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Originally Posted by The North One
Which is an arbitrary government line. Regions usually go beyond such lines.
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i don't see international borders as being arbitrary in the same light as city limits or state borders. international borders have very real consequences.
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Originally Posted by The North One
Midwest itself is a total nonsensical arbitrary term that really should have stopped being popularly used a century ago.
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nonsensical, arbitrary, or otherwise, "the midwest" is a term that is still very much popularly used to this day whether you like it or not. and it was in fact the region that was being discussed.
to the best of my knowledge, no part of canada has ever been included in "the midwest", thus the omission of toronto from the discussion was in no way arbitrary, despite your accusations.
chicago is the "1st city" of the midwest.
on that i would think there can be no argument.
detroit is the "2nd city" of the midwest.
but minneapolis is nipping at detroit's heels and that was the basis of what people were talking about.
toronto is the "1st city" of canada and isn't relevant to discussions of the urban pecking order of the midwest.