are generating huge profits because they are buying oil from suffering producers at the low world prices due to over supply but selling refined products at higher prices because demand for gas is up but supply is low because there are not enough refineries in North America.
Thanks for the clarification. I was aware of the change in the Quebec terminal but I was not aware of the 'reset' caused by that. Trans-Canada is reviewing alternatives in Quebec and is planning to file an amendment in Q4 of this year. If there is any delay in that filing, it might delay the previously mentioned dates also.

I do have to disagree on the increased demand for gasoline. US consumption is down significantly for the past couple of years. Consumption started dropping precipitously in 2007 and apparently bottomed out In Jan. 2014 at 73% down from it's all time high in Aug. 2003. It has recovered slightly, but it is still down 61% from 2003. Irving sells over half of it's refined gasoline, etc. into the US market, so that would be a good yardstick for the profitability of their business right now. Canadian consumption hasn't suffered as badly. It is down slightly since 2010 in eastern Canada, and at best could be considered flat.

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But I envy the people who know it well and I really want to return.
I too, appreciated your poetic description of the character of the city. I have memories of living in various parts of the city and spending my early summers at my grandmother's house on the beach in Westfield.

I love the city and it's various neighbourhoods. I had to move away for economic reasons and only hope that someday, I can either return for good, or at least find a place as full of variation and character as Saint John. I doubt I could find any place that is as totally captivating as this city is.

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Again I too will add my appreciation to nouvellecosse's kind words for Saint John. I love it as well and have been visiting it every november with my wife as part of our fall vacation. I was not sure my wife was going to love Saint John since it is so different from Moncton and alot of other places but love it she did. We have also visited in july and in january so we are quite well acquainted with what the area has to offer and it is alot! I am very pleased that my 11 year old nephew also loves the city and I also agree that anyone who does not love Saint John must not understand it.
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I'm still in NB, but moved away from Saint John to be closer to my work. I plan that one day I'll be back. I still consider it home.
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Does anyone happen to have photos of Smythe that are recent ? Or any info on Harbourside Apartments? I don't know if i can post this here but i'm working on a project and it would be great if anyone had some photos i could use thanks
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Something interesting/exciting actually happened today but nobody has mentioned it yet...... hint: Boardwalk
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Tidal steps, floating patios, sculptures, a splash pad, new lighting are just some of the plans for a re-imagined Loyalist Plaza and North Market Slip.

The design creating a lot of excitement at an event at the New Brunswick Museum.

Capital campaign co-chair Michelle Hooten says the City has put 3.4 million dollars into the project which has a $9 million dollar pricetag.

She says the committee will hit the ground running setting up meetings with potential corporate partners adding there are a lot of naming opporotunities here.

Hooten says she likes how open and clean it is calling the design world class.

Patrick Oland of Moosehead Breweries really likes the tidal steps and floating docks component.

He says we are surrounded by tides and water but we don't always get down there so he thinks that's is a really neat feature.

He also enjoys the lighting feature and the covered patio eating areas.

The next step in the project will be funding raising.

The city has already contributed 3.4 million dollars to the re-imagined Loyalist Plaza and Market Slip.

You can see pictures and video on our Twitter pages @chsjnews (@973thewavenews)

- See more at: http://www.country94.ca/news/2025006899/...d-north-market-slip#sthash.WP7BLgxB.dpuf
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