Freeport-McMoRan Center (One Central Park East) - Phoenix, AZ - Page 50

reguyphx · #**981** Posted **Dec 13, 2009, 5:00 PM**

Sorry meant West. The pool will extend out on the west side of the building towards central. This will be where the drop off for the hotel will be and the main entrance for the hotel.

Vicelord John · #**982** Posted **Dec 13, 2009, 5:04 PM**

He is right!

gymratmanaz · #**983** Posted **Dec 13, 2009, 7:14 PM**

He could not be righter!!!

Sonoran_Dweller · #**984** Posted **Dec 13, 2009, 10:31 PM**

So is this pool and deck going to cantilever off one of the floors? Was the building structurally designed to handle this extra load?

plinko · #**985** Posted **Dec 13, 2009, 10:34 PM**

No...see Hoover's diagram. It appears to be more or less correct.

Sonoran_Dweller · #**986** Posted **Dec 13, 2009, 11:07 PM**

His diagram makes it look like they are going to build an entirely new building, connected to OCPE.

plinko · #**987** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 12:40 AM**

Yes.

glynnjamin · #**988** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 3:04 PM**

so what happens to the 20 or so trees that are there already? I'd hate to see them go to waste.

gymratmanaz · #**989** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 3:19 PM**

Hotel VS trees.... hmmmmmmm. I hope the hotel wins.

Kidding, I agree. I hope they find nice new homes for the trees... LIKE ALONG DOWNTOWN STREETS!!!!! or maybe a nice farm in the country where they can play and frolic with other trees. LOL!

glynnjamin · #**990** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 3:32 PM**

I really wish they would build it on the North side instead of the West. That way they could add a few more parking spaces in a garage with a pool on the top level. I really hate that flat parking lot on the north side of the building. I wonder if they still plan on having a second building there.

NorthScottsdale · #**991** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 4:52 PM**

maybe they will build the pool really cool like they did at the W in Scottsdale. The pool is right above the entrance and you can look up through portholes into the pool above.

gymratmanaz · #**992** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 5:52 PM**

Can't build on the north or no other building can go there!!!!!!

nickkoto · #**993** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 6:07 PM**

If they built it on the North, they'd end up with a pool area that never got any sunlight, which would be totally pointless.

Vicelord John · #**994** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 6:14 PM**

I think they should build it sideways in a gravity altered room

glynnjamin · #**995** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 7:00 PM**

I didn't know the sun set north to south...I'm pretty sure a pool on the north side of the building would get sun. I understand they wouldnt be able to build another building but...are they ever going to?

plinko · #**996** Posted **Dec 14, 2009, 11:09 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickkoto

If they built it on the North, they'd end up with a pool area that never got any sunlight, which would be totally pointless.

Am I going to have to bust out the Phoenix sun chart yet again?

nickkoto · #**997** Posted **Dec 15, 2009, 6:54 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by glynnjamin

I didn't know the sun set north to south...I'm pretty sure a pool on the north side of the building would get sun. I understand they wouldnt be able to build another building but...are they ever going to?

No, the sun goes east to west, but since the sun's declination is never greater than 23.5N and we're about 10-ish degrees north of that, the sun is always going to be zenith-angled at least a little bit to the south (and much more so during our winter tourist season).

So if the sun is to the south and you have a stubby 380' tall wall immediately to the south of the area in question, you're going to get a shadow. Of course you'll get some degree of direct sunlight in the mornings and late afternoons (btw, I hope my exaggeration didn't cloud my previous post), but if you come here from up north to escape the snow, you don't want to have your poolside chaise lounge enshrouded in a huge shadow during the middle of every day.

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Originally Posted by plinko

Am I going to have to bust out the Phoenix sun chart yet again?

Maybe I'm not visualizing something right, or the chart would include a lot of morning 6-10am sunlight that's not quite an appealing pool time for most people, but sure, I'd be interested to see how much OCPE casts a shadow on the rest of that lot.

Also, just for shits and grins, I looked at the Google map view of downtown, OCPE is still a parking lot, but Chase Tower's shadow covers the lot quite well at whatever time of day/year that view was shot. All the Bing views look like early morning shots, casting shadows to the WNW.

glynnjamin · #**998** Posted **Dec 15, 2009, 2:24 PM**

I guess I just never envisioned people sitting by the pool in the winter. It's cold out right now. Like hell I'm gonna jump in a pool. I was thinking more summer time sun paths.

Oh well, I don't really care - I just didn't want all those trees to be removed.

plinko · #**999** Posted **Dec 16, 2009, 6:10 AM**

Here's the Phoenix sunpath map. A pool on the north side of the building would get sunlight most of the summer between sunrise and 9AM and between 4pm and sunset. All other times in the middle of the day it would be in shadow. Basically there is at least SOME sun on the north side of the building from the Spring Equinox in March to the Fall Equinox in September.

If you moved the pool about 120 feet to the north, it would no longer be in the building's shadow at 12 noon from Mar to Sep (though it would be during a portion of the late morning and the early afternoon. If the pool was 600 feet to the north of the building, it would theoretically never be in shadow (though it might be from the Chase Tower, I'd have to calculate that).

nickkoto · #**1000** Posted **Dec 16, 2009, 8:48 AM**

^
You're looking at that from the perspective of a local. This is a hotel we're talking about. When do people generally visit here from out of town? What time of year do tee times skyrocket? March-September isn't a good time frame to measure.

Having the pool in the sun (and during the middle of the day) will keep the pool area useful during those not cold Oct-Nov and Feb-April months, when an acclimated Phoenician probably wouldn't think of an 80 degree day as pool weather, but a convention visitor or a snowbird or a Cactus League visitor from say Chicago probably would (especially if the pool is heated).

They'd need to place it so far north of the tower that it would be way off the property. You can look at the Google maps view and even Chase's shadow crosses Polk St.