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Old Posted Jun 22, 2009, 2:29 PM
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Highrises are fun, and I'm sure we will continue to have plenty of them here. But it's hard to argue that they are necessary in a place like Atlanta. More midrise and lowrise buildings would have a tremendous and immediate urbanizing effect on our town.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2009, 4:49 PM
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That's your opinion. Plorenc was simply expressing his. I don't understand why you seem to take it as an act of aggression. I agree with aspects of both of your opinions.

Anyway.

While I lean towards mid-rise in that area (~20 stories), my main concern is street presence. As long as these buildings address the street well (which I have confidence they will), I don't think we'll mind whether they're low, mid, or highrise.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2009, 5:58 PM
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In order to stem this disagreement, I'll concede that developers can do what they will with their land. It is my humble opinion that Atlanta should be building more mid-rises to more rapidly urbanize, but I realize that is not up to me. If more skyscrapers are built, so be it. I only hope that sustainability is considered in the designs.

Anyways, I'd like to move on. There's no point in us bickering (and this includes myself) about the future in which details and conditions are uncertain. I may have a specific outlook, but I realize that no good will come by trying to impress that upon others. Time will tell us how to build our buildings.

I can say this for sure, however: urbanism is going to be a growing factor in all of our lives, and that is one thing we can--and should--plan for. Whether this urbanism should consist of high-rises or mid-rises is understandably open for debate and we should continue to adapt as we move towards the future.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2009, 7:13 PM
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Airport People Mover Test

a cool video showing the test run for the new airport people mover to the new rental car facility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R1Ulo70t...40%26p%3D1075203&feature=player_embedded

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Old Posted Jun 22, 2009, 8:09 PM
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...It is my humble opinion that Atlanta should be building more mid-rises to more rapidly urbanize, but I realize that is not up to me....urbanism is going to be a growing factor in all of our lives, and that is one thing we can--and should--plan for. Whether this urbanism should consist of high-rises or mid-rises is understandably open for debate and we should continue to adapt as we move towards the future.
wholly agree - its more important to start focusing on becoming truly urban at the street level than building a pretty skyline, in my opinion. the skyline will eventually follow if what's on the ground becomes more appealing... atlanta will never be savannah or paris but the consensus has quickly realized how ugly and uninspiring this city generally is at the street level. i tend to like our spread out skyline anyway - if we fill in the rest of the current lots maybe that would force development further than 3 blocks away from peachtree st, another definite positive.

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but I realize that is not up to me.
2nded. it's definitely an interesting discussion nonetheless.
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2009, 10:53 PM
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a cool video showing the test run for the new airport people mover to the new rental car facility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R1Ulo70t...40%26p%3D1075203&feature=player_embedded

Nice. Looking forward to the opening!
     
     
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They shut off the water and the peachtree and pines shelter again, this time they owe $170,000:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2009/06/22/shelter_water.html
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 1:19 AM
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wholly agree - its more important to start focusing on becoming truly urban at the street level than building a pretty skyline, in my opinion. the skyline will eventually follow if what's on the ground becomes more appealing... atlanta will never be savannah or paris but the consensus has quickly realized how ugly and uninspiring this city generally is at the street level. i tend to like our spread out skyline anyway - if we fill in the rest of the current lots maybe that would force development further than 3 blocks away from peachtree st, another definite positive.
I agree. This is my only fear: If we build too many mid-rises now right in the center of Midtown, Buckhead, or Downtown, we'll be stuck with them for the next 50 years--in other words, until my retarded behind is dead. Let's build those mid-rises around the core, but leave the core ready for good, tall development when the economy turns around.

I got bent out of shape and offended because homeboy is advocating that we stop building skyscrapers and instead build mid-rises. Build both.
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 1:49 AM
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I agree. This is my only fear: If we build too many mid-rises now right in the center of Midtown, Buckhead, or Downtown, we'll be stuck with them for the next 50 years--in other words, until my retarded behind is dead. Let's build those mid-rises around the core, but leave the core ready for good, tall development when the economy turns around.

I got bent out of shape and offended because homeboy is advocating that we stop building skyscrapers and instead build mid-rises. Build both.
I agree wholeheartedly. The argument hinges on the idea that mid-rises are somehow more sustainable - but that, at present, can be proved utterly false. Yes, the type of urbanism he is advocating is interesting and can be both efficient and beautiful. But it is an antiquated form of building pre-industrial cities that did not profit from the types of construction technologies we have today, nor does it recognize the reality of large-scale personal mobility (ie cars). It also, to a large degree, had time on its side - Rome wasn't built in a day, as the saying goes (actually it took about 2600 years), and Atlanta cannot and should not urbanize with the speed being advocated. That is when you end up with a disaster like Dubai or some of the newer Chinese cities.

The problem is not skyscrapers per se; rather, it is the fact that so many developers, architects, planners, and city officials (they are all complicit) are willing to design and build terrible buildings. If we can solve that problem, and, admittedly, find alternative ways of manufacturing and transporting goods, lifting materials into place, and powering buildings that do not require fossil fuels, skyscrapers can and will be a vital part of Atlanta's (and every big city's) future.

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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 2:46 AM
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They shut off the water and the peachtree and pines shelter again, this time they owe $170,000:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2009/06/22/shelter_water.html
I don't envy what the smell will likely be like in the surrounding blocks as they stated they're staying open tonight.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 3:00 AM
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Anyways, I'd like to move on. There's no point in us bickering (and this includes myself) about the future in which details and conditions are uncertain. I may have a specific outlook, but I realize that no good will come by trying to impress that upon others. Time will tell us how to build our buildings.

I can say this for sure, however: urbanism is going to be a growing factor in all of our lives, and that is one thing we can--and should--plan for. Whether this urbanism should consist of high-rises or mid-rises is understandably open for debate and we should continue to adapt as we move towards the future.
even though i may not know you, im hoping you become very established in your community (if you already arent). i value the way you present yourself, and your opinion.

im sure atlanta would become a very sustainable, and attractive city if only every person on this forum, and all the others that care for atlanta, get involved.

i love the development and skyline of buckhead. just not in the way that it has grown. to develop a skyscraper around a driveway and parking deck is wrong. and to start with midrise development around the core would be a taste of what will be atlantas [future] world class skyline. im not sure who said it, but i feel as if they are correct. start with the small, and the big will be done right.
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I don't envy what the smell will likely be like in the surrounding blocks as they stated they're staying open tonight.
Someone needs to burn that thing to the ground and relocate the shelter out in the woods somewhere far away
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 3:04 PM
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Fyi

According to Blueprint Midtown, the blocks west of 12th and Midtown are slated for low-density mixed use (2-6 floors), so the midtown community as a whole has already agreed this is the most appropriate use for the land. This whole argument was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY!!!

http://www.midtownalliance.org/Documents/EX_SUM.pdf
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Speaking of Atlanta skyscrapers, the most important PROSPECTIVE projects are:
1.The Mandarin Oriental. IF this ever built ,it will signal that the real estate depression in Atlanta is over and that Midtown and not Buckhead is the new epicenter of high end hospitality in the Southeast.

2. 1400 Peachtree. This will be built, the question is when? The design and potential height of this project(SOM and 70 floors,respectively) will further mark Midtown as the urban and urbane center of the Southeast.

3.50 Allen Plaza. The centerpiece of the downtown's most ambitious project could be the catalyst for number of moves that will reengineer downtown as a global destination for corporate and non govermental organizational headquarters.

Other significant projects include 1001 Peactree, the Dewberry project at 10th& Peach and hotel portion of Regent Partners' 3344 Peactree project site plan.
     
     
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According to Blueprint Midtown, the blocks west of 12th and Midtown are slated for low-density mixed use (2-6 floors), so the midtown community as a whole has already agreed this is the most appropriate use for the land. This whole argument was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY!!!

http://www.midtownalliance.org/Documents/EX_SUM.pdf
According to this .pdf 12&M Phase IV will be no more than six floors, MO and 1400 are noticeably absent and there are no buildings greater than 30 floors going in anywhere. The lots Spire and Viewpoint are on are rated 'high susceptibility to change.' I dont think that's right.
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hotel portion of Regent Partners' 3344 Peactree project site plan.
What is this?
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According to Blueprint Midtown, the blocks west of 12th and Midtown are slated for low-density mixed use (2-6 floors), so the midtown community as a whole has already agreed this is the most appropriate use for the land. This whole argument was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY!!!

http://www.midtownalliance.org/Documents/EX_SUM.pdf
Blueprint Midtown "recommends" low density, however there is nothing the zoning codes that would limit the height of development in that area nor should it IMO. I'm in 100% agreement with the idea of 12th becoming a more intimate, pedestrian-focused corridor but that can be achieved with highrises as well.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 23, 2009, 5:43 PM
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According to this .pdf 12&M Phase IV will be no more than six floors, MO and 1400 are noticeably absent and there are no buildings greater than 30 floors going in anywhere. The lots Spire and Viewpoint are on are rated 'high susceptibility to change.' I dont think that's right.
Copyright says 2004 so pretty much nothing was built back then....think these plans have changed a lot since it was written.
     
     
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Speaking of Atlanta skyscrapers, the most important PROSPECTIVE projects are:
1.The Mandarin Oriental. IF this ever built ,it will signal that the real estate depression in Atlanta is over and that Midtown and not Buckhead is the new epicenter of high end hospitality in the Southeast.

2. 1400 Peachtree. This will be built, the question is when? The design and potential height of this project(SOM and 70 floors,respectively) will further mark Midtown as the urban and urbane center of the Southeast.
Why is it SO necessary that Midtown is epicenter of high end hospitality. In my opinion, a lot of people on this forum has this fetish with wanting Midtown to have all of the best things Atlanta has to offer. I think when it comes to the high end hotels, retail stores, and condos, since Buckhead has already established itsself as a landmark for luxury for the city, we should embrace it and make it the best it can be in that market. Also, how in the HELL would The Mandarin Oriental signify that Midtown would be over Buckhead in high end hospitality. I assume you must have forgot about The St. Regis, Intercontinental, The Mansion, Ritz Carlton, and others in Buckhead, and possibly a new Waldorf Astoria.
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