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An Installation That May Give Way to a Casino
The developer of a site near the U.N. plans a temporary “Path of Liberty” installation while he awaits a casino decision.






By James Barron
Dec. 10, 2024


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The word is semiquincentennial, the term for a 250th anniversary. Hershman — the chief executive of the Soloviev Group, the development firm that hopes to build a casino on a six-plus-acre site near the United Nations — is planning a display on the site to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

That is not until 2026. But Hershman decided to get a head start with giant video screens and interviews from across the country. The installation, “Path of Liberty: That Which United Us,” is being underwritten by the charitable arm of the company and will open in the spring, months before state regulators decide which applicants to license for up to three new casinos in the New York City area.
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Hershman said his company would do nothing with its site on First Avenue — except for “Path of Liberty” — “until we learn if we get the license.” If not, the company will go back to its original plan, which he said was to build apartments and commercial space.

“Path of Liberty” will replace a walk-through installation with 17,000 lights that closed recently. Hershman said he decided on “Path of Liberty” after becoming “frustrated” by the national debate about democracy “because it was political.”

“It wasn’t much about thinking back to how the country came into being,” he said. “I thought to myself, we ought to start thinking about how to celebrate this.”
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Something amazing needs to be built here. Such a wasted site. From the webcam....







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Is there a height limit for these towers? Not only was Solow’s proposal lame per se, but all of the towers were short.
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Is there a height limit for these towers? Not only was Solow’s proposal lame per se, but all of the towers were short.
I don't remember the exact specifics, but there is already an approved site plan.


Here's more on that...


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Council Approves Development Plans for Former Con Ed Site in New York City

By the Editors of Commercial Property Executive
March 13, 2008


The New York City Council Land Use Committee has voted to approve a plan for the development of the former Con Edison site. Plans calling for a park at the site, between 38th and 41st Streets on the city’s east side, just south of the United Nations, can now be solidified. The changes include the granting, by developer Sheldon Solow, of an easement to the city to allow a deck to be built over the FDR highway. Solow also agreed to reduce the planned heights for some of the future buildings, which will help the redesign blend with the neighborhood.






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Thanks, so while Soloviev is bound by the tower heights that his father agreed to, he can presumably change the bland, Meier designs.
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Thanks, so while Soloviev is bound by the tower heights that his father agreed to, he can presumably change the bland, Meier designs.
BIG is working on the design, both for the casino proposal, and the site plan if that doesn't go through. Soloviev can always return to approvals if he wants to change anything previously agreed to.
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A casino likely won't be chosen for this site. Since it is primarily going to be housing, the city should upzone this site to accommodate more housing as it is doing with other sites across the city.


At the very least, this site needs a 900 footer, a focal point on that part of the skyline. (Other than the UN)



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I wonder if BIG also is designing 10 W 57th.
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I wonder if BIG also is designing 10 W 57th.
Could be. But they’ve got to decide what they’re building there.
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Could be. But they’ve got to decide what they’re building there.
That's true, but BIG could design office or residential. Based upon the company's most recent statement, they seem to be leaning toward hotel/condo. This is a hyper-prime site for that.
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A shame this one is held up waiting on a Casino license it has very little chance of getting. Hopefully once the licenses are decided this can pivot quickly, it's too good of a site to be empty for as long as it has.





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A shame this one is held up waiting on a Casino license it has very little chance of getting. Hopefully once the licenses are decided this can pivot quickly, it's too good of a site to be empty for as long as it has.

BIG has designed both versions of the development (casino and residential). They've only released the designs of the casino proposal. But if they don't get the license, which will be decided this year, they can pivot easily with plans.



https://www.archpaper.com/2024/02/bi...casino-museum/

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”We could break ground on the project tomorrow if we wanted to,” Hershman said. “But when we learned that the state of New York was considering issuing downstate casino licenses, we changed our vision. We thought to ourselves, ‘Wouldn’t it be better for the community, and for the city, and for the state, to turn this site into an entertainment district? With almost five acres of parks, residential towers, hostels, gaming facilities, and a museum?”


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Hershman said he’s made several concessions to appease the concerns. There won’t be any entrances on First Avenue, and the casino would bus people directly from Grand Central to cut down on traffic.

“There’s going to be development there whether you like it or not,” he said.

“We have the right to build four towers and, under the plans we have approved now, there would be higher traffic volume, less security and less convenience than this improved plan. So they have a choice.”
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https://gothamist.com/news/next-to-t...sino-thrown-in

Next to the U.N., a proposed Museum of Democracy … with a casino thrown in?





By Arun Venugopal
Apr 7, 2025


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Michael Hershman is the CEO of the Soloviev Group, a company hoping to build a casino and park where many wouldn’t expect: next to the United Nations.

But Hershman is less interested in discussing the nuts and bolts of the site – the 8,000 permanent jobs it would potentially generate, the residential towers that would overlook the East River, the casino itself – than in an attraction he said would define the $10 billion project: a Museum of Freedom and Democracy, at a time when he said democracy is under threat.

“ I just don't think some of the folks in this country are appreciative enough of what we have,” Hershman told Gothamist in an interview. “So I want to stimulate this conversation. And it's a perfect place to do it: New York City.”
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The proposed museum is just one component of the 6-acre mixed-use development, Freedom Plaza, that would stretch from 38th to 41st streets east of First Avenue, on the site of the former Con Edison power plant.

It would also include high-rise residential towers, 1,250 hotel rooms, 500 units of affordable housing and parkland. Below street level would be a 295,000-square-foot casino — the moneymaker, as it were, to fuel the aspirations of the museum.
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Freedom Plaza, with a casino that would be run by Mohegan, won support from some local residents, who said they were swayed by the plans for nearly 5 acres of green space as well as a commitment that a portion of the project’s profits would flow to the community.

However, it has drawn the ire of other locals, who said they were opposed to the presence of a casino, that too one within spitting distance of the iconic U.N. Secretariat building, and less focused on the museum.
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Vandana Nadgar, an area resident, said the Turtle Bay neighborhood was home to many “international families” associated with the U.N. and played host to the world’s leaders every September for the U.N. General Assembly.

“Our neighborhood is quiet and peaceful most of the time,” Nadgar said. “I am afraid that [a casino] might attract an unruly, loud and disruptive crowd.”

Sandra McKee, the head of Manhattan Community Board 6, said the property was privately owned and did not require zoning clearances. As such, it would not be subject to the city’s extensive Uniform Land Use Review Procedure, or ULURP, meaning that board members would not have the opportunity to vote on its merits. So far, McKee said, there had been little in the way of communication between the board and developers.
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Jim Burnett, the president of OJB, the landscape architecture firm contracted by the developers, said the project would include 4.8 acres of parkspace — a “ green blanket of landscape,” in his words — that would include 350 trees, including native and adaptive species.

At its highest, he said, the park would rise 45 to 50 feet over the East River, providing “dramatic” views of the entire area. In keeping with the theme of freedom, an amphitheater would be installed for programmed events and “free speech,” he said.

“It really will be a special place,” Burnett said.
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Jon Harari, the president of the Murray Hill Neighborhood Association, said he supported the project, in part because “ there's not that much open space where we live.”

He said Soloviev and its partners had closely engaged with his group and followed through on its suggestions, including a commitment to funnel 2% of the casino’s proceeds into community groups, which he said would amount to a minimum of $5 million annually.

“I think that that's going to be a wonderful thing for the neighborhood association to take advantage of all those resources,” Harari said.
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Hershman, the developer, took some of the criticism of the project in stride.

“ I don't know any community board that really wants to have a casino in the neighborhood,” he said, adding that the casino would be built “underground” and not be visible from First Avenue.

“ We want to maintain the character of the neighborhood. We don't wanna bring Las Vegas to the east side of Manhattan,” he said.
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Although the project is not subject to the city’s land use review process, community board members and city officials said it will require buy-in from local elected officials, some of whom would constitute a community advisory committee designed to vet each of the projects competing for a downstate casino license.

Projects need to secure two-thirds of votes of each community advisory committee to remain in contention for a license, according to the state’s Gaming Facility Location Board. The board is expected to award up to three downstate licenses by the end of 2025.
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