Solving the Metro Vancouver Industrial Land Shortage?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by s211

OK, I'm going to bet that for seismic reasons this can't be done in our region, but this is insane: instead of remediating a hot site, build a few hundred feet below the surface ?!?!?!?!? It's not as if there's a land shortage in the greater Chicago region, as far as I'd know.

https://theinvertchicago.com/

There aren't too many 'hot sites' left in Greater Vancouver to deal with. The ones we had have mostly been successfully remediated, or capped and reused (mostly as parks). The seismic issue would make it difficult, but our geology would make it impossible. While there's a huge area of limestone on Vancouver Island (and on Texada Island) the glacial materials here wouldn't work in the same way. That's why tunnelling for transit isn't easy.

Developers could dig big holes to put industry underground, but it's not obvious what the advantage would be, here. We usually stick the parking underneath, unless the ground conditions don't work to even allow that. Having said that, it's exactly what BC Hydro are going to do under Nelson Park - but the new substation that will be buried there will still have a big pit dug out, not a tunelled chamber like the Chicago example, which just seems to be a workaround to avoid having to clean up the old steelworks and the contamination. I'm not clear how they avoid contaminated runoff seeping into the lower levels of limestone in that example.

[GenWhy?]

That looks prohibitively expensive.

[SeymourDrake]

Has there ever been a group look into claiming ocean space like they've done on various projects around the world?

Like Dubai for example.

I mean how deep is too deep?

I get that it might be to heavy a cost to benefit from it long term.

What about digging under the Airport property?

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by SeymourDrake

Has there ever been a group look into claiming ocean space like they've done on various projects around the world?

Like Dubai for example.

I mean how deep is too deep?

I get that it might be to heavy a cost to benefit from it long term.

What about digging under the Airport property?

There is a perimeter around Roberts Bank that is slowly being reclaimed, it's possible in the future that that area (Along with the Tsawwassen lands) will have some utilization as industrial land.

The Port of Vancouver also slowly is building out the Vancouver waterfront, it just doesn't happen nearly as quickly or abruptly here as in Dubai or Hong Kong or Shanghai.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by chowhou

There is a perimeter around Roberts Bank that is slowly being reclaimed, it's possible in the future that that area (Along with the Tsawwassen lands) will have some utilization as industrial land.

The Port of Vancouver also slowly is building out the Vancouver waterfront, it just doesn't happen nearly as quickly or abruptly here as in Dubai or Hong Kong or Shanghai.

Seems like they'll still have enough bog/farm land to snatch away before they have to consider land reclamation for industrial land while expansion on Roberts Bank is more for their transportation infrastructure including the Roberts Bank Terminal 2 project currently in review:

https://www.robertsbankterminal2.com...ject-overview/

[Migrant_Coconut]

Assuming it survived the backlash (myself included) and the environmental reviews, English Bay and Deadman's Island are "shallow" and close to downtown enough for it to be worthwhile. You'd still need some really deep pockets though.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Assuming it survived the backlash (myself included) and the environmental reviews, English Bay and Deadman's Island are "shallow" and close to downtown enough for it to be worthwhile. You'd still need some really deep pockets though.

Sounds like time to revisit the Port in Kitsilano. That should go over well with the neighbours.


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[Migrant_Coconut]

Hah! Well it's either that or the Stanley Park Bowling Club; would you rather take your chances with the NIMBYs, or the NIMBYs, treehuggers and bike lobby?

[jollyburger]

Another multi-storey industrial proposal (?)

9171 BECKWITH RD





http://wchong-architect.com/beckwith/

[jollyburger]

Article on 1308 Adanac. Says the top floors of office went to a daycare and daycare training company:

Michael Chiang, founder of the three-year-old development company, says the boutique strata building is named after its address, 1308 Adanac. It gives owner-occupiers and investors the opportunity to buy into a market that shows all signs of growing.

With a premium on central land and increased demand during the past couple of years for centrally located light industrial, the appeal for owners of the units is that they will grow equity instead of paying increasing lease rates.

CBRE launched presales in early March and has sold the two top floors of office space to a daycare and daycare training facility.

The remaining nine units of industrial are on the market for $675 to $775 per square foot, depending on the unit. Units are configurable in the 30,905-square-foot building, but most will likely cater to those needing 2,000 to 3,000 square feet.

In an email, Chiang said that due to geographic constraints, more businesses are finding “a more nimble footprint within city limits,” while also finding spaces for bulk storage and distribution needs outside the city. As a relatively new product, stacked industrial serves the small- to mid-size user.

“Industrial strata pricing as a whole is primarily driven by land acquisition and construction costs — both of which have seen significant increases in the last 12 months, so we expect pricing for end units to continue to rise as well for the foreseeable future.”

https://renx.ca/union-allied-adds-to...strata-market/

[hollywoodnorth]

on the topic of MULTISTORY.

here is the new (open soon) MASSIVE Walmart Distro in Campbell Valley in Surrey. (https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...-south-surrey/)


my pic

AND ... I stumbled upon this one I could use some help figuring out who owns it and whats its for.

I think it was purpose built for a client that is now now being subletting part of it. But what do I know. It has roof top parking and is THREE stories. awesome to see this intensive use and we will only see more throughout the metro. this link says it is an owner occupier >> https://flre.ca/insights/campbell-he...dustrial-2019/ . for such a massive building I am surprised we have not heard a peep about it on here.


my pic. sorry I didnt get a good pic of the whole building some security guy was looking at me odd. but its basically finished. it is located here at the corner of 190st and 38 ave

here is the empty lot >> https://www.google.com/maps/@49.0703.../data=!3m1!1e3

and here she is under construction >> https://goo.gl/maps/hWwAgD4JBCiG1HNJ6

[jollyburger]

I think it's this one?

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...rey-warehouse/

Overview of the area:

https://www.surrey.ca/sites/default/...sinessPark.pdf

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

I think it's this one?

https://www.surreynowleader.com/news...rey-warehouse/

Overview of the area:

https://www.surrey.ca/sites/default/...sinessPark.pdf

yup thats it.

"Tenants of the 37,478 sq.m. building have yet to be determined, however, four are anticipated, the report notes, and the applicant has agreed to register a restrictive covenant to prohibit any use that requires a Metro Vancouver air-quality permit."

still "top secret" 2 years later. LOL

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

yup thats it.

"Tenants of the 37,478 sq.m. building have yet to be determined, however, four are anticipated, the report notes, and the applicant has agreed to register a restrictive covenant to prohibit any use that requires a Metro Vancouver air-quality permit."

still "top secret" 2 years later. LOL

I don't think there's a secret? There are just no tenants. It is a spec warehouse project at 0.56 FSR; apparently precast concrete walls, and it's only one storey (high bay warehouse designed to look like three to break up the massing, presumably). (193 of the 369 parking spaces are on the roof, like that entire block Yaletown warehouse built by Hudson's Bay in 1948, and converted to offices leased to SAP). It can be divided into four separate units. The Starline windows manufacturing plant, warehouse and office was developed as an earlier project on the adjacent part of the the same block of land (addressed to 36th Avenue). I don't think the Walmart building has more than one storey either, apart from the small office component.

[jollyburger]

Metro Vancouver had a presentation from Colliers on industrial land intensification:

http://www.metrovancouver.org/boards...-May-7_AGE.pdf

And a Surrey Board of Trade tour of Campbell Heights by Lee Associates back in August:

https://businessinsurrey.com/wp-cont...ation-Copy.pdf

Amazon, Starline Windows, Save-On, Loblaws, Walmart, Sobeys, Sleep Country, Flynn

[SpongeG]

I stumbled upon the area in the spring by accident while out on a random drive, its pretty crazy all of a sudden you are in an area with massive warehouses and buildings with offices, restaurants etc. So much going on in that area.

don't forget this one. It is under construction out there. The China World Trade Centre. A development partnership by a China state-owned company and a local developer.



https://www.raphaeljohnpierre.com/bl...n+Surrey%2C+Bc

this is a more updated article of interest which also mentions the complex.
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...nts-with-china

[casper]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I stumbled upon the area in the spring by accident while out on a random drive, its pretty crazy all of a sudden you are in an area with massive warehouses and buildings with offices, restaurants etc. So much going on in that area.

don't forget this one. It is under construction out there. The China World Trade Centre. A development partnership by a China state-owned company and a local developer.



https://www.raphaeljohnpierre.com/bl...n+Surrey%2C+Bc

this is a more updated article of interest which also mentions the complex.
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...nts-with-china

Sounds similar to the one in Regina (that claims to be the first). https://www.thegtec.com/about/

Not certain about this one but the one in Regina sells small store spaces in the complex to families wanting to relocate from China and setup a Canadian import business. Some view it as a legitimate business enterprise, others as an immigration scam. As far as I can tell it is like shopping alibaba for wholesale products just instead of online you do it in real life in an industrial wholesale oriented mall.

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

I stumbled upon the area in the spring by accident while out on a random drive, its pretty crazy all of a sudden you are in an area with massive warehouses and buildings with offices, restaurants etc. So much going on in that area.

don't forget this one. It is under construction out there. The China World Trade Centre. A development partnership by a China state-owned company and a local developer.



https://www.raphaeljohnpierre.com/bl...n+Surrey%2C+Bc

this is a more updated article of interest which also mentions the complex.
https://vancouversun.com/opinion/col...nts-with-china

does anyone have an address for the The China World Trade Centre in Surrey? I cant seem to find one online myself.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

does anyone have an address for the The China World Trade Centre in Surrey? I cant seem to find one online myself.

I think they said 3450 192 St.

192nd Street/36th Avenue

https://www.surreynowleader.com/busi...-south-surrey/

[hollywoodnorth]

I did not know about this but apparently when GLOUCESTER INDUSTRIAL PARK was planned in the late 70's there was a golf course planned to run through it. but that never happened and the land is now more or less "natural" but apparently it will be developed in some form >>
https://www.beedie.ca/industrial-rea...-suit-langley/



pic from link below


https://www.beedie.ca/industrial-rea...-suit-langley/