Burrard Inlet Rapid Transit - Park Royal-Metrotown via 2nd Narrows | BRT/RRT?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Makes sense. TransLink's been hinting that they want to cover Brentwood and Burnaby Heights as well though, so you might need more tunneling around Lougheed and a different depot.

BCIT has a fairly underutilized parking lot at the south end of the campus by Deer Lake Parkway - think they'd be open to talks?

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Makes sense. TransLink's been hinting that they want to cover Brentwood and Burnaby Heights as well though, so you might need more tunneling around Lougheed and a different depot.

BCIT has a fairly underutilized parking lot at the south end of the campus by Deer Lake Parkway - think they'd be open to talks?

A Gilmore exchange isn't the best, but it provides decent coverage for the Brentwood Area. I thought about having an exchange at Brentwood Station, but the location of the underground station would make exchanges awkward like at Commercial-Broadway. You have to walk a few hundred feet and change from above ground to below ground. A Gilmore exchange would be a little more compact and convenient and only have one level of difference. Once the Gilmore Place and Buchanan West plans are done, the area should rival Brentwood in gravity. This alignment should be much cheaper too.

I looked at south BCIT and I think the topography is a little crappy for an OMC. It might be viable though.

Originally Posted by fredinno

Why are go to Gilmore instead of Brentwood?

It should be much cheaper for almost all of the benefit by avoiding a lot of tunnelling and it will provide access to the Burnaby Transit Centre as an OMC.

[madog222]

A single station for BCIT at Goard is more than sufficient, from there is still only a 15min walk to the furthest SE corner of the campus.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by chowhou

I know it intuitively makes sense to go straight through Brentwood Town Centre and connect at the town centre's central Skytrain Station, but I don't think that the purpose of this line is specifically to get people to and from The Amazing Brentwood. The purpose is more-so to have a solid north-south connection between the North Shore and transit exchanges in Burnaby (as well as connecting transit exchanges within Burnaby) in order to provide regional transit connectivity. People going to or coming from the Tri-Cities connecting northbound or southbound from the Millennium line will not be seriously affected, people coming from or going to New West/SoF/South Burnaby and connecting at Metrotown northbound towards the North Shore will not be affected, the only people that will be affected are people that are going to or from Brentwood Town Centre specifically (not Holdom or Gilmore), which I think will be a small minority of the overall ridership.

If my proposed alignment can get the shovels in the ground a decade earlier, I think it's well worth it.

Note that there's also enough space on Brentwood and Willingdon itself to allow for elevated tracks due to the bus lanes already there (slope is also not an issue.)

The main problem are either having to have 2 90 degree turns to get onto the 2nd Narrows, or having to make a 'east crossing' on 2nd Narrows right next to the Parkland refinery (surprisingly, it's still active.) The east crossing on 2nd Narrows in the Phase 1 crossing report avoided the refinery lands.

Originally Posted by madog222

A single station for BCIT at Goard is more than sufficient, from there is still only a 15min walk to the furthest SE corner of the campus.

Canada Way and Goard are almost as well used as each other on 130 (which I showed earlier.)
Also, the Willingdon Lands are centered around the corner of Canada and Willingdon:

Once again - 130:


222 changes the dynamic a bit, but having gone to BCIT, most people just pick whatever bus at whatever bus stop to get the SkyTrain ASAP and aren't particularly picky.
Canada is only a 5 minute walk from Goard.

Deer Lake is a good station for infill/future, as there's a ton of potential development lands there.

Basically everything else between Metrotown and Brentwood is useless (except Still Creek Ave, somewhat surprisingly enough).

Oh yeah, and the guy that suggested they get rid of the Costco for an OMC is dumb.
No one touches the Costcos.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Basically everything else between Metrotown and Brentwood is useless (except Still Creek Ave, somewhat surprisingly enough).

One thing to consider is Metrotown, despite being centered around Kingsway, is fairly deep. That is, a station for the Willingdon line on Central Avenue will not serve residents living in the towers on Hazel Street, or even in the new Concord development that well.

I know the Metrotown plan essentially cuts off at Grange and everything north of that is just SFH. But is it really that hard to imagine in 50 or 100 years that Willingdon from Imperial to Deer lake could be lined with at least mid-rise, if not high-rise buildings? That's why I think a provision should be made for a future infill station somewhere between Grange and Bond. That would leave about 800 metres between that station and the Central and Deer Lake stations.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

To service what, exactly? Nothing there except a few low-rise office buildings.

That's at the western end of the Willingdon Lands.
I could also see the area around the Grand Villa Hotel redeveloped/intensified.


https://infotel.ca/newsitem/planners...-ideas/it92139

[Migrant_Coconut]

One other thing to consider with a Gilmore interchange: Still Creek floods. A lot. Not sure if it ever reaches the station area, but if I'm TransLink, I’ll want an above-grade mezzanine for transfers and a second entrance up the slope, just to be safe.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

One other thing to consider with a Gilmore interchange: Still Creek floods. A lot. Not sure if it ever reaches the station area, but if I'm TransLink, I’ll want an above-grade mezzanine for transfers and a second entrance up the slope, just to be safe.

Even in the worst flooding, Gilmore and Henning usually stays just above the high water mark.

See 2017:

https://globalnews.ca/video/3812723/...ing-in-burnaby

If I recall correctly, Gilmore Place had a proposed integration with the mezzanine level of Gilmore Station. I think that got nixed but if it's possible in the future that would alleviate that issue.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

One thing to consider is Metrotown, despite being centered around Kingsway, is fairly deep. That is, a station for the Willingdon line on Central Avenue will not serve residents living in the towers on Hazel Street, or even in the new Concord development that well.

I know the Metrotown plan essentially cuts off at Grange and everything north of that is just SFH. But is it really that hard to imagine in 50 or 100 years that Willingdon from Imperial to Deer lake could be lined with at least mid-rise, if not high-rise buildings? That's why I think a provision should be made for a future infill station somewhere between Grange and Bond. That would leave about 800 metres between that station and the Central and Deer Lake stations.

https://ca.mapometer.com/walking

Maybe. I'm not really ever against infill stations unless it's not really feasible. Note also though that an infill station would be quite deep, as Willingdon starts to go uphill after Deer Lake all the way up to Kingsway.

Combine that with the very low demand there, and it's just not a very good deal.

There are far more station locations on the existing lines with higher priority, so I have no idea when an infill station would ever be built.

Originally Posted by chowhou

Even in the worst flooding, Gilmore and Henning usually stays just above the high water mark.

See 2017:

https://globalnews.ca/video/3812723/...ing-in-burnaby

If I recall correctly, Gilmore Place had a proposed integration with the mezzanine level of Gilmore Station. I think that got nixed but if it's possible in the future that would alleviate that issue.

Note on the other hand that Gilmore Station is freaking tiny.
It's one of the most minimalistic stations on the Millennium (like Lake City Way.)

If you want to make it a transfer station, that's a lot of work you have to do.

Brentwood is already somewhat overbuilt as-is in comparison, so it'd be much easier to make it a transfer station.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by fredinno

Note on the other hand that Gilmore Station is freaking tiny.
It's one of the most minimalistic stations on the Millennium (like Lake City Way.)

If you want to make it a transfer station, that's a lot of work you have to do.

Brentwood is already somewhat overbuilt as-is in comparison, so it'd be much easier to make it a transfer station.

Gilmore is intentionally built that way because it was designed with integration into a development in mind. It's intentionally modular which makes it an easier choice for an expanded exchange station.

[fredinno]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Gilmore is intentionally built that way because it was designed with integration into a development in mind. It's intentionally modular which makes it an easier choice for an expanded exchange station.

[Citation needed]

[officedweller]

I think the biggest issue would be snaking the elevated guideway through the area.
I figure it would go over Henning Drive then along side and then under or over the M-Line guideway on the Home Depot parking lot (probably under given the hydro lines above), then go over the railway tracks.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by officedweller

I think the biggest issue would be snaking the elevated guideway through the area.
I figure it would go over Henning Drive then along side and then under or over the M-Line guideway on the Home Depot parking lot (probably under given the hydro lines above), then go over the railway tracks.

Based on the topography coming down from Burnaby Heights, it would make more sense for the guideway to go over the M-Line guideway. The transmission lines can be raised, I don't think that's too big of a deal.

[idunno]

Apparently TransLink and Onni couldn't work it out. Zero evidence for this but I'm gonna put the blame on Onni

[madog222]

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[fredinno]

Originally Posted by officedweller

That's at the western end of the Willingdon Lands.
I could also see the area around the Grand Villa Hotel redeveloped/intensified.


https://infotel.ca/newsitem/planners...-ideas/it92139

Technically that's industrial/mixed use land, but it might be revisited due to SkyTrain.

Or not.
BCIT is a technical university, after all.

It's probably not worth it considering the 2 sharp turns required for this.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

To service what, exactly? Nothing there except a few low-rise office buildings.

Burnaby Hospital would be slightly better served by a station at Gilmore/Canada Way than Willingdon/Goard.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

Burnaby Hospital would be slightly better served by a station at Gilmore/Canada Way than Willingdon/Goard.

The hill from Gilmore/Canada Way to Burnaby Hospital is pretty intense. Emergency on the southwest side (ground oriented) is located on the third floor because the hospital is built into the hillside. I don't think a station there would service the hospital very well.

[madog222]

Brentwood is getting more fargates with the current renovation and in should be technically possible to build a transfer corridor completely within the farepaid zone.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by madog222

...in should be technically possible to build a transfer corridor completely within the farepaid zone.

I don't see it, unless you propose demolishing and rebuilding the existing platform.