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Old Posted Feb 27, 2025, 8:04 PM
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Correct, each level was a long ramp to a flat end. The part that collapsed was ½ of the north end, so it broke the ‘spiral’. Also, that part was directly over the entrance/exit, so there is no easy ‘back-door’, either.

I was only half joking about the snow. It is plentiful right now (the City could provide tons of it from clearing operations) and packs densely when blown into a pile. It would also be easy to hoe out to lower the piles height to match the parking levels. Gravel or sand could also be used. Anyway, if a scissor-lift is strong enough, it could be used to provide the ‘bridge’.

What they need is to get a drivable platform diagonally across the gap, from level 6 (where the stairs bottom in Sue’s picture) to Level 5 (where the red truck is). This would allow vehicles to drive down to level 4 (middle level on the right). Then the scissor-lift (or snow/gravel pile) is lowered to provide a diagonal bridge from level 4 to level 3 (where the smashed white car is. All vehicle could then drive down to level 2, which exits into the demolished area (once the scissor-lift or pile is removed).
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Correct, each level was a long ramp to a flat end. The part that collapsed was ½ of the north end, so it broke the ‘spiral’. Also, that part was directly over the entrance/exit, so there is no easy ‘back-door’, either.

I was only half joking about the snow. It is plentiful right now (the City could provide tons of it from clearing operations) and packs densely when blown into a pile. It would also be easy to hoe out to lower the piles height to match the parking levels. Gravel or sand could also be used. Anyway, if a scissor-lift is strong enough, it could be used to provide the ‘bridge’.

What they need is to get a drivable platform diagonally across the gap, from level 6 (where the stairs bottom in Sue’s picture) to Level 5 (where the red truck is). This would allow vehicles to drive down to level 4 (middle level on the right). Then the scissor-lift (or snow/gravel pile) is lowered to provide a diagonal bridge from level 4 to level 3 (where the smashed white car is. All vehicle could then drive down to level 2, which exits into the demolished area (once the scissor-lift or pile is removed).
Given the rest of the structure is probably too compromised now, my personal expectation is that they will demolish the entire structure, cars and all. They might let people get their personal effects though.
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Given the rest of the structure is probably too compromised now, my personal expectation is that they will demolish the entire structure, cars and all. They might let people get their personal effects though.
I wouldn't assume that the whole thing is that compromised.
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Given the rest of the structure is probably too compromised now, my personal expectation is that they will demolish the entire structure, cars and all. They might let people get their personal effects though.
If they wanted to bring the whole structure down they wouldn't have stopped and been so tidy, they would keep going. The top level wall is still sitting there. The existing beams showing at the edge appear to be intact.

I can't imagine any reason why the top level couldn't be removed with a crane and a sling. A 180 lbs person attaching the sling isn't changing anything.

If this structure was in danger of imminent collapse Laurier would be closed as well. The structure is built like Lego as the new hospital parking lot right?

Personally I would love the idea of driving all the second level cars onto a giant mound of snow and then wait until spring melt to be gently lowered to the ground.

Realistically, some bracing/jackposts and driving the cars to the edge to be taken off with crane and slings should work. The weight of these cars are a fart in the wind compared to the snow load and structure itself.

There has to be enough money in the value of these vehicles for some engineers and creativity.
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Easy, just get the cars to the south end of the garage and lift them out. Roof deck first, then remove the beams during demo, remove the 2nd/3rd floor cars, remove the deck, remove the 1st/2nd floor cars.

Insurance will pay the owners for their vehicles, and Demo Plus can decide if they want to salvage the cars and re-sell. It'll be months before any more action on site.

But you're right, what about personal items inside vehicles? The garage is safe now, will the owner work with police to identify owners and have them come to site? Or maybe a cleaning company can come to site to remove things into moving bins and ship to people (more likely). Except for that red truck, Not sure who will approach that one lol
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But you're right, what about personal items inside vehicles?
'I just bought my wife a diamond pendant, and you guys demolished my car!'
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The Ottawa Citizen has a good story, with a bit of the history, about the parkade. It seems that I was wrong about when it was built. I had used GeoOttawa and seen the garage in what I thought was 1976, but it was just a ‘ghost’ of the 1991 image. The structure was built in 1989, so it is about 36 years old.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/clean...arage-collapse

According to the article, the land was owned by the City of Ottawa before it was given to developer Aron/Olympia York on the condition that they build at least 500 parking spaces. They built this 400-space garage.
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The Ottawa Citizen has a good story, with a bit of the history, about the parkade. It seems that I was wrong about when it was built. I had used GeoOttawa and seen the garage in what I thought was 1976, but it was just a ‘ghost’ of the 1991 image. The structure was built in 1989, so it is about 36 years old.
1989?!?!? Good god, that thing has always looked old and ugly, even in the 90s.
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Personally I would love the idea of driving all the second level cars onto a giant mound of snow and then wait until spring melt to be gently lowered to the ground.



Once again, I curse not being able to give thumbs up to posts here. Not just to acknowledge the creative ones that make me laugh but some of the ones that are informative, problem-solving, or just thoughtful.
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Vehicles could be trapped for weeks after Ottawa parking garage collapse
Owners frustrated by lack of communication face long wait to retrieve their cars

Nathan Fung, Campbell MacDiarmid · CBC News
Posted: Mar 01, 2025 4:00 AM EST | Last Updated: 6 hours ago


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On Thursday evening, a representative of Indigo Park Canada Inc. sent an email on behalf of property owner GWL Realty Advisors cautioning people with vehicles inside the garage against expecting a quick retrieval.

"GWLRA (property owner) is working closely with the city, emergency crews and a local team of experts to address the situation, render the site safe, and allow for the removal of vehicles," the email said. "They do not anticipate being able to access vehicles on the property for at least one to two weeks and we will be in touch with regular updates as this work progresses."

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Likewise, François Ste-Marie suspects the next few weeks will be a headache.

His vehicle is visible in photos of the partially demolished garage. A grey car on the level below has been crushed, but Ste-Marie's shiny red truck looks untouched.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...apse-1.7471044
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I am still trying to find confirmation on this but I was told Indigo had just sent out notice of a monthly parking rate increase for this lot. I will post back once I find proof. Still waiting on a couple of replies....
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All of the lots downtown Ottawa and Gatineau have increased their rates this month or next.
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I am still trying to find confirmation on this but I was told Indigo had just sent out notice of a monthly parking rate increase for this lot. I will post back once I find proof. Still waiting on a couple of replies....
There is a lot of misinformation being spewed on social media about this. The rate increase notice that was sent last week was for the L'Esplanade Laurier parking garage.
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Vehicles trapped in partially collapsed parking garage will need a ramp to get out

After the parkade on Slater Street partially collapsed, engineers are working to make a temporary ramp to free the dozens of vehicles still trapped.

Janson Duench, Special to the Citizen
Published Mar 04, 2025


Nearly a week after the partial collapse of a downtown Ottawa parking garage, engineers and the building’s owners are looking to construct a temporary ramp to remove the approximately 50 vehicles trapped inside.

Capacity Engineering Limited structural engineer Adam Hosny, who responded to the first call before the garage partially collapsed, said the process of designing a temporary ramp to allow vehicles to be removed from the garage has begun.  Hosny said engineering consulting firm Adjeleian Allen Rubeli Limited (AAR) is working with the building’s owners, GWL Realty Advisors, on the remediation and temporary repair of the structure.

“AAR will be designing temporary shoring and supports to make the structure safe and allow cars to get out of there,” Hosny said. He said the city has ordered AAR to have the garage shored by March 7, at which point the process of retrieving vehicles can begin. Constructing a ramp using shipping containers was one idea floated by engineers on site.

Parking management company Indigo Park Canada provided a statement on behalf of GWL Realty last week that “GWLRA is working closely with the city, emergency crews and a local team of experts to address the situation, render the site safe, and allow for the removal of vehicles.” It also said vehicles aren’t expected to be accessible “for at least one to two weeks.”

Line De Matteis, a public servant working downtown three days per week, was the first to report the cracks in the parking garage’s ceiling before its collapse. She was able to drive her Mazda 3 out of the parkade just before the structure was closed by emergency services.

“I’m truly grateful that I managed to get out when I did, but I sympathize with those whose vehicles are still parked on-site and remain inaccessible,” De Matteis wrote in an email.

Tim Sheffield’s Chevrolet Volt is trapped in the first level of the garage. From Kingston, he and his wife had to get a rental car without any coverage from their insurer because there was no claim on their vehicle.

“We were in shock, just trying to figure out what we were gonna do and no help from any of the parties involved,” Sheffield said.

“The lack of communication from GWL or Indigo has been pretty frustrating.”

Sheffield said Indigo previously told him to “save all your receipts and we’ll look at it in the future.”

“That’s a pretty sad response,” he said. “There has to be a settlement for all of our expenses and probably more because it’s an ongoing expense.”

Hosny said another firm, Capacity Engineering, is working with the city to pursue a forensic investigation into the cause of the collapse.

“We want to be able to get this to a full forensic report and a case study so we could get our lessons learned and figure out the best way for parking garages to be maintained and potentially an adequate snow removal plan in the future,” Hosny said.

“The rule of thumb in engineering is it always takes more than one reason for a collapse,” the engineer said. All factors would be looked into, but the snow load seen on the garage’s roof prior to the failure “definitely appeared to be more than the designed snow load and the intent of the building code.”

“It will definitely be a discussion with the city to see if we could get more stringent reviews out and snow removal plans seem to be an important one,” Hosny said. “One of my colleagues was driving around the city and he said he saw other parking garages have some snow up on their roof. He’s not sure if it was piled or not, but it’s definitely something that should start being considered more.”

Carole Whitehorne, the executive director of the Canadian Parking Association, which represents the public parking industry, said in a statement that “standards for regular maintenance and inspection of parking structures are an important component of the education provided to members of the Canadian Parking Association.”

Whitehorne confirmed Indigo Park Canada, which operated the parking structure, is a member of the Canadian Parking Association.

De Matteis first started parking in the now-collapsed garage in 2019 before the COVID-19 pandemic. She resumed parking in the garage, which is located directly beside her office building, after it was made mandatory for all government employees to return to work three days a week last year.

She wrote that the garage’s parking “always seemed poorly maintained to me.” She noted that “during heavy rains, the lot would often be closed due to its condition.”

“That being said, parking spaces are very limited in the area, so it was my best option,” De Matteis wrote.

After the collapse, Ottawa’s downtown parking capacity has shrunk by nearly 400 spots, leaving workers like De Matteis with fewer parking options. Whitehorne’s statement said the garage collapse “is bound to cause disruption for customers of other parking garages in the area.”

This is the case for De Metteis, who said she had to wake up early to leave her home in Stittsville and secure a parking spot at 328 Laurier Ave., a garage operated by JPark Management Inc. She said the rate was $1 cheaper than her old garage.

However, a federally owned parking garage at 300 Laurier, located across the street from the partially collapsed garage, issued a nearly 16 per cent increase to its monthly parking rate the day following the collapse. The facility’s management, SP Plus Corporation, said it “doesn’t set the rate” but “the rate increase has been discussed for months.” The last increase was in 2018.

SP Plus operates 16 parking facilities across Ottawa.

Whitehorne recommended alternatives to parking including car-pooling, rideshare, park-and-ride lots and public transit.

“If commuters haven’t yet experienced the LRT in Ottawa, now would be a great time to give it a try,” Whitehorne wrote. “It might be more convenient than searching for downtown parking spots during this disruption and become a new alternative to the Ottawa commute.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/vehic...amp-to-get-out
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Owners will be getting their cars out soon from parking garage that partially collapsed

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March 20, 2025 | Updated 6 hours ago


The parking garage on Slater Street has been off limits since February. The company says a plan to get the vehicles out has been approved by the Ministry of Labour and will be done in phases.

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Started "liberating" cars a few weeks ago.

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They have started taking the garage down, in contrast to the very dusty bit-by-bit chipping going on next door, looks like they are lifting sizeable intact slabs of this out. I'll try and get a better action picture...


https://i.imgur.com/8sIlD2K.jpeg

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I wonder if we'll actually see the start of construction on this project or if it's just to demolish the parkade and the lot might sit empty for years (really hoping for the former).
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I wonder if we'll actually see the start of construction on this project or if it's just to demolish the parkade and the lot might sit empty for years (really hoping for the former).
At the very least, removing a partially collapsed garage surrounded by fencing is a minor win.
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