Winnipeg | 634 Portage Ave | 20F | 215ft | Cancelled

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by DancingDuck

This almost certainly means nothing but I noticed today that the north half of the site had been cleared of snow. It looked like it had been done pretty recently so it was hard to make out if it was just being used for parking.

Here's the hoping.

[WinCitySparky]

Geez looking back I can’t believe it’s been nearly 4 entire years since the proposal first came out. Bananas.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by WinCitySparky

Geez looking back I can’t believe it’s been nearly 4 entire years since the proposal first came out. Bananas.

Some of the delay appear to be Land Titles problems registering the plans in a timely fashion so construction can start.

I see a number of letters from law firms or development consultents to the city community committees asking for extensions to the land rezoning bylaw expiry dates due delays caused by Land Titles.

[WinCitySparky]

So frustrating

[cllew]

I don't know if Land Titles was as slow for registering plans when they were a government agency or if being sold to Teranet back in 2014 by the NDP has made it worse.

[optimusREIM]

Did they have to subdivide the land or do something of that nature? If it was one piece of land why the hell is land titles involved? That said, yes, they are perennially slow. Usually when it comes to subdivisions and issuing new titles from consolidation.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Did they have to subdivide the land or do something of that nature? If it was one piece of land why the hell is land titles involved? That said, yes, they are perennially slow. Usually when it comes to subdivisions and issuing new titles from consolidation.

I believe they were consolidating a few titles which involves LTO registration of a new plan of subdivision.

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by Mr Tall Forehead

I believe they were consolidating a few titles which involves LTO registration of a new plan of subdivision.

The big holdup with the subdivision process is asking for permission from the municipality. Once they give you their blessing then getting it done at land titles is usually a lot faster. Still slower is. Consolidation is one form and a 300 dollar filing fee. Because you don’t need municipal permission you just register the consolidation and off you go. Could be slow if there’s an issue with one of the titles involved, but typically very few questions asked.

[bomberjet]

What's with privatizing things like land titles. Isn't that a super important public governance thing? Like your bloody property ownership title is now managed by a private company?

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

What's with privatizing things like land titles. Isn't that a super important public governance thing? Like your bloody property ownership title is now managed by a private company?

IMO the reason land titles is slow has nothing to do with its private or public ownership. The biggest issue is getting constantly rejected for trivial things, like they don’t like the format of a document you submitted, or that they won’t allow the lawyer to correct something and make the owner re-submit a document. Sometimes I think they’re just trying to give people a hard time, but can’t confirm that. Speaking with colleagues, it sounds like there’s also an issue with the volume of stuff that gets thrown at them and they don’t necessarily get to a submission immediately. I find the same is true of court filings. Not sure if it’s a staff issue or something else, but I can say our filing systems in general have not changed much over the past several decades, and I can say that Manitoba seems extremely resistant to change of any kind to those systems, even if it would bring us in line with most other jurisdictions. Which to me might be the most Manitoba thing ever.

[bomberjet]

I don't really care about the slowness. I'm speaking more about something super important for the public in general, land ownership, being controlled by a company.

Manitoba Health recently changed to electronic filing, which is huge. I notice a big difference with all my kids, especially going through SSCY and even to Montreal. Things go a lot more smoothly and way faster.

But I do find legal stuff to be super ancient. Like law firms and that. They need to have a wet signature on a paper, then fax it over to so and so. Then file it in their big vault with all the wills and other shit from 1940. Get over it already.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I don't really care about the slowness. I'm speaking more about something super important for the public in general, land ownership, being controlled by a company.

Manitoba Health recently changed to electronic filing, which is huge. I notice a big difference with all my kids, especially going through SSCY and even to Montreal. Things go a lot more smoothly and way faster.

But I do find legal stuff to be super ancient. Like law firms and that. They need to have a wet signature on a paper, then fax it over to so and so. Then file it in their big vault with all the wills and other shit from 1940. Get over it already.

legal stuff require us to change laws

[bomberjet]

From my perspective with work, engineering. We execute billions upon billions of dollars in work every year across the country including in Manitoba, with actual public safety at risk. And we use electronic signatures for everything. Not even Notaris or other background check approved, etc signatured. Just basic electronic signatures from your PDF viewer. Signing contacts, reports, letters, whatever. And that's the standard.

But for lawyers, They need you in the office to put your initials on each page and sign the end. By you I mean them, their employees, the clients. It's ridiculous. Change the laws to make it not that way I guess. But the old dogs are set in their ways. (My mom works at a law firm so I hear all the shit).

[Winnipeg Grump]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

From my perspective with work, engineering. We execute billions upon billions of dollars in work every year across the country including in Manitoba, with actual public safety at risk. And we use electronic signatures for everything. Not even Notaris or other background check approved, etc signatured. Just basic electronic signatures from your PDF viewer. Signing contacts, reports, letters, whatever. And that's the standard.

But for lawyers, They need you in the office to put your initials on each page and sign the end. By you I mean them, their employees, the clients. It's ridiculous. Change the laws to make it not that way I guess. But the old dogs are set in their ways. (My mom works at a law firm so I hear all the shit).

This is mostly driven by provincial legislation. For example, real estate transactions still requiring a wet signature is pretty much only a Manitoba thing, as the other jurisdictions have all updated their legislation. Even then, it isn't blanket, as some things we get to use digital while some are forced to be wet.

I can almost guarantee you that this isn't being driven by the lawyers except in cases where you have some 80-year old relic still kicking around.

[cllew]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I don't really care about the slowness. I'm speaking more about something super important for the public in general, land ownership, being controlled by a company.

Manitoba Health recently changed to electronic filing, which is huge. I notice a big difference with all my kids, especially going through SSCY and even to Montreal. Things go a lot more smoothly and way faster.

But I do find legal stuff to be super ancient. Like law firms and that. They need to have a wet signature on a paper, then fax it over to so and so. Then file it in their big vault with all the wills and other shit from 1940. Get over it already.

The idea was that Teranet would be able to leverage the technology that they use running Land Titles Ontario to manage the Manitoba Land titles and the Manitoba Personal Property Registration system.

It is sort of the same thinking that the Prov Govt used with divesting drivers licensing. DVL had old obsolete systems/equipment (think rows of data entry staff and impact printing from a company that went out of business) and it was eventually decided that they should transfer those responsibilities over to MPI as MPI could update things quicker than a govt department could do and use MPI's newer existing equipment.

[Jack1983]

I drove past this site last week and thought I saw a Bockstael sign on the property. Can anyone confirm that?

[WinCitySparky]

I’ll look this week and report back

[drew]

Its just signage for construction related parking for a project Bockstael is doing nearby (Agape Table?).

So nothing construction related to this particular lot.

[Outlandish18]

Any update on this?

[DonaldSmith]

P3 is selling the development for $6.5M.

https://commercial.p3realtyservices....ortage-avenue/