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[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown

Please make the inside nice. Please make the inside nice. Please make the inside nice.

I’m sure that it will be gorgeous. This will be the House of the Lord.

Praise the Lawd!

[The New York Lion]

Caput mundi!

Caput mundi!

They come from far and wide to genuflect at her greatness!

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by The New York Lion

Caput mundi!

Caput mundi!

They come from far and wide to genuflect at her greatness!

Well said, my good man!

[Zerton]

This seems like it would be a logistics nightmare. Glad it's happening though.

[The New York Lion]

1. 2nd phase of Hudson Yards + adjacent developments
2. PA Bus Terminal
3. Penn Station towers + Vornado towers

This side of Manhattan will have north of 25 very large towers all clustered together.

It may overtake Midtown Manhattan in terms of jaw-dropping scale.

The entire island will be Coruscant by 2050.

The march to 100 supertalls continues apace.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by The New York Lion

1. 2nd phase of Hudson Yards + adjacent developments
2. PA Bus Terminal
3. Penn Station towers + Vornado towers

This side of Manhattan will have north of 25 very large towers all clustered together.

It may overtake Midtown Manhattan in terms of jaw-dropping scale.

The entire island will be Coruscant by 2050.

The march to 100 supertalls continues apace.

That is Midtown Manhattan

[The New York Lion]

Originally Posted by MAC123

That is Midtown Manhattan

Midtown East*

[JMKeynes]

Originally Posted by The New York Lion

Midtown East*

I’m a life-long New Yorker, and I don’t consider 10th Ave and 40th St to be Midtown. It’s Hell’s Kitchen.

I agree with your point. Excellent, as always, my good man!

[chris08876]

I'm hoping we see a boom on the level of the last where both HY Phase II, PA Terminal, Penn District and Midtown East go rampant.

I feel at this moment we are seeing the very tail end of the last boom, with many projects at the stages of being complete or have recently been complete but I'm not really seeing that spike, at least based on some of the permits being issued. It has slowed down but let's hope we get a Bloomberg style boom in the works within the next 2-3 years.

Not to say things aren't occurring but it's not that warp speed like in the past where the whole city was "literally" littered in cranes. I hope 2023 kicks it up a notch!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

I’m a life-long New Yorker, and I don’t consider 10th Ave and 40th St to be Midtown. It’s Hell’s Kitchen.

I agree with your point. Excellent, as always, my good man!

Midtown, and Midtown proper are two different things. Everyone knows midtown is between 14th-59th streets. Midtown proper is more defined, and has more to do with where the office towers are concentrated. Even the ESB isn’t really considered a part of that. But technically speaking, even the Javits is in Midtown.

[NYguy]

Going back to google earth views as we look more closely at the sites of the planned towers.

SITE 4

2.3 MSF Office Tower


This tower would be located at the far western end of the development. It would sit just west of the new ramp structure. It would have a footprint in size roughly equal to or slightly smaller than One Vanderbilt. Because it sits directly over a tunnel opening, there will not be as much sublevel space here as it could be, giving the tower more elevation.
















As it is today....

[NYguy]

For zoning purposes, some comparisons with recent additions…..(total size - vs allowable FAR)


ONE VANDERBILT

1.653 m - 1.298 m (30 FAR)





CENTRAL PARK TOWER

1.617 m - 1.212 m (13.3 FAR)





STEINWAY TOWER

.581 m/entire building - .296 m /new addition. (12.8 FAR)





432 PARK AVENUE

.748 m (all buildings) - .595 m (14 FAR)





THE SPIRAL

2.609 m - 2.222 m (33 FAR)





50 HUDSON

2.868 m - 2.265 m (33FAR)





270 PARK

2.420 m - 1.863 m (23 FAR)

[NYguy]

https://www.nj.com/news/2023/07/port...n-of-cash.html

Port Authority Bus Terminal replacement gets $65M infusion of cash


Jul. 05, 2023

There are no bulldozers, cranes and platoons of orange-vested construction crews working on the two massive buildings on 42nd Street between Seventh and Ninth avenues. But engineers, planners and architects are at work and the Port Authority’s board pumped another $65 million into the project to keep them working.

Of the $65 million approved on June 22, $49 million is added to a contract with WSP, hired in 2017 for the first phase of design, engineering work and to prepare an Environmental Impact Statement, Rick Cotton, Port Authority executive director told reporters last week.

.....The new design is a ground-up replacement, introduced in January, that would include a five-story bus terminal, a close to 1-million square-feet of bus storage and staging building between 9th and 10th avenues, and a bigger set of ramps directly to and from the Lincoln Tunnel. It would provide five floors for buses and 160 passenger gates.

The new terminal design also includes infrastructure for future construction of four high-rise towers over portions of the new bus terminal that could help fund it, through sale of air rights and payments in lieu of taxes shared by the city with the authority.

The added funding “will keep everybody at work,” Cotton said.

“This is a complicated project, there have been other fund provided in the run up,” he said. “WSP was one of the early consultant s hired to work on the planning on the preparation of the environmental review.”

No date is projected when the draft environmental impact statement could be completed, a spokesperson said Friday. That document would trigger another round of public hearings about what that analysis says, a response and possible modifications to the plans before it is submitted to the FTA for a decision.

.....Last August, the authority hired Foster + Partners and A. Epstein and Sons International, Inc., as an architectural design team, for the bus terminal which are still at work.

“We have very high aspirations,” Cotton said. “We want it to be an architectural gem, we want it to be highly functional in it’s capacity to handle buses.”

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[NYguy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/n...placement.html

A Look at the $10 Billion Design for a New Port Authority Bus Terminal
The Port Authority unveiled a revised design for a replacement of the much-reviled transit hub, which opened in 1950.





By Patrick McGeehan
Feb. 1, 2024

It has taken a full decade to conceive, but a $10 billion transformation of New York City’s dreary main bus terminal may get rolling in the next few months.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which operates the terminal, unveiled an updated design for its replacement on Thursday. Instead of the dismal, brick hulk that has darkened two full blocks of Midtown Manhattan for over 70 years, there would be a bright, modern transit hub topped by two office towers.

Construction is expected to take eight years, he said, meaning the project could be completed by 2032. Planning was delayed at least a year by the coronavirus pandemic.

A previous design that had included building towers on Port Authority property near the terminal has been scaled back. The revised plan calls for fewer new buildings, with office towers that could be more than 60 stories tall on Eighth Avenue at the corners of 40th and 42nd Streets. Payments from the developers of those buildings would help cover the cost of the project, Mr. Cotton said.

The project would be built in two four-year phases.

The first would involve constructing a separate building west of the terminal to serve as a storage and staging area for buses, as well as ramps to connect the terminal directly to the Lincoln Tunnel. The second phase would consist of building the new terminal where the old one now stands without disrupting the flow of buses that stream in and out of the city at rush hours.

[Busy Bee]

Oh that's delicious

[NYguy]

You can see the changes here. More exposed ramp, and no residential.









But the renderings of the station are marvelous.

[NYguy]

https://commercialobserver.com/2024/...-retail-space/

Port Authority Bus Terminal Redevelopment to Add Office and Retail Space
$10B Project Could Start This Year, Although Funding Is Uncertain





BY MARK HALLUM
FEBRUARY 1, 2024

Two office towers and an unknown amount of retail space will come with the redevelopment of Port Authority Bus Terminal.

Those two pieces of the plan were among the revelations at a Thursday press conference by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey during which agency leaders outlined a $10 billion financing plan and renderings for the rebuild of the 73-year-old facility that it hopes to start this year.

It’s too early to tell how much office or retail space will be available to potential tenants, but Rick Cotton, the executive director of the Port Authority, told reporters that the agency is looking to markets far enough in the future to dodge the distress currently seen in the office market.

“The first buildings that are gonna get built are the station and storage building and the ramps. That’s the next four, four and a half years in front of us,” Cotton said. “The exact design in terms of the retail space, beverage space, and certainly the office buildings, are 10 years away.”

The main terminal will span 2.1 million square feet. Much of the retail space will face outward. and the permanent closure of West 41st Street between Eighth and Ninth avenues will provide more retail within an indoor atrium. A temporary terminal and new ramps are scheduled for completion in 2028 while demolition of the current building is underway.

The new main terminal will be completed in 2032, and crews could break ground before the end of 2024, according to the Port Authority.

The Port Authority plans to spend $10 billion on the rebuild with $1 billion coming from a Federal Transit Administration loan, which has not been granted at this time. An unknown amount of the funding will come from payment in lieu of taxes from whomever is chosen as a partner in the development of the office towers.

[NYguy]

A little more reading and thoughts on the development of the new bus terminal and towers.


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The bus terminal itself will rise to 160 ft+. That's 16 stories in some cases. It will be a massive structure.

The skyscrapers above will be set back from the street.


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Street level retail will go a long way to activating the streets along this massive building, great considering the various residential developments being built around it.

A look at the breakdown of the various levels inside the terminal.


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I would prefer it if the deck over lot 10 were extended over to 10th Avenue to get the full block park.


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A look at a couple of conceptual renderings, not the Foster renderings we have seen.


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One thing about this terminal, as I mentioned earlier, it will be 160 ft+, more than twice the height of the current terminal.

To put that into perspective, it will be higher than the first setback of the McGraw Hill Building, wrapping around from 8th Avenue to 11th Avenue.


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[NYguy]

Big improvement.


https://www.world-architects.com/ima...c.c4b964ca.jpg





















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[NYguy]

^ Good catch.