Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

You don't need Daryl Katz. There's many multi-millionaires and billionaires that would gladly build a stadium with taxpayer's money and a new office tower anchored by the city. Entertainment District is so overdone selling taxpayers on these hand outs. Come up with something more original and less on consumerism.

The offer is for the City to lease the land for the stadium, and whatever else makes economic sense to build. The MoU explicitly rules out by taxpayer money from the City. It would be surprising if the province would invest anything, as they lose a tenant in BC Place. It's also unclear that the City would agree to residential - even rental - as part of the development.

[northernlights99]

I was watching old coverage of the 1989 San Francisco Earthquake that occured right before Game 3 of the World Series, Oakland versus SF Giants.

Al Michaels voice was cut off followed by several minutes of blank screen. It's eerie to watch, you can hear the screams of the crowd.

He later said he thought the stadium might collapse. Who knows, only half the crowd was seated 20 minutes before first pitch, the extra load on the stadium caused by a fully seated crowd might have caused more problems had the quake happened later.

Candlestick Park held 63,000 for baseball, that should've been the capacity for Skydome also.

Candlestick Park was opened in 1960 and served as home of NFL's 49ers later. Initially the seating was just on the sides but later went to a wrap around design.

Who needs a hotel inside a stadium. Another stupid Canadian idea.

[craner]

I think a stadium hotel with views of the field is a very cool idea … course I am Canadian.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

I was watching old coverage of the 1989 San Francisco Earthquake that occured right before Game 3 of the World Series, Oakland versus SF Giants.

Candlestick Park held 63,000 for baseball, that should've been the capacity for Skydome also.

Who needs a hotel inside a stadium. Another stupid Canadian idea.

Oddly enough, I watched that lately as well. Why should SkyDome have the same capacity as outdoor Candlestick Park? Also the SkyDome was the first large scale stadium with a fully opening roof. I guess that was another stupid Canadian idea.

[Djeffery]

Yeah, the Texas Rangers thought a hotel was a terrible idea, so they put an office building in their outfield, rather than more seats.

[trolledbypro]

Mike Cohen of the Suburban reporting that multiple groups are working on bringing baseball to Montreal. Andrew Lufty, owner of Carbonleo, is serious in building some sort of baseball stadium at one of his properties (Carbonleo is the Royalmount developer and operator of Dix30).

https://x.com/mikecohencsl/status/20...091677152?s=20

Ashkan Karbasfrooshan seems stuck on trying to find property. The best land available has ties to other "groups": Peel Basin site has land operated by Devimco and Royalmount is Carbonleo.

https://x.com/ashkan/status/2008925523955564956?s=20

[northernlights99]

and the Super Bowl will be right in Santa Clara which was the epicenter of the 1989 Earthquake and experienced so much damage.

for those of you not old enough to remember that terrible day :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ERvsmnTb6w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umIzQ-C-fTc

good thing Taylor Swift will partying somewhere else.

I remember watching the game and seeing the feed get cut off, then coming back with the footage of the destruction. Personally, I am against the Super Bowl being played in Santa Clara.

I realize the 49ers play there and they haven't had an earthquake there yet, it just doesn't make sense to me to play the SB there, seems high risk.

Montreal's Swifty roof is coming along nicely :

https://www.ctvnews.ca/montreal/arti...ympic-stadium/

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by northernlights99

and the Super Bowl will be right in Santa Clara which was the epicenter of the 1989 Earthquake and experienced so much damage.

for those of you not old enough to remember that terrible day :


I remember watching the game and seeing the feed get cut off, then coming back with the footage of the destruction. Personally, I am against the Super Bowl being played in Santa Clara.

I realize the 49ers play there and they haven't had an earthquake there yet, it just doesn't make sense to me to play the SB there, seems high risk.

Unsure why you are singling out the Bay Area, of all places. The earthquake was over 36 years ago. A much greater concern would be hurricanes disrupting games in the Southeast US.

[Dalreg]

LA have quakes, Seattle has quakes, Florida is one hurricane away from being a swamp. Hell one of the largest earthquakes ever in the USA was in Missouri!

Grasping at straws mate. You don't like the Niners stadium, we get that.

[Djeffery]

Originally Posted by Dalreg

Grasping at straws mate. You don't like the Niners stadium, we get that.

It was even good enough for Taylor to play at lol

[elly63]

Meanwhile back in the Stadiums & Arenas of Canada thread

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by elly63

Meanwhile back in the Stadiums & Arenas of Canada thread

I've never understood why Calgary has not replaced McMahon Stadium. It's the oldest, and most unimpressive stadium in any CFL city, by a mile. It's not like the City of Calgary has been hard up for money in the last 50 years.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I've never understood why Calgary has not replaced McMahon Stadium. It's the oldest, and most unimpressive stadium in any CFL city, by a mile. It's not like the City of Calgary has been hard up for money in the last 50 years.

If you want to rehash this go to page 466 and then check out some realistic AI concepts for MacMahon

BTW, it's not near the oldest.

[Djeffery]

He's 3/4 right, it's not the oldest stadium, but it's the longest continually serving CFL stadium, and most certainly is the most unimpressive. It's no wonder Calgary hasn't replaced it. Look how long and how many attempts at the new Flames arena. Maybe now that it's underway they can look towards a new football stadium.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by elly63

If you want to rehash this go to page 466 and then check out some realistic AI concepts for MacMahon

BTW, it's not near the oldest.

It's the oldest CFL stadium to never have any type of major renovations. The only stadium that is older than McMahon, is the one the Alouettes play in, and that stadium has gone through extensive renovations to make it acceptable for the CFL.

I don't have time to sift through 500 pages of replies, and rehash old posts from nearly a year ago.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by Changing City

The offer is for the City to lease the land for the stadium, and whatever else makes economic sense to build. The MoU explicitly rules out by taxpayer money from the City. It would be surprising if the province would invest anything, as they lose a tenant in BC Place. It's also unclear that the City would agree to residential - even rental - as part of the development.

You brought up Daryl Katz like he didn't get at least billion dollars worth from tax funding initiatives and head leases.

Sorry, call me pessimistic. There is no one bankrolling a soccer stadium in Canada. The insane costs don't justify the value of the building and, so far, tax funding formulas have been flowing. The sound wager for this proposal is death.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

He's 3/4 right, it's not the oldest stadium, but it's the longest continually serving CFL stadium, and most certainly is the most unimpressive. It's no wonder Calgary hasn't replaced it. Look how long and how many attempts at the new Flames arena. Maybe now that it's underway they can look towards a new football stadium.

Aside from the view, which some have told us is unimportant, how is McMahon any more unimpressive than Molson Stadium
.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

It's the oldest CFL stadium to never have any type of major renovations. The only stadium that is older than McMahon, is the one the Alouettes play in, and that stadium has gone through extensive renovations to make it acceptable for the CFL.

I don't have time to sift through 500 pages of replies, and rehash old posts from nearly a year ago.

You sure have enough time to waste here now.

As for never having renovations:

McMahon Stadium was expanded multiple times, first in 1967 with 2,600 seats for a capacity of 22,136, then in 1973 adding 3,500 seats to 25,636, and in 1975 with a $1.125-million expansion to 32,454 in time for the 63rd Grey Cup.

Additional expansions occurred in 1978 at a cost of $4.5 million to 33,386, and in 1987 saw major expansion and upgrades at a cost of $17 million with 11,000 theatre-style seats added with capacity raised to 38,205.

Skyboxes were added in 1993, lowering capacity to 37,211, with more skyboxes added in 2000 to lower capacity again to 35,967

[craner]

McMahon is an embarrassment - but also loveable in a nostalgic kind of way.
I too am surprised it hasn’t been replaced by now with all the money in Calgary. Aren’t there any rich oil men who are football fans? Where are the modern day McMahon brothers?

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by elly63

You sure have enough time to waste here now.

As for never having renovations:

McMahon Stadium was expanded multiple times, first in 1967 with 2,600 seats for a capacity of 22,136, then in 1973 adding 3,500 seats to 25,636, and in 1975 with a $1.125-million expansion to 32,454 in time for the 63rd Grey Cup.

Additional expansions occurred in 1978 at a cost of $4.5 million to 33,386, and in 1987 saw major expansion and upgrades at a cost of $17 million with 11,000 theatre-style seats added with capacity raised to 38,205.

Skyboxes were added in 1993, lowering capacity to 37,211, with more skyboxes added in 2000 to lower capacity again to 35,967

I would not really call sky boxes "major renovations. Ditto for expanding the stadium nearly 40 years ago. Judging by your posting history, you have a fondness for McMahon Stadium perhaps you are a Calgary resident?), but it is, by far, the worst CFL venue in Canada, and it's way past it's shelf life.

Ideally they should have replaced it 15 years ago, and razed it to the ground long ago, like they did with some of the seedy hotels in Motel Village across the Crowchild.