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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 4:46 AM
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It always seemed to me that Metropolis was struggling to fill all of its space with good tenants -
i.e. I always thought the large retail units in the former Zellers and Sears wings were due to the mall's inability to find a lot of smaller tenants - so it consolidated space into extra-large units.
... and the preponderance of hairdressing salons is also a giveaway.
I think it had more to do with the fact the mall has a lot of weird dead-end areas. The entire bottom floor was originally setup with Woodwards food floor at one end and the Sears clearance store at the other end. Well the food floor is now T&T markets and the Sears discount store is now Toys 'r Us. The entire bottom level gets very little traffic.

I remember in the pre-shopping centre days Sears had its own building and there was a weird walkway and the building in the back that housed the clearance centre. The clearance centre building was ripped down and for the most part the mall built on its site. The Sears store is in the original 1950s building and the mall was just built around it.

That shopping center has gone through every major anchor you could think of: Woodwards, Eatons, Target, and Bretton's. I think part of the problem is Canada just does not have enough department store brands to anchor the end of each hall in Metrotown.

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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 5:29 AM
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Can I punch the leasing team in the face for Metrotown?

Who in their right mind would keep T&T and Superstore? Arguably the worst customer base you could possibly imagine.... elderly asian customers who take transit and trot a metal trolley and spend zero $.

That mall has zero first to market stores and dose zilch with it's marketing also.

Here is a plan... Kick out Superstore/T&T replace with....

Crate and Barrel
Decent Sushi Chain
American Girl
Hollister
AllStaints
Anthropologie
JCrew
FitnessWorld
Tesla
Yankee Candle
Pottery Barn
Williams Sonoma
7 For All ManKind
Aesop
H&M Home
Desigual
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Wilfred
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 5:40 AM
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Can I punch the leasing team in the face for Metrotown?

Who in their right mind would keep T&T and Superstore? Arguably the worst customer base you could possibly imagine.... elderly asian customers who take transit and trot a metal trolley and spend zero $.

That mall has zero first to market stores and dose zilch with it's marketing also.

Here is a plan... Kick out Superstore/T&T replace with....

Crate and Barrel
Decent Sushi Chain
American Girl
Hollister
AllStaints
Anthropologie
JCrew
FitnessWorld
Tesla
Yankee Candle
Pottery Barn
Williams Sonoma
7 For All ManKind
Aesop
H&M Home
Desigual
Lego Store
Arcteryx
Wilfred
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2016, 7:27 PM
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I think it had more to do with the fact the mall has a lot of weird dead-end areas. The entire bottom floor was originally setup with Woodwards food floor at one end and the Sears clearance store at the other end. Well the food floor is now T&T markets and the Sears discount store is now Toys 'r Us. The entire bottom level gets very little traffic.
The bottom level does well now due to using all that extra space for H&M and Forever 21, although now without Home Outfitters there's a massive amount of space available

And lol @ above, Superstore and T&T brings a hell of a lot of foot traffic to the mall.

The merger did wonders to Metrotown a decade ago, used the foot court to anchor the Bay portion of the mall and that resulted in a lot of people being funneled through the mall.
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That shopping center has gone through every major anchor you could think of: Woodwards, Eatons, Target, and Bretton's. I think part of the problem is Canada just does not have enough department store brands to anchor the end of each hall in Metrotown.
...and Sears is swirling down the toilet of doom. What's going to happen to the end of that hallway once it's gone? I wonder if Concord is waiting for them to die before doing their towers redevelopment.

That's why I'd love to see the Target space redeveloped as a service instead of another store. If they could put a 'destination' in that space...


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And lol @ above, Superstore and T&T brings a hell of a lot of foot traffic to the mall.

The merger did wonders to Metrotown a decade ago, used the foot court to anchor the Bay portion of the mall and that resulted in a lot of people being funneled through the mall.
I go to that Superstore all the time, and while I'm there I'll wander through at least that end of the mall to do any other shopping I have lined up. Metrotown is one stop shopping - and for that you need a mix of high and low end stores.
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...and Sears is swirling down the toilet of doom. What's going to happen to the end of that hallway once it's gone? I wonder if Concord is waiting for them to die before doing their towers redevelopment.
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I go to that Superstore all the time, and while I'm there I'll wander through at least that end of the mall to do any other shopping I have lined up. Metrotown is one stop shopping - and for that you need a mix of high and low end stores.
I'll bet each of Superstore and T&T have "exclusives" within their former malls.

I think Sears us supposed to get space for a new store in the Concord project - so even if Sears closes, the rights to that space would be assigned to someone else (i.e. purchaser of Sears assets).

The weird thing about Metropolis - and it probably stems from the separate malls (and separate management) and the legacy of long term leases -is that there isn't a "high end" wing of the mall.

Other than the Hudson's Bay wing, the wings are also quite short for that purpose and the placement of the anchors ill-suited (and with the food court smack dab in the middle, the Hudson's Bay wing can't now be converted to be a high end wing.)
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2016, 12:28 AM
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The weird thing about Metropolis - and it probably stems from the separate malls (and separate management) and the legacy of long term leases -is that there isn't a "high end" wing of the mall.

Other than the Hudson's Bay wing, the wings are also quite short for that purpose and the placement of the anchors ill-suited (and with the food court smack dab in the middle, the Hudson's Bay wing can't now be converted to be a high end wing.)
There isn't really a 'high-end wing' as such but there certainly is a burgeoning 'flagship-stretch'. The recently enlarged section between the former Eaton Centre and Metrotown Centre is of grand scale and feels very current. Looks like most flagships are ending up there like the new enormous Aritzia, Apple, Banana Republic. It's seems to be more dominant on the upper-level but it appears that's the area of choice for international flagships. I'm sure Zara and H&M would like to relocate there.
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2016, 8:07 AM
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Yeah, that section looks great.
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Saint Laurent Paris on Thurlow St., in the Carlyle, looks about ready to open. Pic from today. Prada blade sign seems to encroach on their facade.

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Interesting discussion around Metropolis. It seems that there is lots of history and compromises in how the mall ended up looking like it is today. Sounds to me like a major reconstruction would be the best way to bring it up to the standards of a modern mall today, although the mall is still very busy as it is.

I don't know what exactly draws masses to the mall, but the amount of pedestrian traffic between the Skytrain station and the mall is like a constant flow of people. It is ridiculous at times. Also the food court is always really busy at the opposite end of the mall.

I seldomly visit the bottom floor, but I believe that at least T&T is very busy and Metrotown's demographics definitely help driving that. I am not sure about Canadian Superstore, having never been to it.

It's just a bit of shame that Burnaby's downtown (which the city wants Metrotown to be) is stuck with such a huge monstrocity in the middle and even the new developments like Station Square seem a bit like compromises with the current setup around them. This is why I like the promise of Brentwood, with everything being built from the scratch.
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What would make Metrotown a modern mall? I don't even know. Seems too popular as it is, to the point that I don't like going there because it's too crowded.
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Interesting discussion around Metropolis. It seems that there is lots of history and compromises in how the mall ended up looking like it is today. Sounds to me like a major reconstruction would be the best way to bring it up to the standards of a modern mall today, although the mall is still very busy as it is.

I don't know what exactly draws masses to the mall, but the amount of pedestrian traffic between the Skytrain station and the mall is like a constant flow of people. It is ridiculous at times. Also the food court is always really busy at the opposite end of the mall.

I seldomly visit the bottom floor, but I believe that at least T&T is very busy and Metrotown's demographics definitely help driving that. I am not sure about Canadian Superstore, having never been to it.

It's just a bit of shame that Burnaby's downtown (which the city wants Metrotown to be) is stuck with such a huge monstrocity in the middle and even the new developments like Station Square seem a bit like compromises with the current setup around them. This is why I like the promise of Brentwood, with everything being built from the scratch.
Yup, malls do draw in crowds of people, especially if it's well served by a good transit system. Aren't you glad that you are "close to so much convenience" now, Klazu?

I can see the real commercial downtown of Metrotown moving away from the Metrotown area towards Bonsor Park neighbourhood and even to Royal Oak. It takes time, but that will be the likelihood of how this new downtown will expand. Remember, without Metropolis, Metrotown will never grow to what it is today. All major town centres in the Lower Mainland are anchored by a huge or relatively large mall.


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What would make Metrotown a modern mall? I don't even know. Seems too popular as it is, to the point that I don't like going there because it's too crowded.
I think Klazu means it's exterior aesthetics. It is very dated when compared to modern malls around the world.
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Anyone know whats going into 50 Powell St? Looks like they've dumped a lot of money into the renos and the setup looks like Lululemon... which would be interesting seeing how Chip Wilson is buying up Gastown and surrounding area and has his new flagship close by.
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Anyone know whats going into 50 Powell St? Looks like they've dumped a lot of money into the renos and the setup looks like Lululemon... which would be interesting seeing how Chip Wilson is buying up Gastown and surrounding area and has his new flagship close by.
It's the Lululemon offices upstairs, not sure what's happening downstairs.
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Saint Laurent Paris on Thurlow St., in the Carlyle, looks about ready to open. Pic from today. Prada blade sign seems to encroach on their facade.

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Saw inside yesterday. I wasn't really paying attention but it looked like there was still some work to do. I really like what Moncler does with the alley-side window display.

Also, Massimo Dutti is now open at Pacific Centre.
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It always seemed to me that Metropolis was struggling to fill all of its space with good tenants -
i.e. I always thought the large retail units in the former Zellers and Sears wings were due to the mall's inability to find a lot of smaller tenants - so it consolidated space into extra-large units.
... and the preponderance of hairdressing salons is also a giveaway.
I think it had more to do with the fact the mall has a lot of weird dead-end areas. The entire bottom floor was originally setup with Woodwards food floor at one end and the Sears clearance store at the other end. Well the food floor is now T&T markets and the Sears discount store is now Toys 'r Us. The entire bottom level gets very little traffic.

I remember in the pre-shopping centre days Sears had its own building and there was a weird walkway and the building in the back that housed the clearance centre. The clearance centre building was ripped down and for the most part the mall built on its site. The Sears store is in the original 1950s building and the mall was just built around it.

That shopping center has gone through every major anchor you could think of: Woodwards, Eatons, Target, and Bretton's. I think part of the problem is Canada just does not have enough department store brands to anchor the end of each hall in Metrotown.
That's exactly how I see it. There are a bunch of dead-end areas that will never see much unless they are combined into corner-units from the main "walking route". When I was in high school, our marketing class had a field trip to Metrotown and the person who worked there (I forget his position) explained to us that when the food court was relocated, the intention was for patrons to make their way from the Skytrain station/bus loop towards the food court, along both levels. So basically the "main walking route" is the route between Zara and the food court.

So when I say the mall is essentially full, I mean that all the spaces between Zara and the food court are considered "prime", and are spoken for. Most space off of that route is considered far less desirable. The mall has gradually made room for more larger retailers by consolidating the dead-end spaces with corner units in prime areas.

But, no matter what, the major retailers are going to be hesitant to secure space outside of these areas, likely even if the mall renovates. Guildford had renovated pretty much the whole mall, but even then it took a brand new wing to entice retailers to the mall. I think Metrotown needs to build new if they want to remain competitive and attract more new retailers.

Aritzia is moving into a space next to Boys' Co. My guess is that this is to make room for a large new retailer looking to secure a big space (Uniqlo?). And that the current Aritzia space will be combined with the former La Vie en Rose space and potentially the Shoppers space as well. But look how long it takes (years), just to make room for one retailer!
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Last time I worked in Metrotown, I think there was 10 owners listed on my certificate. Metrotown, Oakridge, Guilford are all ivanhoe Cambridge. Guilford just finished a half life upgrade and added a new high street wing. The remaining areas of the mall just got cosmetic touchups. The main store moved to the new location and there old stores still remain empty. There is a huge block across from the bay that is empty. And several other big square feet stores are empty.

Oakridge is the next property to get redeveloped. I cant see Ivanhoe starting 2 mall reworks at the same time. Metrotown is more or less full and most of the list that you posted has a store and the market is not big enough for 2nd. Hollister is a good example of this The brand has does not have the sales to add second location so the added A&F instead. In the big picture Vancouver is still a small city and not yet a fashion hub.

If Metro was to expand they would demo the target area and redevelop it adding additional levels and rework the site from the parkade to the base of the towers. This is a huge area of land.

Certain stores tend to only with 1 landlord country wide so that also effects which malls the chains are in.
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Solution: Introduce more high density retail to bring the rental costs down. Obviously the demand for retail is very strong, unfortunately we haven't seen any increase in the number of good quality CRUs in the immediate area. That's why we are seeing the crunch now. Ironically, on the Robson side, retailers are vacating the bad-quality but pricey stores in droves. Time to consider a few high density retail developments downtown, especially on the low-density Robson side.
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Solution: Introduce more high density retail to bring the rental costs down. Obviously the demand for retail is very strong, unfortunately we haven't seen any increase in the number of good quality CRUs in the immediate area. That's why we are seeing the crunch now. Ironically, on the Robson side, retailers are vacating the bad-quality but pricey stores in droves. Time to consider a few high density retail developments downtown, especially on the low-density Robson side.
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