Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[Comrade]

Yes, So. Salt Lake is its own incorporated town.

I think a name change would hurt, since being associated with the most known city in Utah can't be a bad thing.

But honestly, I'm with Projects, I don't understand why SLC doesn't just annex the area.

[cololi]

Originally Posted by Comrade Reynolds

But honestly, I'm with Projects, I don't understand why SLC doesn't just annex the area.

Because of our state legislature, cities in first class counties (which SL County is the only one in the state) cannot actively seek out places to annex. Basically S Salt Lake would have to decide to cease their incorporation and then petition SLC to join it. Then, a vote in the next election is required. This is the reason why SLC also has not actively sought out Millcreek, but rather been an interested observer. Cities can have an annexation plan, much like Sandy does, but those are intended to help guide the City in a policy decision if the residents from an area approach a city with a desire to annex into it.

Personally, if a City is providing service (particularly water) to an area, I think they should be able to seek an annex in order to control development at a level that they can serve. Right now, if some parts of Millcreek, Holladay, Cottonwood Heights, etc. develop in a manner that consumes a lot of water, SLC Water is on the hook for providing service, but yet they have no approval authority over land use. SLC Water serves properties with water all they way to the east bench of Sandy.

[Comrade]

No, I knew this. I think it would benefit So. Salt Lake more if it were annexed into the city. But I've never understood why So. Salt Lake is there to begin with. It's probably the most connected city in the valley to Salt Lake.

[WASDEN]

I think South Salt Lake came into existence because SLC was dragging it's feet over building them a sewer system. So they incorporated and built it themselves.

Generally cities want to annex areas that have sizeable tax revenue (usually in the form of commercial districts like Fort Union, a taxable cash cow for Midvale to annex). An example of this in Salt Lake is the Brickyard Shopping plaza- a finger of commercial land mostly in Millcreek but annexed as a part of SLC. Remember when Holliday wanted to incorporate? They wanted to make sure they got the Cottonwood Mall, but without the neighborhoods directly adjacent to it. I think there has since been some legislation that forbids cities from this "a la carte" way of incorporating and annexing- as it depletes unincorporated Salt Lake County's tax base. I'm not that familiar with South Salt Lake's tax revenues but I would guess that it would be more a drain than a boost for SLC proper.

[Comrade]

Yes, South Salt Lake incorporated to build their own sewer system and the rest is history.

I don't know about the tax revenue from So. Salt Lake, though you've got to think with 3300 South, it's fairly sizable. I wouldn't compare it much to Kearns, though, since Kearns sucks.

[Future Mayor]

So I was reading the article on the Trib site (SL Tribune, for those that may think I am referring to another Trib, ) and one comment referred to the open space mid-block plan extending all the way to 7th east. I called him on it and told him to get his facts straight before posting, and that the open space presented only extended from Matheson to 300 E.

This was his reply.

My facts are sound--during the press conference on the matter which I watched on Channel 17, the developer showed off the plans that extended the development up to 7th East. What they are looking at is a grand axis all the way from the Courthouse to 7th East with green space, plazas, and businesses all along the way.

I haven't had time to look at the full plans, but they were presented at the press conference.

Has anyone on here heard about this extended open space plan? I figured if anyone had seen this supposed plan one of us geeks on here would know about it.

If it exists I will be more than happy to acknowledge it, but if it doesn't I want to make him prove it.

This is the only rendering I found.

[cololi]

The Central Community Master Plan calls for a walkway at 450 South to extend from 300 East to 700 East, so yes, it is an officially adopted policy of the City. I have not seen any sort of rendering of it though.

[Future Mayor]

Thanks for the info Cololi, that makes a lot more sense. So the city plan calls for it and this particular Public Safety Plan is a piece of the long range plan.

So is this walkway going to extend right through Smith's Market Place?

[cololi]

Public access easement, aisle 12.

[jmonkey]

As a resident of Salt Lake City, I would tie myself to City Hall on a hunger strike to prevent any proposed annexation of South Salt Lake. Why would we want it? For some pissing match about population numbers? In reality, it has a poor tax base, high crime, and apparently, no city planning or services. There are barely sidewalks. It would be like merging with East Berlin. No thanks.

Branding and logos won't change South Salt Lake.

Maybe they could take on a corporate sponsor for their name change. How about Energy Solutions City? I also liked the sound of East West Valley City. That sounds classy! Just close your eyes while you are within city limits!

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by jmonkey

As a resident of Salt Lake City, I would tie myself to City Hall on a hunger strike to prevent any proposed annexation of South Salt Lake. Why would we want it? For some pissing match about population numbers? In reality, it has a poor tax base, high crime, and apparently, no city planning or services. There are barely sidewalks. It would be like merging with East Berlin. No thanks.

But isn't that reason enough? I mean, So. Salt Lake might as well be considered Salt Lake anyway, since unless you're familiar with city-limits, you can't really tell when Salt Lake ends and where So. Salt Lake begins. Seriously, drive down 500 East and see what I mean. On the east-side, it's Salt Lake City and on the west-side, it's South Salt Lake from 2100 S to 2700 S.

I think if you annex, it offers the chance to make that region better. Obviously crime will always remain high (as it's high in that area of Salt Lake too), but at least we could make it look better than it actually is.

Especially the areas that hug Salt Lake's borders.

[TANGELD_SLC]

If those new civic buildings are put on Library Square then I will have lost all faith in our city's leaders. It's a no-brainer to put them across the street!

[delts145]

Safety-complex plan meets public opposition

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...pposition.html

Calling the city's downtown library a "landmark" and a "work of art," community members asked Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker and the City Council to back off a plan to build two multistory buildings on Library Square...

...Though no one has opposed the idea of replacing the city's dilapidated public-safety building, opponents of the plan argue that Library Square has become a symbol of culture in the heart of downtown and that adding a police presence to the area would overshadow that.

At City Hall, Gray and others are still drawing up options for the complex. The latest includes two terraced buildings that form a half-circle on the east side of 300 East, a canvas shade covering and hard-surfaced piazza that could hold a 15,000-person event...


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[delts145]

Safety-complex plan meets public opposition

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...pposition.html

Calling the city's downtown library a "landmark" and a "work of art," community members asked Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker and the City Council to back off a plan to build two multistory buildings on Library Square...

...Though no one has opposed the idea of replacing the city's dilapidated public-safety building, opponents of the plan argue that Library Square has become a symbol of culture in the heart of downtown and that adding a police presence to the area would overshadow that.

At City Hall, Gray and others are still drawing up options for the complex. The latest includes two terraced buildings that form a half-circle on the east side of 300 East, a canvas shade covering and hard-surfaced piazza that could hold a 15,000-person event...

Eastern side of Library Square has a seismic risk

Politics » Chorus of voices object to placing police headquarters on touted plaza.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12407674

The project manager who oversaw the design and construction of Salt Lake City's iconic downtown library says the east end of Library Square is a "highly documented" liquefaction site with an underground aquifer and contaminated soil from nearby gas stations -- a site that has suffered seismic activity.

As such, Ken Ament argues the public square should be disqualified as Mayor Ralph Becker's "preferred" location for a $125 million public safety complex..

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[SLC Projects]

Shouldn't somebody start up a "Salt Lake:Official development news thread (2) since this one is now well over it's 10,000 post limit?

[WASDEN]

What happens after we're over 10,000 posts?

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by WASDEN

What happens after we're over 10,000 posts?

A new thread is then started.

[Future Mayor]

Whoever posts # 10,059 gets a virus on their computer.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

So I was reading the article on the Trib site (SL Tribune, for those that may think I am referring to another Trib, ) and one comment referred to the open space mid-block plan extending all the way to 7th east. I called him on it and told him to get his facts straight before posting, and that the open space presented only extended from Matheson to 300 E.

This was his reply.

My facts are sound--during the press conference on the matter which I watched on Channel 17, the developer showed off the plans that extended the development up to 7th East. What they are looking at is a grand axis all the way from the Courthouse to 7th East with green space, plazas, and businesses all along the way.

I haven't had time to look at the full plans, but they were presented at the press conference.

Has anyone on here heard about this extended open space plan? I figured if anyone had seen this supposed plan one of us geeks on here would know about it.

If it exists I will be more than happy to acknowledge it, but if it doesn't I want to make him prove it.

This is the only rendering I found.

I think the location of the buildings on the east side of the square could work if they are designed as a counter curve to the library, similar to what is shown. However, I think the architects are trying to make it too complicated by shifting/offsetting the southern building so that the exterior walls of both buildings are not aligned in a continuous curve. Sometimes architects overdesign and make things too complicated.

[Viperlord]

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