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Old Posted Feb 14, 2020, 12:25 AM
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They need a permit... for a permit. That sucks.
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The City better pray hard that this goes through, because if the developer decides to pull out, the City would've lost a huge cash cow for them to fund the viaduct removal.
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10-12 year build-out
- so when will the City have enough to tear down the viaducts?
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2020, 2:59 AM
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Another 12 years for this? Wow, I guess we can all look forward to that.

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CAC's in the report are for:

- Housing – social
housing (380 units)
-Community centre
- Ice rink
- Childcare facilities (69
spaces)
- Plaza
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For the other false creek rezonings if they pay cash CAC's:

5.1 CACs will be secured as conditions of by-law enactment.
(a) Cash CACs must be paid prior to by-law enactment, except that a portion of cash CACs valued over $20 million may be deferred on terms and conditions in the City’s sole discretion, subject to approval by the City’s Risk Management Committee.
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Old Posted Feb 14, 2020, 5:43 PM
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haha 12 years? wowza.

it doesn't even look that large/dense to me... considering the size of the site...
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10-12 year build-out
- so when will the City have enough to tear down the viaducts?
Here's the approved rezoning report (edited to keep it short) with dates and amounts they've agreed to pay. You'll see there are various financing mechanisms in place as well.

Public Benefits — Offered by the Land Owner
Community Amenity Contribution

The Applicant has offered a total CAC package of $325,494,000 consisting of in-kind and cash contributions

In-kind CAC Contributions

City-owned Social Housing (valued at $128,400,000) The City will receive in-kind turnkey delivery of at least 20% of the proposed residential floor area of the Rezoning Site for social housing (no less than 321,000 sq. ft. of the residential floor area, for a minimum of 380 units) to be built and delivered by the Applicant in sub-areas B of the development (approximately half of the social housing floor area) by no later than Q4 2026, and in sub-area A of the development (the balance of the social housing floor area) by no later than Q4 2028.

Childcare Facility (valued at $10,000,000)— The City will receive in-kind turnkey delivery of a 69-space childcare facility consisting of a minimum of 765 sq. m (8,235 sq. ft.) indoor floor area plus a minimum of 745 sq. m (8,019 sq. ft.) of outdoor space. The childcare facility ownership will be in the form of an airspace parcel owned by the City and be delivered by no later than Q4 2026;

Community Centre (valued at $41,710,500) — The City will receive in-kind turnkey delivery of a community centre consisting of 40,000 sq. ft., co-located with the childcare facility and ice rink by no later than Q4 2026.

Ice Rink (valued at $25,000,000) — The City will receive in-kind turnkey delivery of an ice rink of 21,000 sq. ft. and 10,000 sq. ft. of related community use space, all co-located with the Community Centre by no later than Q4 2026. The ice rink will be mainly for public use and will also function as the Vancouver Canucks practice facility from 6 am – 12 pm, five days a week.

Public Plaza (valued at $20,000,000) — The City will receive in-kind delivery of a public plaza located at the centre of the site of approximately 2,800 sq. m (30,139 sq. ft.) by at the latest Q4 2028.

The above in-kind CAC contributions will be secured with a mortgage on terms to the satisfaction of the City as a condition of enactment.

Cash CAC Contributions

As part of this application, the Applicant has offered a cash CAC of $100,383,500. Under the NEFC Public Benefits Strategy and the NEFC Financial Strategy, subject to Council’s consideration and approval, the cash CAC will be prioritized to support the phased delivery of the NEFC Infrastructure Project. The replacement of the viaducts with a new transportation network is fundamental to the buildout of NEFC in accordance with the NEFC Plan.

Phased Approach to Cash CAC Payment — In this case, given the scale of the cash CAC being offered and associated financing implications, staff are recommending a phased approach to CAC payment, The cash CAC of $100,383,500 is payable under the following conditions:
• $20,000,000 to be paid in cash prior to the enactment of the rezoning by-law; and
• A letter of credit will be used to secure the balance of the cash CAC and will be drawn down on the following dates if not paid by the Applicant:
o $20,000,000 at issuance of the first development permit for the Rezoning Site; and
o For the balance of $60,383,500, amounts will be drawn down based on percentage of development floor area (in relation to the floor area for the full Rezoning Site) approved by each building permits.
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Right forgot about that $100 million we stated in the Viaduct Thread. The boogyman isn't coming.
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Right forgot about that $100 million we stated in the Viaduct Thread. The boogyman isn't coming.
The viaduct fund is ever shrinking.

100 mil.... people were boasting the 350 mil would all go there from this development alone. How naive.
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The viaduct fund is ever shrinking.

100 mil.... people were boasting the 350 mil would all go there from this development alone. How naive.
Link? I don't recall anybody suggesting that. All the comments that reference the funding have noted that all the NEFC projects will contribute to the package of changes to the area, including removing the viaducts, replacing them, moving the utilities and building the new park and non-market housing (as well as childcare, skating rink etc. etc).
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Thanks - so $40M largely up front.
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Old Posted Feb 15, 2020, 2:48 AM
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Link? I don't recall anybody suggesting that. All the comments that reference the funding have noted that all the NEFC projects will contribute to the package of changes to the area, including removing the viaducts, replacing them, moving the utilities and building the new park and non-market housing (as well as childcare, skating rink etc. etc).
It's in the Northeast Falsecreek development thread. I don't even know where that is located, and won't bother go look for it.

Most importantly, how are they going to secure the other 250 to 300 mil for viaduct demo and associated works? Tax payers?
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It's in the Northeast Falsecreek development thread. I don't even know where that is located, and won't bother go look for it.

Most importantly, how are they going to secure the other 250 to 300 mil for viaduct demo and associated works? Tax payers?
The answer is in the Northeast False Creek development thread, or the Time To Tear the Viaducts Down thread - possibly both of them. I can't be bothered to go and look for it.
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The answer is in the Northeast False Creek development thread, or the Time To Tear the Viaducts Down thread - possibly both of them. I can't be bothered to go and look for it.
Those were rhetorical questions and I did not expect a reply from you. If they have already secured the money, the viaducts would already be coming down now. No need for the years of delay.
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Those were rhetorical questions and I did not expect a reply from you. If they have already secured the money, the viaducts would already be coming down now. No need for the years of delay.
They've secured the money they wanted from this project. They're no doubt still negotiating with Concord, who won't get their rezoning until they put a reasonable offer on the table that reflects the land lift they will gain from their project (with those two viewcone busting towers). Nothing stops this project proceeding in the meantime; the CAC payment sits in a City account earmarked for the infrastructure works whenever they start.
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Is that "future development" property next to this site Concord Pacific or someone else?
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Is that "future development" property next to this site Concord Pacific or someone else?
If you're referring to 'Future Development' shown to the east of the Plaza of Nations in the Urban YVR article, yes, you're correct, that's the Concord owned land.
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The project, if approved, will be built in multiple phases generally from the west to the east and along the water’s edge lastly. The project is acknowledged to be likely to take 10 years or more to complete with at least 8 Development Permits during that time. The Preliminary Development Permit will inform this process but not be issued such as a Development Permit but rather provide detailed conditions for all the subsequent DPs in addition to the conditions approved by Council at rezoning.
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The NEFC Infrastructure Project is anticipated to be delivered in two phases, and Phase 1 delivery is required to support full build-out of this development. Phase 2, which includes the removal of the viaduct structures, is able to occur independently of this development’s construction phasing and is not a prerequisite to this development’s build-out.
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The requirements of the Enactment Conditions, approved by Council in the rezoning, ensure that the developer will need to deliver, in the earliest phases, the Civic Centre, Plaza, childcare and Social Housing. 325 million dollars will be secured through this rezoning as a public benefit to the City.
https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/750-pacific-blvd.pdf
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