Telus Garden | 135m, 88m | 46fl res, 22fl office | 928,000sqft | Completed

[Metro-One]

I agree 100%

I love the original google earth concept posted on here, especially the office tower portion (very unique and stunning).

This more polished render is very boring and looks like every other proposal in Vancouver...

[mr.x]

I really don't get you people...you've/we've all be been asking for more original and unique designs, then one comes along and it gets ripped apart in favour of something that looks just like everything we already have?

I GIVE UP.

[Metro-One]

Again, i completely agree. In fact I love the office tower portion of the original. The stacked design gives it extra height and the exoskeleton gives it a much needed design aspect missing in Vancouver. It reminded me of some of the more interesting offices I have seen in Japan.

I fail to see anything new or bold in the updated render. Wow, they have a protruding box (never seen that before in Vancouver!) with a tree in it, stuck to the side of a larger rectangular cube, how inspiring!

In fact, the current Telus tower in Burnaby is far more interesting and inspiring than this run of the mill design.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Again, i completely agree. In fact I love the office tower portion of the original. The stacked design gives it extra height and the exoskeleton gives it a much needed design aspect missing in Vancouver.

It's a testament to how narrow-minded people are (or can be), and how creativity is constantly being crushed for the safe, unoriginal, cookie-cutter, and purely functional designs.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by mr.x

I really don't get you people...you've/we've all be been asking for more original and unique designs, then one comes along and it gets ripped apart in favour of something that looks just like everything we already have?

I GIVE UP.

Ditto!

I also don't understand quoting the entire picture in the very next post.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by Prometheus

What it shows is how ridiculous some people can be sometimes.

I know eh? How ridiculous some people can be in that all they do is whine about how bland all of Vancouver's tower proposals are, and then once someone experiments a little how they are immediately against it and then celebrate when they find out we are getting another bland, rectangular sea foam green box with a poorly placed non original protruding box on the side.

[Prometheus]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I know eh? How ridiculous some people can be in that all they do is whine about how bland all of Vancouver's tower proposals are, and then once someone experiments a little how they are immediately against it and then celebrate when they find out we are getting another bland, rectangular sea foam green box with a poorly placed non original protruding box on the side.

I know eh? Some people just cannot appreciate the display of genius from "Henriquez" that we saw. "Henriquez" is so misunderstood. "Henriquez" is ahead of his time. The boldness, the originality, the uniqueness of "Henriquez's" design will only be grasped in a distant future.

[Yume-sama]

That's actually fairly nice and quite fitting~

[Stingray2004]

Second design is all right. The first thing that popped into my mind was a glorified version of 1500 West Georgia.

[city-dweller]

Bye Bye Whitespot?

I also notice the placement of the "tree box" on the main and residential buildings looks silly. Almost like they ask for trees on the buildings after the initial rendering. The one in the residential tower is poorly placed. That location has the most expensive suites and you want to take two out to put a tree in?!! Better ways to incorporate trees into the building.
Example 1:On Beach Ave. with a cantelevered extension on the top floor.
Example 2: Over looking Howe Street on-ramp to Granville Street Bridge. (can't remember actual building name) Has a tree in the building but not at the top. I am sure you can think of a few more.

The covered plaza off the main build should have fewer poles in design. People will walk into them. Multiple solutions availabe.

I would open up the Seymour street side to a few renters just like the BreadGarden at the CBC complex. That street is a flat wall. You could have interior access too.

Anyway, just a few thoughts.

[Metro-One]

What is wrong with decoration elements such as the exoskeleton? That is one of the best features of the Van city building (or was, as the last time I checked the red exoskeleton bars I believe were removed)

Also, to those who are now praising this updated design, how is this bland box any better then the other bland designs that have been criticized on this forum lately? I fail to see how it is any more interesting than other office and condo proposals of late (if anything it is less interesting than the others).

For goodness sakes I coud have designed this, and i am no architect, hehe.

PS - Did anyone else notice the colour of the last render, looks a little sea foam green to me, you know a tone we have all been screaming for in the past decade............

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

What is wrong with decoration elements such as the exoskeleton? That is one of the best features of the Van city building (or was, as the last time I checked the red exoskeleton bars I believe were removed)

Also, to those who are now praising this updated design, how is this bland box any better then the other bland designs that have been criticized on this forum lately? I fail to see how it is any more interesting than other office and condo proposals of late (if anything it is less interesting than the others).

For goodness sakes I coud have designed this, and i am no architect, hehe.

PS - Did anyone else notice the colour of the last render, looks a little sea foam green to me, you know a tone we have all been screaming for in the past decade............

WE WANT ORIGINALITY! NORE MORE COOKIE CUTTERS! --> TOO MUCH ORIGINALITY AND CREATIVITY! STOP IT! IT'S TOO MUCH TO GRASP! --> OK, SCREW IT! LETS GO BACK TO OUR SAFE ZONE!

It also better incorporates the old block on Seymour Street (but they won't be allowed to overhang Seymour St. as shown).

If the goal is to incorporate each new project into its surroundings, I really don't see how we'll ever breach the non-original bubble we have going on in this city. Obviously, it creates "good neighbourhoods" but how about having some that make actual architectural statements...inward designs, instead of outwards: bold and daring.

The 43-storey residential tower could be Fairmont Pacific Rim's big brother. And the 22-storey Telus office tower could be the father of Crossroads.

[Yume-sama]

I don't believe that could possibly be real either. The first would never be allowed (and probably for good reason, though perhaps a real render would be far less crude and appalling), and the second... well, it is not "something we've never seen before". They have no reason to speak in marketing lingo yet, if it is indeed just like every other tower

[wrenegade]

The second design isn't groundbreaking by any means, and I hate the protruding box, but it is a much better design. It is much better for Telus (look at the massive floorplates on the first 6 storeys) and the interface with Georgia is fantastic. A huge setback and glass covered atrium? I like. I am also happy to see the alley disappear. There are a number of other sites across the city where I'd like to see this happen. The green glass though is.......bleh. The residential tower looks like everything else, but at least we can be happy that the office portion looks like curtain wall. It also integrates the existing Telus building (to remain?) much better than the first design. This was never going to be the tallest building so we don't have to worry about a ho-hum design in the skyline too much, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the biggest buildings (the office portion) in the city when it's finished.

[Metro-One]

I know exactly where I have seen this building before! Every office building ever built in Ottawa, but with a Vancouver protruding box + sea foam green special thrown in on the order!

[dleung]

Originally Posted by dleung

Fooled you all... I fabricated the first scheme entirely, without knowing anything about the proposal, and only going on what's possible through the view cones. Looks like I was spot on with the locations of the office and residential towers, as well as the addition to cover up the blank Georgia side of the existing telus building. =)

I agree the office tower glazing looks very 80's and the exosleketon looks weak and tacked on (i only spent 1 hour designing/modelling the thing, lol), but I personally think the residential tower is absolutely sexy. It seems like people have really little imagination and are unable to visualize nice glazing on a crappy render of an otherwise very interesting massing. Likewise, many people are too easily fooled by shiny renders of the otherwise dull box in the "real" proposal.

Well at least my efforts have prompted someone to spill the beans, hehe.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by dleung

Fooled you all... I fabricated the first scheme entirely, without knowing anything about the proposal, and only going on what's possible through the view cones. Looks like I was spot on with the locations of the office and residential towers, as well as the addition to cover up the blank Georgia side of the existing telus building. =)

I agree the office tower glazing looks very 80's and the exosleketon looks weak and tacked on (i only spent 1 hour designing/modelling the thing, lol), but I personally think the residential tower is absolutely sexy. It seems like people have really little imagination and are unable to visualize nice glazing on a crappy render of an otherwise very interesting massing. Likewise, many people are too easily fooled by shiny renders of the otherwise dull box in the "real" proposal.

I couldn't have said it better myself.


Well done with the design, btw....too bad we'll just be adding yet another box or two to the skyline.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by dleung

Likewise, many people are too easily fooled by shiny renders of the otherwise dull box in the "real" proposal.

But remember that for office construction, the quality of the curtain wall will make that shiny box appear like the render - unlike many residential projects.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Hed Kandi

Don't quit your day job. Your mock up render is some of the worst shit I've yet to lay eyes on.

I'm guessing you skipped/ignored the part where he said he spent 1-hour on it.

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Dude, I would take your proposal any day of the true one.

You can add my name to that list!

[whatnext]

I see Pacific Cinemateque is lobbying to get the cultural amenity space in the project having outgrown their Howe St. home. It might help reinforce a cultural precinct in that area, though it will leave a real dead zone on Howe St.

http://www.cinematheque.bc.ca/suppor...c-cinematheque