[Surrey] GEC Education Centre | 165m | 49 fl | Proposed

[Hooknose]

Originally Posted by Shift

12.23 FAR on gross site area as per Design Panel minutes.

We are all focused on how high and how big. Does anyone have an idea of how much parking is going into this project.

At 1 spot per 1,000 .. they would need a out 500 spots. That is about half the size of pacific centre.

Is there any use for that much parking in close proximity to a skytrain and an LRT and a bus loop.

On top of which, the site - after subtraction of the new road, is about 30,000 sq ft that means 5 floors or more of parking going way down.

[EhJay]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

We are all focused on how high and how big. Does anyone have an idea of how much parking is going into this project.

At 1 spot per 1,000 .. they would need a out 500 spots. That is about half the size of pacific centre.

Is there any use for that much parking in close proximity to a skytrain and an LRT and a bus loop.

On top of which, the site - after subtraction of the new road, is about 30,000 sq ft that means 5 floors or more of parking going way down.

I can see them building a fair amount of parking way down, but imagine that with it being an education centre that part of their plan will be to get the CoS to drop the required parking spaces down due to a) close proximity to skytrain b) on site living c) that it's a giant education centre and many students don't drive.

[SFUVancouver]

I could also see them incorporating a fairly large public parking capacity, recognizing their central location in an emerging CBD. Perhaps they build out parking to standard ratios, avoiding the fight with the City to lower the number, with the intention to swing parking from residential to commercial once operational parking demands stabilize?

[Shift]

I've heard from a reliable source that it will be the deepest underground parking in Surrey. They will be going down 8 levels.

[Jebby]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

At 1 spot per 1,000 .. they would need a out 500 spots. That is about half the size of pacific centre.

Is there any use for that much parking in close proximity to a skytrain and an LRT and a bus loop.

500 spots isn't really that excessive.

And being in such close proximity to various modes of transit is all the more reason to have a lot of parking. Having day/month parking near transit is great for people who otherwise don't use their car much and don't have parking in their own building. Or for people who would like a park and ride option in the "city center"

[Hooknose]

Originally Posted by Shift

I've heard from a reliable source that it will be the deepest underground parking in Surrey. They will be going down 8 levels.

I have never even heard of a parking structure that goes 8 levels deep.

Can you imagine a hundred cars trying to get out, all with their engines running?

Surrey Central is going to have 10 structures like this before it is built out. How are 5,000 cars going to go in and out on that street network.

Far better to build a 5,000 car garage somewhere on the skytrain and allow free transit to Surrey Central.

[Alex Mackinnon]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

I have never even heard of a parking structure that goes 8 levels deep.

Can you imagine a hundred cars trying to get out, all with their engines running?

Surrey Central is going to have 10 structures like this before it is built out. How are 5,000 cars going to go in and out on that street network.

Far better to build a 5,000 car garage somewhere on the skytrain and allow free transit to Surrey Central.

The ventilation isn't that hard. You should see the creekside parking lot in Whistler on a powder day. It's got about 3000 underground spots, and the lineup to leave is sometime about 20 minutes.

This kind of thing isn't as big of a deal since cars have gotten better for emissions, and if EVs take up any significant market share in the near future it would be a non-issue.

[Shift]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

I have never even heard of a parking structure that goes 8 levels deep.

Can you imagine a hundred cars trying to get out, all with their engines running?

Surrey Central is going to have 10 structures like this before it is built out. How are 5,000 cars going to go in and out on that street network.

Far better to build a 5,000 car garage somewhere on the skytrain and allow free transit to Surrey Central.

Are you aware that they are 'fine-graining' the street network? This project will facilitate a piece of that by dedicating a new section of 102 Ave and a new rear lane.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

I have never even heard of a parking structure that goes 8 levels deep.

Can you imagine a hundred cars trying to get out, all with their engines running?

Surrey Central is going to have 10 structures like this before it is built out. How are 5,000 cars going to go in and out on that street network.

Far better to build a 5,000 car garage somewhere on the skytrain and allow free transit to Surrey Central.

We are very fortunate to live in a region where public transit is not looked down upon, and that it is actually encouraged. You point out a very good fact that supports the need of more effective rapid transit within Surrey (I say Skytrain to Langley). Surrey Central is aggressively becoming the city centre south of the Fraser River and these road alignments are proving it.

[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by scryer

Surrey Central is aggressively becoming the city centre south of the Fraser River and these road alignments are proving it.

The very road alignments that are planned will also be shared with a surrounding LRT line that becomes an impediment to regular traffic trying to get out of such parkades, including goods movers.

[CoryHolmes]

Originally Posted by Shift

I've heard from a reliable source that it will be the deepest underground parking in Surrey. They will be going down 8 levels.

Guy in a yellow vest?

[Shift]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

The very road alignments that are planned will also be shared with a surrounding LRT line that becomes an impediment to regular traffic trying to get out of such parkades, including goods movers.

The LRT will be routed down 104 Ave, City Parkway, and 102 Ave through the area. All existing roads.

City Parkway will be pedestrianized between 103 Ave and 102 Ave once LRT is in place.

The LRT is not an impedement to traffic. That is the point of the LRT. Transition 104 Avenue and City Parkway from being car-oriented to transit/cycling/pedestrian-oriented and prioritized.

[Nites]

Originally Posted by CoryHolmes

Guy in a yellow vest?

I don't think he was a member of the forum during that joke.

[Hooknose]

Originally Posted by Shift

The LRT will be routed down 104 Ave, City Parkway, and 102 Ave through the area. All existing roads.

City Parkway will be pedestrianized between 103 Ave and 102 Ave once LRT is in place.

The LRT is not an impedement to traffic. That is the point of the LRT. Transition 104 Avenue and City Parkway from being car-oriented to transit/cycling/pedestrian-oriented and prioritized.

I don't mean to pick on this particular post but I am not sure that we are all "getting" what could happen In Surrey Central.

Okay, these are wild numbers but ... 10 to 15 high rises at 500 cars each PLUS drop off and drive through traffic PLUS two rapid transit systems PLUS a central bus loop ... all in about 5 blocks.

That sounds more like gridlock than anything else.

As I say, I am not picking on this post but I read the last 10 posts and this thread seems to run all through them.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

The very road alignments that are planned will also be shared with a surrounding LRT line that becomes an impediment to regular traffic trying to get out of such parkades, including goods movers.

I said nothing regarding LRT :babyeat: (no goddamn face-palm emoji to be found anywhere so this will do).

To quote my last post that you highlighted:

Surrey Central is aggressively becoming the city centre south of the Fraser River and these road alignments are proving it.

Most of the road upgrades that I can think of off the top of my head (like the Surrey Central road alignments and the Fraser Highway widening) are projects that need to be completed regardless of any rapid transit expansion. And again, to highlight the previous point that I was making, these improvements are reflective of Surrey's goals to develop into an urban centre.

[Shift]

Originally Posted by Hooknose

I don't mean to pick on this particular post but I am not sure that we are all "getting" what could happen In Surrey Central.

Okay, these are wild numbers but ... 10 to 15 high rises at 500 cars each PLUS drop off and drive through traffic PLUS two rapid transit systems PLUS a central bus loop ... all in about 5 blocks.

That sounds more like gridlock than anything else.

As I say, I am not picking on this post but I read the last 10 posts and this thread seems to run all through them.

How does any downtown with towers even function? I can't imagine.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Shift

The LRT will be routed down 104 Ave, City Parkway, and 102 Ave through the area. All existing roads.

City Parkway will be pedestrianized between 103 Ave and 102 Ave once LRT is in place.

The LRT is not an impedement to traffic. That is the point of the LRT. Transition 104 Avenue and City Parkway from being car-oriented to transit/cycling/pedestrian-oriented and prioritized.

There's also been talk about putting the downtown section of the LRT in a tunnel. Until they start building the thing we can't be sure where it will be - only that with the way it's being planned it'll be an impediment to every other form of transportation.

Originally Posted by scryer

I said nothing regarding LRT :babyeat: (no goddamn face-palm emoji to be found anywhere so this will do).

You mean like this?

[Shift]

Originally Posted by Sheba

There's also been talk about putting the downtown section of the LRT in a tunnel. Until they start building the thing we can't be sure where it will be - only that with the way it's being planned it'll be an impediment to every other form of transportation.

The plans I've seen have it clearly routed above ground. The intention is for it to activate a pedestrianized City Parkway much how LRT's run through public plazas in Europe. I will not be in a tunnel.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by CoryHolmes

Guy in a yellow vest?

Haven't heard that one in a while!

Originally Posted by Shift

How does any downtown with towers even function? I can't imagine.

Makes me think of the old adage: "nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded!"

[EhJay]

Originally Posted by Shift

The plans I've seen have it clearly routed above ground. The intention is for it to activate a pedestrianized City Parkway much how LRT's run through public plazas in Europe. I will not be in a tunnel.

I've been looking for this exact picture, somehow I've missed it... Unless you just posted it on urbansurrey... Either way, this is what I've been looking for