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Old Posted Dec 15, 2010, 11:14 PM
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i like those things - the PNE does fine as is

do we really need more space to sell a slap n chop?
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The improved lawns around the sanctuary will make good PNE space. That combine with some actually properly built solid surfaces (Festival and Miller Plazas, and The Parade) vastly increases the space available to the PNE.

This year I've been to a few events at Holland Park in Surrey, and it's been a great host. The park is a nice, open green-space most of the year, but when needed turns into amazing event space. The lawn holds up amazingly well to foot traffic and the permanent infrastructure is perfectly incorporated into the event.

The same will be true for the improved land around the Sanctuary. Most of the year it will be great lawns, perfect for sitting around, enjoying a picnic, or playing frizbee (like the land around Trout Lake). And during the PNE, when typically grass gets pretty brown, it will make great event space. The plans call for proper plumbing and electrical hookups incorporated into the lawn space so setting up for events will be fast.

As well, the paved areas are being improved. The main strip through the park will be wider (and permanent) and host stalls during the PNE, and potentially anytime. The proposed Festival plaza sounds fantastic and will be miraculous during the Fair with how it integrates with the livestock building. Playland will be larger, and the concessions will be double sided, so Playland can sell food to people inside AND outside Playland (like to spectators at the Amphitheater).

To me, it sounds like the Fair will be better than ever!

Outside the PNE time, the area can host cultural events or festivals, much like Holland Park. There are enough groups out there that want to do things, but space is in short supply and expensive. Currently you have to close down streets and hold block parties, but that comes with decreased parking and accessibility. NEFC is soon to become condos, and that event space will be gone. Proper community event space is severely lacking in Vancouver, and this space will be great for the PNE, but even better for the community at large.

With the improved public square, amphitheater, Coliseum, flat building, racetrack/casino, and larger grounds, Hastings Park can see events all summer long. Open with a spring festival, and almost every week could see something happening at the park, be it a concert, festival, cultural event, or some kind of party or trade show. The Coliseum, Playland, and Racetrack can see improved business by people attending events, and events could see increased attendance via people going to the Coliseum, Playland and the Racetrack.

It will be possible to spend an entire day at Hastings Park (much like you can spend an entire day at Stanley Park). You can walk around the Sanctuary and down to Burrard Inlet, attend cultural events, see a musical/stage performance, see horse racing, ride some rides, all in one day.


I would really like to see the parking structure built. It would increase capacity and save space. The park is a long way away for a lot of people, and mustering up a family of small children can be challenging on Transit, so parking is important. A parking structure makes people feel there will be parking, reducing risk, making it easier to decide to go. The parking is in a great position for the racetrack, Coliseum, and PNE. And the new NW entrance to Playland nicely connects it to the Coliseum, Racetrack and Parking.

The only real shame to this whole plan is the 20 year time frame. This is something that should be fast tracked as the benefits would be greatly felt by the people of the city AND the metro. I know the money is a sticking point, but Hastings park is regionally enjoyed, and as such they should seek provincial and federal funding. The upgrades to the 100 year old PNE alone should qualify it for some major federal grants.
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2010, 4:52 AM
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The PNE plan is pretty good, the only changes I would make...
1) Mandate the parkade being built next to the Coliseum/Racetrack, the infield parking plan is not a solution. The Parkade was promised as part of the slot introduction, enforce it, even if that means some additional civic money. The money from parking will be returned several times over, during the life of the structure.
2) Build a couple of nice restaurants in the park, perhaps near the Santucary. The restaurants in QE and Stanley Park provide some additional funds and help bring people into the park. Heck how about a new home for the beloved Cannery.
3) Move the damn petting zoo into the PNE, they already have to pay to bring one in during the fair, it wouldn't cost a huge amount more to keep it there year round, plus it would give families a reason to visit the park year round. It's a better location for families that more and more live in the burbs, they having to go all the way to Stanley Park. It would hopefully even generate funds instead of bleed them.
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they could add a wedding venue like they did at Queen E park even though its up in the parking lot its very nice and a popular spot for weddings
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The PNE plan is pretty good, the only changes I would make...
1) Mandate the parkade being built next to the Coliseum/Racetrack, the infield parking plan is not a solution. The Parkade was promised as part of the slot introduction, enforce it, even if that means some additional civic money. The money from parking will be returned several times over, during the life of the structure.
2) Build a couple of nice restaurants in the park, perhaps near the Santucary. The restaurants in QE and Stanley Park provide some additional funds and help bring people into the park. Heck how about a new home for the beloved Cannery.
3) Move the damn petting zoo into the PNE, they already have to pay to bring one in during the fair, it wouldn't cost a huge amount more to keep it there year round, plus it would give families a reason to visit the park year round. It's a better location for families that more and more live in the burbs, they having to go all the way to Stanley Park. It would hopefully even generate funds instead of bleed them.
This is one of the few times where I completely agree with you

All three points are good points.

I also wish it were a 5 year time line, not 20. How many 20 year programs are never finished?

Also i agree that this is more than just a Vancouver venue, it is a regional venue, and it should get provincial funding as well.
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The PNE plan is pretty good, the only changes I would make...
1) Mandate the parkade being built next to the Coliseum/Racetrack, the infield parking plan is not a solution. The Parkade was promised as part of the slot introduction, enforce it, even if that means some additional civic money. The money from parking will be returned several times over, during the life of the structure.
2) Build a couple of nice restaurants in the park, perhaps near the Santucary. The restaurants in QE and Stanley Park provide some additional funds and help bring people into the park. Heck how about a new home for the beloved Cannery.
3) Move the damn petting zoo into the PNE, they already have to pay to bring one in during the fair, it wouldn't cost a huge amount more to keep it there year round, plus it would give families a reason to visit the park year round. It's a better location for families that more and more live in the burbs, they having to go all the way to Stanley Park. It would hopefully even generate funds instead of bleed them.
I really like your 3rd idea. So true, the petting zoo would be a big success there all-year round. When I take my kids to the PNE that's the only thing they're interested in (too young for the Playland rides, and the rest of the PNE is just...'wha?!')

The idea for some good restaurants too is great. Maybe at the border of the park and the racecourse, to serve both markets. I've never walked down to the racecourse area because I've not had anything drawing me down there, but if I knew there was a great place to eat, it would be enough to take the wife if we were in the area.
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I really like your 3rd idea. So true, the petting zoo would be a big success there all-year round. When I take my kids to the PNE that's the only thing they're interested in (too young for the Playland rides, and the rest of the PNE is just...'wha?!')

The idea for some good restaurants too is great. Maybe at the border of the park and the racecourse, to serve both markets. I've never walked down to the racecourse area because I've not had anything drawing me down there, but if I knew there was a great place to eat, it would be enough to take the wife if we were in the area.
Aren't there like 5 restaurants in the racecourse plus concession? The size and caliber can be increased, but inside the casino building seems like a logical place to have restaurants. Close to, but outside the fair grounds, and next to the foot traffic generated by the Coliseum and beside the parking lots seems like a safer bet than away from parking in the middle of the Sanctuary, which is cordoned off during the fair.
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Here is the link to a list of amusement parks across Canada. Click each province and discover details about the many superior parks across Canada.
Vancouver, Canada'a third largest metro area, is long overdue for a major theme park attraction. checkk out these links and you will agree we are way behind.

http://www.themeparkcity.com/CAN_index.htm
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Here is the link to a list of amusement parks across Canada. Click each province and discover details about the many superior parks across Canada.
Vancouver, Canada'a third largest metro area, is long overdue for a major theme park attraction. checkk out these links and you will agree we are way behind.

http://www.themeparkcity.com/CAN_index.htm
Not all the links work but the major ones do. However, the names of all the parks listed there so you can look them up separately as I did.
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So the PNE is proposing it's newest ride, the Star Flyer it's 218ft tall to which should excite some of you.

Notification letter
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/develop...icationltr.PDF

Operational Letter
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/develop...ationalltr.pdf

Elevation
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/develop.../elevation.pdf

Sightlines
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/develop...sightlines.pdf

Guess we'll have to wait on that super ferris wheel before we're world class.
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So the PNE is proposing it's newest ride, the Star Flyer it's 218ft tall to which should excite some of you.
Are you sure it will be allowed? At that height, it might interfere with a viewcone!
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it kinda looks like a minnaret. hahah. stirring the pot, waiting for reactionary trolls in our society (not here).
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it kinda looks like a minnaret. hahah. stirring the pot, waiting for reactionary trolls in our society (not here).
Perhaps they want another publicity blitz similar to when the Hellevator was introduced - and the bible-thumpers went ballistic for several weeks.

It just confirmed the old saying 'there's no such thing as bad publicity'
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it looks the same height as the hellevator - boring
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It just confirmed the old saying 'there's no such thing as bad publicity'
Tell that to Millennium Water and Bob Rennie. Ha!
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Looks like the Star Flyer is now confirmed. According to a press release Vancity Buzz received.
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2011/02/s...-new-pne-ride/

I still feel the PNE needs to do more to get me back to the park
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Are you sure it will be allowed? At that height, it might interfere with a viewcone!
Exactly! Will someone please think of the children! But perhaps they won them over by painting it sea-foam green and adding a bike lane to the ride.
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Exactly! Will someone please think of the children! But perhaps they won them over by painting it sea-foam green and adding a bike lane to the ride.
All they need to do is make sure it was designed by James Cheng and the city will approve it.
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Let's hope this ride turns it's lights off early too. Think of the birds and all the unnecessary light pollution
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Looks like the Star Flyer is now confirmed. According to a press release Vancity Buzz received.
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2011/02/s...-new-pne-ride/

I still feel the PNE needs to do more to get me back to the park
It doesn't compare to Disney Land, that's for sure.
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