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Old Posted Dec 5, 2016, 5:00 PM
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Or maybe the hole was dug to dump what remains.
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I was just by there today.... all that temp support stuff is gone big hole dug were the collapsed portion was... maybe some progress?
this is just the result of them tearing down more of the building, and now you can see into the pit easier. nothing is happening there.

the shipping containers are just to stabilize what is left.
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this is just the result of them tearing down more of the building, and now you can see into the pit easier. nothing is happening there.

the shipping containers are just to stabilize what is left.
I should have known it was foolish of me to get optimistic about this site.

Based on everything I've read about this guy and my own personal interaction with him, I have to say he seems to me like a real slimeball. I say bring on the expropriation proceedings.
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I say bring on the expropriation proceedings.
Yes please!
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The Heritage Section has received an application to construct an addition to the Somerset House, located at the corner of Somerset and Bank Streets. A report on this application will be considered by the City’s Built Heritage Subcommittee on April 13, 2017, Planning Committee on April 25, 2017 and City Council on May 10, 2017.



I am writing you this email to seek comments on the proposed design to be incorporated into the staff report. I have attached three images of the proposal for your information. Please note that the existing metal work will be restored and reinstalled and that the restoration of the storefronts will be based on historic photographs. The rear will be constructed of glass and new brick to evoke the character of the former north wall.



If you would like to have your comments on the proposed project included in the staff report, please submit them to me by March 24, 2017. If you have questions about either the project or the process, please do not hesitate to call me.



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Building is in a sad state. I'm afraid it might collapse before it goes to City Council.

10 years in the making, hopefully this thing will finally get one.
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Somerset House owner toys with demo if reno costs too much

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Published on: March 15, 2017 | Last Updated: March 15, 2017 5:52 PM EDT




Another design application to transform the once-grand Somerset House is hitting the political agenda, with the building owner inching closer to seeking complete demolition if he believes a renovation would cost too much money.

Tony Shahrasebi said he’ll file an application to demolish the entire building at Somerset and Bank streets and build a multi-storey replacement if the city’s requirements for a renovation are beyond what he’s willing to pay.

“We are talking to the city engineering department and they have to figure out what they want us to do,” Shahrasebi said Wednesday.

According to him, the city could order building fixes that could cost another $2 million. If that’s the case, Shahrasebi would rather raze the whole building and start fresh.

“The obstacle here is the structure and we’re trying to work it out,” he said.

It all depends how he wants to redevelop the building, the city says.

Richard Ashe, the city’s manager of permit approvals, said staff have held pre-consultations with Shahrasebi’s architect and engineer before a building permit application comes forward.

“In these types of things we try to have some dialogue up front,” Ashe said. “It’s really preliminary in the sense we don’t know what it is they want to propose.”

Ashe said it’s not easy redeveloping a heritage building with a contemporary addition.

“It’s tricky. It’s not straightforward.”

There’s also the matter of pleasing the city’s politicians and heritage watchdogs, who warmed up to the 2013 redevelopment proposal.

Shahrasebi has hired Chmiel Architects to continue the design work.

The city received the latest application on March 1 and the information has been circulated to the Centretown community association, Heritage Ottawa and the local councillor for comment.

The built heritage subcommittee is expected to review the application before sending a recommendation to the planning committee and council.

Somerset House was built in two phases starting in 1900. There was a partial collapse of the building during a renovation in 2007 and it has remained off-limits since then.

Shahrasebi brought the Citizen inside the building to see the condition last September before contractors, as approved by council, removed part of a wall along Somerset Street. There’s potential for a turnaround, but it could take years of work.

There’s also a question of who would be the main tenant. A drug store showed initial interest and more recently a brewery was sniffing around, Shahrasebi said.

The building has become the city’s chief example of demolition by neglect, but Shahrasebi maintains he has been trying to fix it up.

Shahrasebi still has no intention of selling the property.

“We need to get this moving,” he said.

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I've been studying the Somerset House since September as part of my M.Arch thesis. It's truly fascinating how as time goes on we have grown used to its neglected state.

I've been speculating on the possibility of a somewhat small eastern wall & stairwell addition that allows the currently remaining half to re-open while we wait for a decision regarding the reconstruction in the void...

if anyone is interested I'd be happy to share some drawings and images
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I've been studying the Somerset House since September as part of my M.Arch thesis. It's truly fascinating how as time goes on we have grown used to its neglected state.

I've been speculating on the possibility of a somewhat small eastern wall & stairwell addition that allows the currently remaining half to re-open while we wait for a decision regarding the reconstruction in the void...

if anyone is interested I'd be happy to share some drawings and images
please do!
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I've been studying the Somerset House since September as part of my M.Arch thesis. It's truly fascinating how as time goes on we have grown used to its neglected state.

I've been speculating on the possibility of a somewhat small eastern wall & stairwell addition that allows the currently remaining half to re-open while we wait for a decision regarding the reconstruction in the void...

if anyone is interested I'd be happy to share some drawings and images
Welcome to the forum!
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Thanks!

For the sake of exploration I've projected a few tenants for the existing building (bottom to top): bar, laundromat, office, rooming house. Below is a section drawing facing south.



Within this enclosed shaft is the required additional staircase and the new elevator core. Empty spaces within the shaft contain various temporary (or permanent) mezzanines for views into the ongoing construction next door.

There's quite a bit more to the project - it dives into speculations on an illicit music venue setting up within the empty pit after the shaft is constructed and scaffolding is left behind...

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Thanks!

For the sake of exploration I've projected a few tenants for the existing building (bottom to top): bar, laundromat, office, rooming house. Below is a section drawing facing south.



Within this enclosed shaft is the required additional staircase and the new elevator core. Empty spaces within the shaft contain various temporary (or permanent) mezzanines for views into the ongoing construction next door.

There's quite a bit more to the project - it dives into speculations on an illicit music venue setting up within the empty pit after the shaft is constructed and scaffolding is left behind...

Love your vision, Clay! But this is Ottawa. Somerset House will be left to erode to the point that it endangers passersby (as if it's not there already) and will be torn down and replaced with a single-storey Money Mart.

It's nice to see some discussion on the topic, though. I still don't understand how residents of Centretown have not made more of a stink about this over the last 10 years?? Is there nothing a large enough people can do?
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Love your vision, Clay! But this is Ottawa. Somerset House will be left to erode to the point that it endangers passersby (as if it's not there already) and will be torn down and replaced with a single-storey Money Mart.

It's nice to see some discussion on the topic, though. I still don't understand how residents of Centretown have not made more of a stink about this over the last 10 years?? Is there nothing a large enough people can do?
Ha. I don't doubt that at all.
I'm not from Ottawa (just here for graduate studies), but if there's one thing I've noticed while I've been here, it's that this City's heritage committee needs a serious reality check.

I find it surprising that the concept of just doing enough to re-open the portion that remains hasn't been flirted with. Why not just rebuild the back half as an entirely separate identity?

At least get the "heritage" portion back up and running - the back half was an addition added on much later anyways...
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Ha. I don't doubt that at all.
I'm not from Ottawa (just here for graduate studies), but if there's one thing I've noticed while I've been here, it's that this City's heritage committee needs a serious reality check.

I find it surprising that the concept of just doing enough to re-open the portion that remains hasn't been flirted with. Why not just rebuild the back half as an entirely separate identity?

At least get the "heritage" portion back up and running - the back half was an addition added on much later anyways...
Preachin to the choir here man. The issue is a less-than-desirable owner who won't play ball with anyone!
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Preachin to the choir here man. The issue is a less-than-desirable owner who won't play ball with anyone!
No. It isn't. The owner has a significant track record of doing very good heritage renovations, having recently restored the Salvation Army building on Gladstone near Bank. The city and he are at loggerheads over this property, but the blame is fairly even between all parties involved.
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No. It isn't. The owner has a significant track record of doing very good heritage renovations, having recently restored the Salvation Army building on Gladstone near Bank. The city and he are at loggerheads over this property, but the blame is fairly even between all parties involved.
Exactly. The back and forth regarding its heritage/how much to preserve (and what is economically feasible) has just delayed everything. Gotta feel for both sides on this one.

The city doesn't want to set a bad example for other decrepit heritage buildings... but c'mon.
I'm hoping to get a drawing set together for this stairwell+elevator enclosure addition sometime in the next week or so. Will post updates - I'd be happy to hear any thoughts
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No. It isn't. The owner has a significant track record of doing very good heritage renovations, having recently restored the Salvation Army building on Gladstone near Bank. The city and he are at loggerheads over this property, but the blame is fairly even between all parties involved.
I recall reading a few years back that while all the nonsense was going on between him and City Hall, he got recognition from a city dept. for the excellent restoration of the building that houses Koreana Restaurant on Somerset. Once I found that out it really changed my perception of who is telling the real Somerset House story...
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I recall reading a few years back that while all the nonsense was going on between him and City Hall, he got recognition from a city dept. for the excellent restoration of the building that houses Koreana Restaurant on Somerset. Once I found that out it really changed my perception of who is telling the real Somerset House story...
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No. It isn't. The owner has a significant track record of doing very good heritage renovations, having recently restored the Salvation Army building on Gladstone near Bank. The city and he are at loggerheads over this property, but the blame is fairly even between all parties involved.
Basing that on this article from 2015
http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/06/30/...t-with-no-duke

"Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney said Somerset House came up in talks she had with the mayor's office before the last budget process. They want to see progress but can't compel the owner to do anything under the current regulations.

"All we can do is make sure the structure is sound," McKenney said.

McKenney believes Shahrasebi has an obligation to fix the building because of the prominent location.

Meanwhile, Shahrasebi is clearly still peeved with City Hall and he's not happy about being charged sidewalk encroachment fees.

"They're trying to steal as much money as they can for me. I'm going to fight them every step of the way."


It seems like the guy is more interested in fighting the good fight than in getting this project off the ground. Clearly his pockets are deep and it really seems he is just waiting for Somerset House to become irreparable at which point he could propose something else for the site. Maybe something cheaper? Maybe another parking lot until the condo market picks up again? I just can't believe that someone would spend this much time sitting on such a prime property without other motives.
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out of pure curiosity - would people be opposed to the idea of a totally new building next door to what's currently existing? Curious if it'd be possible to open two separate buildings and double up on tenancy...

A huge contrast almost respects the heritage of the beautiful brick more than trying to imitate it - IMO
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