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Old Posted Feb 12, 2014, 7:07 PM
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Bolstering the arts to increase the country's cultural output (for export of domestic consumption) has to be thought out. Let's not forget the tax shelter years of the Canadian film industry.

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Here goes part 3:

1) We need more rooftop terraces/patios/restaurants. In the spring/summer months it is so fun to be able to eat, drink and enjoy a great lunch, supper or late night snack while taking in the view on the city. The only existing one I can think of is the "Mambo" in the market which sits at 2 (3?) stories high?
I'm thinking more something along 10-15-20 floors up, somewhere in our CBD, maybe on Sparks with a view of downtown, the parliament, gatineau hills, canal, conference centre? What a cool place would it be... Plus it could be a great place for a relaxing evening drinking a bottle of wine and catching up with friends...



2) What about a special flora garden area/attraction... It could either be at Lebreton or the agriculture/farm field in central Ottawa. It would be filled with flowers and manicured lawns. Could be educational and charge admission. Botanical gardens and the glass "pods" mentioned before and in other threads would make a great addition. Maybe add one of those butterfly rooms where the room is full of flowers and trees and free-roaming butterflies...




3) What about a Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum in Ottawa? It could either be a "regular" one like the others, I would put it either on Rideau St. or Sparks St. OR it could be a special "Canadian" edition of the wax museum with only prominent and popular Canadians through history... Old prime ministers, singers, actors, people who invented stuff, famous athletes the list goes on... "Hey, I didn't know (he/she) was Canadian?!"

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As much as I would LOVE to have avenues of Japanese cherries like in Washington DC and Vancouver, they are not reliably hardy in Ottawa. There are a few varieties that are reasonably hardy although almost impossible to purchase but even then, our heavy use of road salt is toxic to them as street trees.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2014, 1:49 AM
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As much as I would LOVE to have avenues of Japanese cherries like in Washington DC and Vancouver, they are not reliably hardy in Ottawa. There are a few varieties that are reasonably hardy although almost impossible to purchase but even then, our heavy use of road salt is toxic to them as street trees.
I know, that's the sad thing. We could only hope for some other flowering tree, if they can survive in Ottawa, but the salt would be a problem...
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Wow. GREAT post defishel. Lots of beautiful ideas. Lots of them unrealistic--but still, inspiration always helps.

If you PM me a list of all the LRT & streetcar routes you envision plus a list of stations I could easily draw up a map for you. Map-drawing is one of my hobbies
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Wow. GREAT post defishel. Lots of beautiful ideas. Lots of them unrealistic--but still, inspiration always helps.

If you PM me a list of all the LRT & streetcar routes you envision plus a list of stations I could easily draw up a map for you. Map-drawing is one of my hobbies
I updated my post with better graphics.

OMG, yes! Do you mind if I send them to you by tomorrow? That would be incredible, thank you!
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Go ahead I probably won't be able to get them done until the end of the week though... I can definitely promise it by Friday night at the latest.
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Could you send them to me too? We'll have a map-off

GREAT post, by the way - this is totally the direction we should be heading in: a city dramatically oriented towards liveability. Not all of these ideas are as grand as a monument or a piece of lifeless starchitecture, but making a city a place worth living is a million times more important than a city to simply visit.
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Could you send them to me too? We'll have a map-off
You're on
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Go ahead I probably won't be able to get them done until the end of the week though... I can definitely promise it by Friday night at the latest.
No worries! That gives me lots of time to get them to you. I'll also include the cycling routes.

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Could you send them to me too? We'll have a map-off

GREAT post, by the way - this is totally the direction we should be heading in: a city dramatically oriented towards liveability. Not all of these ideas are as grand as a monument or a piece of lifeless starchitecture, but making a city a place worth living is a million times more important than a city to simply visit.
No problem, I sent the LRT one so far, and will try to get the cycling and streetcar one soon. Thanks a lot!

I agree with your last bit. I imagine this would make it quite livable, and that in itself would make Ottawa a much more interesting and desirable city, not unlike many of the great ones that people like. And if we could get even a portion of this, I'm sure that there'd be lots of development that would give us the other things that make the city worth visiting.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2014, 4:39 AM
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Government moves

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-50:50 rule on transportation infrastructure. For every $1 that goes towards automobile infrastructure, $1 goes towards pedestrian, bicycle, or mass transit infrastructure (to be clear, for buses this means the cost of stops, dedicated lanes, and transitways counts, but not the cost of public roads with bus stops on them.) THIS INCLUDES SNOW CLEARING COSTS.

-a slow but steady effort to eliminate long-term street parking within the greenbelt. It may be a public responsibility to build roads for people and goods to get around, but it's not a public responsibility to give you a spot to put your car during your workday or overnight when you're at home. I'm perfectly ok with the idea that short-term (<3 hours) is needed in commercial areas for customers of small businesses and in residential areas for visitors.

-contain LRT within the greenbelt. Use O-train or Go-train style commuter rail to serve the exurbs.

-height zoning: unfortunately there is little the city can do to control this considering interference from the NCC in the parliamentry district and the fact that the OMB have final say everywhere else. That whole cap and trade on building heights sounds like a great idea though.

Provincial
-in reference to above, give cities (at least Toronto, Ottawa, and maybe York and Peel regions) more power over development proposals. The OMB system is a shitshow.

-heritage districts are a bad idea brought about by NIMBYs that limit the ability of a city to grow according to free-market principles. Protect buildings, not whole neighborhoods.

-on any provincial highway sections greater than 2 lanes in each direction, at least one lane must be dedicated to carpool/green. Though this increases travel time for single drivers, trucks, and non-green cars, studies have shown it actually increases commuter thoughtput (in number of persons, obviously) and is an effective way to increase EV adoption.

Federal
-gas tax. Raise it. (it mostly gets passed down to municipalities for infrastructure investments)

-NCC. I'm pro existence of the NCC. That said, they need to work much more tightly with the ottawa and gatineau governments. We cant have our governments constantly fighting each other. The recent watson-pednaud proposal to give the cities some direct representation on the board seems to make sense.

-maintain your ***ing buildings. Seriously. It's part of the cost of doing any business, austerity doesnt mean you let the prime minister's house have a leaky roof or the facades of historic buildings in ottawa to fall apart.

-parliament hill parking - i believe there is a few thousand parking spaces on the hill (mostly sprawling around the supreme court). They're mostly hidden from view at street level and force their users to walk a decent amount to the buildings, which is good, but they can take more leadership. Once the confederation line opens, consider reducing capacity. Additionally, due to their position on the ottawa river, investment in either permeable concrete or perhaps a vegitation/solar-covered structure over the lots to try to prevent the massive amounts of (salt)-contaminated runoff from those lots every spring.

-museums. Just build the portrait gallery at the old US embassy and the national aboriginal centre on victoria island. International design contests, etc.

-transportation in the parliamentary district - a free shuttle on the wellington/booth/laurier/alexandra bridge/sussex loop would be nice - serving both federal workers and tourists.

-la promenade building (151 sparks street - across wellington from the west block). It's really ugly. It has a massive blank dark brown wall facing the hill that looks terrible. It has a imposing dark presence on sparks street (even the windows are dark/black). My preference would be demolition, but a lot of MPs offices are currently in there and i believe it just got a huge internal renovation done. At least put up a mural or something on the wellington-facing side.

Other random ideas
- fast-track windmill's chaudiere proposal. It's great.
- build a highway 50-highway 417 link along the PoW bridge and the O-Train corridor. Two lanes would probably suffice, and i'm sure there's enough space to make it play well with both the O-train and the pedestrian pathway. PoW bridge would have to be completely rebuilt though to carry 2-4 lanes of automobile traffic as well as 2 lanes of rail track for future gatineau rail and space for pedestrians/bikes.
-rebuild dows lake pavillion. This will probably get more traction in ~10 years once all the carling/preston condos get built. International design competition, etc, work with heritage to allow for winterlude facilities.
- put CFB-rockliffe on the backburner for now. It needs to be built along with a light rail extension along montreal road, and the money's not there for that right now (probably not enough housing demand either).
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whoah..whoah...things are getting a little too 'visionary' in this thread for my liking :p

on a serious note, awesome posts guys!
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2014, 5:10 PM
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So many great ideas!

Can't wait to see delfishel's maps from 1overcosc and Aylmer.

To increase modal share of bikes vs cars (and greatly increase the safety of bikers), the most economical solution would be permitting bikes on the pavement (with a speed limit for the safety of pedestrians). This would be like offering training wheels for novice bikers until they're comfortable and speedy enough to ride on the road with the raging cars. To mitigate concerns for pedestrian safety, the pavements can even be painted with a line down the middle. This line would provide separation between walking pedestrians & slow bikers, and running pedestrians & medium speed bikers
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2014, 6:38 PM
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I want to add to my original post, but I'll post the addition down here so people don't have to go searching through my post for the update.

Bike Share Program and Puzzle Parking
Ottawa has (or had) Bixi Bike, but it’s aimed more for tourists who want to bike along the canal or river. The docking stations were located in prominent tourist destinations, but were not distributed extensively, with the western-most one, to my recollection, being on Lyon and Queen. It wasn’t a bike-share program like Montreal’s Bixi, or Paris Vélib with frequent docking stations throughout the city, and not just in the downtown, allowing people to get from their homes to work or shopping throughout the Plateau, Downtown, Westmount areas (and perhaps more).

What Ottawa should have, along with the extensive segregated cycling routes , is a proper bike-share program that has docking locations in Vanier, Lowertown, Centretown (CBD and everything South), Glebe, Hintonburg, Dow-Preston/ Little Italy, Chinatown, LeBreton, Bayview, Tunney’s, West Wellington, Westboro, Old Ottawa South, Lees, uOttawa, and more. One should be able to rent a bike to get to their destination, park it in a docking station, and then rent it again to go elsewhere. They could even use the Smartphone apps to indicate where the nearest docking station is, how many bikes are available and if their bike can be parked there.

Now, an important part of improving cycling infrastructure in Ottawa is parking our bikes. What am I supposed to do if I want to bike downtown but can’t find a spot to lock my bike because the racks are full with other bikes? We’d have to invest in more bike racks, but that can get quite crowded and unpleasant. Just think of what some parts of Amsterdam look like (not my photo):



Well, we can copy what Japan is doing with parking infrastructure (definitely worth watching). Use the electric “Puzzle Parking” system that allows us to place our bike on a platform and then brings it down into into an underground parking garage specifically for bikes. It would leave surface area available for other uses, and could potentially allow more bike spots than we need.

Etiquette
People in Ottawa have almost no etiquette when it comes to public transit, driving and roads, escalators, etc. What I would like to see is a proper project by the city to teach people what they can do and what they shouldn’t do.

For example, notice what people do on escalators. In Montreal, you typically stand on the right side, leaving the left side open for people who wish to walk up the escalator quickly. In Ottawa, people stand wherever they want, in many cases forcing people who are in a hurry to wait behind someone just because that other person doesn’t want to leave room for others to pass them.

Another should be aimed at public transit, especially with the LRT getting underway. In Japan – and possibly Korea – it is socially unacceptable to eat, talk loudly, listen to music loudly, litter, try to pry open doors and more on the trains and buses. Yet we in Canada do these things constantly. I would like to see to multiple campaigns addressing these issues and teaching people how to behave while using public transit. In this link and below are examples of one humorous campaign done in Japan.



People on buses in Ottawa can be really obnoxious, not provide courtesy seats to those who need it (or kick others off seats when others are open because they wanted to sit there). There are people who choose to sit in aisle seats with the window seat empty or occupied by their bag, when they should sit at the window seat and always keep their bag on their lap so that other people can come and take the empty spot beside them. I’ve seen several times people who refused to let anyone sit beside them, and other times where instead of scooching over a spot to give the aisle seat to another person. There are people who carry too much with them to the point that it blocks the bus (this could include large strollers), such as what I witnessed around Christmas.

I got on the #7 bus to go towards the Glebe around Christmas, and the bus got full quite quickly to the point that it was difficult to even get off the bus (we need to stop overfilling transit). But these two people, possibly unrelated, got on with rolling suitcases each. They decided to sit down in the double seats towards the front of the bus, across the aisle from each other, and left their suitcases in the aisle. These suitcases were beside each other, blocking the aisle for anyone trying to get by.

There’s also the problems with cars. Motorists are some of the most entitled people I have witnessed in Ottawa, to the point that they put their lives and other people’s lives at risk, in many cases injuring or killing pedestrians and cyclists.

Many a time I notice how people in all vehicles will choose to speed up when the light is turning yellow, or will blow through a red-light. I see people who drive too fast, or worse people who don’t stop at stop signs, either by driving through without stopping or do a “rolling stop” where they only slow down but keep going. This is unsafe for pedestrians and cyclists, and only furthers my ire against cars and motorists. There needs to be an even more extensive campaign to teach road safe (people spend how many years trying to get their licence, and yet seem to ignore all the rules they were taught?). There should also be harsher punishment for breaking these laws. Simply being fined doesn’t discourage anyone, especially not people wealthy enough to continuously pay off these fines. I think there should be a 2- or 3- strike system where, after a warning or two, you lose your drivers’ licence for a year or more, and only after this time period has elapsed can they try to get their drivers’ licence all over again, much like when they had to get it the first time. Repeated infractions should result in permanent bans on driving. These people would then have to find an alternative to getting around, which could involve public transit, cycling or moving altogether to a more favourable area. The city should get tough on motorists breaking the law and endangering people’s lives.

Add-on idea to Parkdale Market
Furthermore, if Parkdale Market could become an exciting arts district for the city, it might be enough to attract tourists and other people to Hintonburg, thus justifying a hotel either in this area or as a a part of the Tunney's redevelopment. There could also be a new museum at Tunney's (Museum of Civilization, I hope?)

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I'd like to see a skyline comprised of a sea of short, stubby, flat-roofed midrise office "towers". If possible, make them very bland. Boy would that look sharp!!!
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I'd like to see a skyline comprised of a sea of short, stubby, flat-roofed midrise office "towers". If possible, make them very bland. Boy would that look sharp!!!
I would also like to see this, but only if they have brutalist facades going right down to narrow sidewalks with little to no street interaction.
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I would also like to see this, but only if they have brutalist facades going right down to narrow sidewalks with little to no street interaction.
Don't forget with wide roads for all those motorists, like they have in Russia!
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Re: Another should be aimed at public transit, especially with the LRT getting underway. In Japan – and possibly Korea – it is socially unacceptable to eat, talk loudly, listen to music loudly, litter, try to pry open doors and more on the trains and buses. Yet we in Canada do these things constantly. I would like to see to multiple campaigns addressing these issues and teaching people how to behave while using public transit.

To avoid a mess from eaters on the bus, those little garbage bins should be lined with plastic bags. Other than that, I don't see what the issue is. Being able to eat while getting from 1 place to another is an incentive for taking the bus vs drive, especially for folks who are busily contributing to society.

I agree with some of the other etiquette issues though. Especially the one about respecting other people's space. One fare should = maximum 1 seat. This includes people with big bags and kids who roll on in prams. Perhaps those on wheelchairs can be excepted for obvious reasons, but prams can and should be folded up. Elderly people should not feel obligated to vacate 2-3 seats for an able bodied parent and small child.
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Re: Another should be aimed at public transit, especially with the LRT getting underway. In Japan – and possibly Korea – it is socially unacceptable to eat, talk loudly, listen to music loudly, litter, try to pry open doors and more on the trains and buses. Yet we in Canada do these things constantly. I would like to see to multiple campaigns addressing these issues and teaching people how to behave while using public transit.

To avoid a mess from eaters on the bus, those little garbage bins should be lined with plastic bags. Other than that, I don't see what the issue is. Being able to eat while getting from 1 place to another is an incentive for taking the bus vs drive, especially for folks who are busily contributing to society.

I agree with some of the other etiquette issues though. Especially the one about respecting other people's space. One fare should = maximum 1 seat. This includes people with big bags and kids who roll on in prams. Perhaps those on wheelchairs can be excepted for obvious reasons, but prams can and should be folded up. Elderly people should not feel obligated to vacate 2-3 seats for an able bodied parent and small child.
I don't know so much about food. Some cases with mess and smells and chomping, squishy noises as they eat is still invading other people's space. Maybe certain foods, but I don't know if I agree with people eating on the bus unless it's something small and tidy or necessary (water, maybe coffee/tea). I still think that there are issues with allergies of other people you need to be wary of, as well as the fact that you might make a mess with crumbs, dripping sauces of spilling coffee or littering such stuff on the floor. Personally, I'd rather just say that buses are not to be treated as rolling dining halls, but spaces where many people are crammed together.

To add, also people with strollers who sit in the first two seats instead of standing. The bus driver told this lady I saw once that if she has a stroller and she folds up the priority seating, she has to stand by the cushioned bar with her back away from the front window, as it was designed. This is so they take up the room they were could take, without also taking over the two seats beside inside the priority seating area that should be left for other people who need it, instead of taking up 5 seats.

I agree that if you are disabled in some way that you take up more room (e.g. in a wheelchair) then you're exempt from the taking-space rules. Although I wonder if it would be possible to build a folding bench where each of the seats can fold up on their own to leave a minimum of one or two seats for people who don't take up much room? Or would people still take up the equivalent of 3 seats?
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Remember back in the day, when strollers were half the width they are now, and easily folded up (because there were no fancy pockets for stuff anyway)? And toddlers simply toddled along on their own 2 feet, carried in their parent's arms, and sat on their parent's lap?

All the wheelchairs I've seen on buses have needed the space of 3 seats. I'm not sure how an adult's wheelchair can be much smaller.
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