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Old Posted Jun 9, 2008, 8:39 PM
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Royalties are king!!!! I heard Mel Torme would get at cheque for $250,000 every July because that is when they paid the royalties on a song he co-wrote called, The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire)............... And that is re-occuring revenue.

CBC will pick it up again. Just like the Ron Maclean contract negotiations, there will be a public outcry and they will cave and pay whatever it takes......... Anyways, that is my prediction.
I guess I got that one wrong: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stor...g.html?ref=rss

Who saw that coming???? But it definitely makes sense that CBC wasn't interested in buying the song in perpetuity as they won't have HNIC in perpetuity. Looks to me like the agency that was negotiating on behalf of the composer was perhaps using the CBC as a level to get more $$$ out of CBC.
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I know...I can't believe that we might not hear that theme song again.
Just download it from iTunes.
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Just download it from iTunes.
And you can listen to it all the time for only $0.99, not $500 per play

I once heard the Shuffle Demons play the song in concert, it was pretty amazing.

The Shuffle Demons, now I'm showing my age
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The Shuffle Demons, now I'm showing my age
Spa, spa, spa, spadina bus!!
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REPORT: DEL BIAGGIO TRIED TO SELL PREDS' STAKE TO BALSILLIE

Jim Balsillie appears to have been shut out once again in his attempt to buy his way into the National Hockey League.

According to a report in the Toronto Star, financier and Nashville Predators' minority owner Williams "Boots" Del Biaggio denied in his attempt to sell Balsillie his 27 per cent stake in the Predators in order to liquidate some of his assets. Del Biaggio has recently been accused of loan fraud and has filed for personal Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.

"(It's) another public relations campaign," Bill Daly, the NHL's deputy commissioner, told the Star via email.

"The league doesn't decide anything. The board of governors decides. I would imagine, however, that every potential seller must take into consideration the `approvability' of the potential buyer. Given the track record we have with this particular potential buyer, I'm not sure a healthy dose of skepticism on the `approvability' factor isn't warranted."

However, Richard Rodier, Balsillie's legal adviser, say the Research-in-Motion founder has the support of other NHL owners.

"I think clearly the commissioner's office is skeptical, more than skeptical," said Rodier. "As for individual owners .. we've had messages of support from a lot of individual owners."

Balsillie failed in an attempt last year to purchase the Predators and move them to Hamilton, Ontario.
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Agreed FairHamilton--I would shocked if they don't pick it up--sadly the tactics of the organization that represents the composer will be effective. They released their statement this morning, but the CBC has come back and said that it's all news to them--as far as CBC Sports was concerned negotiations were still ongoing...too bad they hadn't bought the rights outright years ago--assuming she was willing to sell.

It'll be interesting to see what comes of this supposed upheaval amongst some of the U.S. franchises--in the past they have given lukewarm support to Bettman's efforts to ensure there were no additional Canadian franchises--but after 15 odd years I think it's fair to say that the sport is simply not going to explode outside of it's traditional U.S. markets...and as such, a lucrative U.S. TV deal is simply never going to happen. If things get dire enough and there are teams in danger of folding--is that the game changer that opens the door to more Canadian teams? Borrowing is a tough game these days--so selling franchises would obviously be an uphill battle. The ultimate dream would be teams back in QC and the Peg, as well as Hamilton...like I said...that's a fantasy--but realistically...if we can get a team in Copps...the rest would merely be gravy.
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Gretzky on NHL expansion:
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The part owner and coach of the Phoenix Coyotes says he isn't sure if the NHL will ever add another Canadian franchise but does think there would be a market for one in Southwestern Ontario.

"I don't think there's any question that Hamilton or Kitchener or that area, that region, could definitely support a National Hockey League team," said Gretzky. "It's one of those things where there's so much red tape ...

"Down the road, I can possibly see a team in Hamilton or Kitchener being part of the National Hockey League. ... These kind of things have a way of working themselves out."
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It's been a dissapointing 2 years. First with the Predators not coming up and the Connaught not moving forward. Maybe Gretzky can bring the Coyotes up to Hamilton. He's originally from Brantford isn't he. I would nominate him to deity status for sure.
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Talk is JB is closing in on a deal to purchase Boots Del Biaggio’s 20 per cent stake in the Predators.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/...lie_predators/

If true, this gives JB a much better chance of moving the team to Hamilton as he'll be working from the inside. The monster financial meltdown in the US increases his odds as well.
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Talk is JB is closing in on a deal to purchase Boots Del Biaggio’s 20 per cent stake in the Predators.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2008/...lie_predators/

If true, this gives JB a much better chance of moving the team to Hamilton as he'll be working from the inside. The monster financial meltdown in the US increases his odds as well.
The source of the rumour is Bob McCown of the Fan 590 and he claims that Balsillie is close to purchasing a majority of the team rather than just 20 percent of it. McCown claims that the sale is "virtually complete" and could be announced at any time. However, both Balsillie's camp and the Nashville ownership group are denying that they have had any contact at all.

I don't know that you can say that what is happening in the US helps Balsillie. He has lost over a billion dollars in paper net worth over the last couple of trading days and tightened credit markets would probably make it more difficult rather than easier for him to secure the financing necessary to purchase something as big as an NHL team.

Let's see what happens!
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I don't know that you can say that what is happening in the US helps Balsillie. He has lost over a billion dollars in paper net worth over the last couple of trading days and tightened credit markets would probably make it more difficult rather than easier for him to secure the financing necessary to purchase something as big as an NHL team.
Yeah, I was thinking about that. I guess it comes down to how the NHL will weather the storm compared to how JB will. They'll both get hit, but we don't yet know by how much.

In any case, I'd anxious to hear the developments in this (if revealed to be true). A team in Hamilton can go a long way in helping this city and in turn can really help the NHL.
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Balsillie back in Predators picture
Twice-spurned NHL suitor has competition for 27-per-cent share of team up for grabs in bankruptcy court

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From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

September 30, 2008 at 9:51 PM EDT

Jim Balsillie has competition for the minority share of the Nashville Predators once held by the disgraced William (Boots) Del Biaggio.

Herb Fritch, a minority partner in the NHL team, plus two other sources told The Globe and Mail Tuesday the Predators ownership group headed by majority owner David Freeman has bid for Del Biaggio's 27-per-cent share of the team, which is under the control of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in San Francisco.

Del Biaggio was supposedly investigated and approved by the NHL as a prospective owner after the league rejected a bid for the team from Balsillie, the co-founder of Canadian-based Research In Motion Ltd.

Del Biaggio lost control of his share when he filed for bankruptcy last June. He has been accused of fraud by several lenders and is facing a multitude of lawsuits seeking upward of $170-million (all currency U.S.).

Balsillie's lawyer, Richard Rodier, declined to comment. A Predators spokesman said Freeman also has no comment.

Fritch, the chief executive officer of HealthSpring Inc., a health-care company based in Nashville, said purchasing Del Biaggio's share would increase the value of the franchise, which cost the partners $176-million when it was purchased from Craig Leipold last year.

Fritch also said, “There are some governance issues we could clarify easier.”

One source said the bid for the 27-per-cent stake is for $20-million. In Del Biaggio's bankruptcy filing, the share is said to be worth $23.5-million, and is his biggest single asset. Fritch declined to say how much the partners bid, but admitted it was at a discount to the stated value.

There is ample evidence, however, that Balsillie would not be afraid to make a much higher bid.

Before he was rejected as a potential owner by the NHL because he made no secret about his plans to move the Predators to Hamilton, Balsillie had agreed to pay Leipold $238-million for the team.

Fritch said the bankruptcy trustee may not be able to simply sell to the highest bidder. He said there are two complications: Balsillie's bid would have to be approved first by the rest of the Predators' owners, and then by the NHL's board of governors.

“I believe our group has to approve any sale of those shares, so we have some control over who gets them,” Fritch said, before adding he was not sure if that right would hold up in bankruptcy court.

“I don't care what the amount [of the bid] is, it's got to be approved by the powers that be,” he said. “I think the bankruptcy trustee has to take that into account.”

Del Biaggio once claimed his shares included the right to buy out the other partners if certain financial obligations were not met.

That is crucial to any potential bid by Balsillie, who would need full control to take advantage of clauses in the Predators' arena lease that allow the team to move by the end of the 2009-10 season if attendance targets are not met and the team loses a total of $20-million over three seasons.

While Freeman has said there is no such right, sources say it might have to be decided by the bankruptcy court.

Todd Neilson, the bankruptcy trustee, would not say who has filed a bid for the shares. When asked via e-mail if he was bound to accept the highest bid, Neilson did not respond.

If the partners succeed in buying the Del Biaggio shares, they will own 95.4 per cent of the team. The remainder is in the hands of Warren Woo, who bought 30 per cent of the franchise in partnership with Del Biaggio.

In any event, it looks like it will be a long time before the winning bid is announced. Del Biaggio's court problems are complicated and it looks like a long, bitter fight is ahead.

Del Biaggio's labyrinthine business dealings are detailed in the increasingly fractious and complicated bankruptcy proceeding that continues to grind on in a San Francisco court. (Del Biaggio is also the subject of a U.S. grand jury probe and a separate FBI criminal investigation.) There are more than three dozen creditors – including Washington Mutual, a savings and loan that went bust this week in what it being termed the largest bank collapse in U.S. history.

The various factions of creditors are squabbling with the bankruptcy trustee over whether they should have access to confidential filings and documents.

A lawyer for the trustee, John D. Fiero, said during a court proceeding in mid-August that they shouldn't because he is trying to protect “what the trustee is doing with regard to trying to tee up a sale of the hockey team.”

And the court-appointed trustee is even suing one of the creditors, a California-based family trust fund, alleging it is really a co-debtor of Del Biaggio's and should therefore return the portion he paid back of a $5-million loan.

According to court documents filed on Aug. 15, the fund, known as the Brandenburg Revocable Trust, lent the money to Del Biaggio on July 18, 2007, “so I [Del Biaggio] can make an offer to acquire the assets of the Predators.”

The loan was to expire 18 months later, at which point the fund could ask for money, or convert the loan into a 7.5-per-cent interest in the hockey team.

In a breezy letter to confirm the deal, Del Biaggio added a sweetener: If the trust converted the loan into equity, they would get an additional 10-per-cent cut on profits and bonuses.

But three weeks later, on Aug. 6, 2007, the Brandenburg trust suddenly called the loan, and received $4-million in November.

The catch? The trustee alleges Del Biaggio was already insolvent by then, and that he made the payments “for the benefit of Lee H. Brandenburg” – a trust administrator who referred to Del Biaggio as “dear Boots” and “a great partner and a great friend” in a letter calling the loan.

He also alluded to the Predators purchase as “a terrific deal.”

Brandenburg denied the allegations in a counter-claim filed last week, and continues to be listed as a creditor in the court file.

Another of Del Biaggio's creditors is a group of companies in which he once held major financial stakes – in a quirk of U.S. law, they are also listed as debtors, given his stocks.

And in a hearing before Northern California District Bankruptcy Court Judge Thomas E. Carlson, the lawyer for the group likened Del Biaggio's methods to “a Ponzi scheme” and speculated the flamboyant former venture capitalist could well confess to his misdeeds rather than drag out a criminal prosecution.
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Good article that was.
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No question the economic "tangle" in the U.S. is going to hurt the weaker NHL franchises--tickets are a lot more 'discretionary' in Atlanta, Nashville, Miami, etc -- than they are elsewhere in the league.
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Balsillie unlikely to pursue Preds as 'minority owner': lawyer

October 02, 2008
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Media reports that Canadian businessman Jim Balsillie, who has long sought an National Hockey League franchise for southern Ontario, is again attempting to buy all or part of the Nashville Predators appear to be premature.

Reports surfaced that Balsillie, the co-founder of Waterloo-based Research In Motion Ltd., was close to either purchasing the Preds outright or making a bid for the 27-per-cent share of the team which is in the hands of a bankruptcy court. That share was held by William (Boots) Del Baggio, who filed for bankruptcy early this year, and is listed in court documents as being worth about $25-million US.

But sources yesterday indicated that linking Balsillie's name to the Preds in any ownership capacity at this time is misleading. One source said that to even suggest Balsillie is "kicking the tires" on potential financial involvement with the Nashville franchise is overstating the reality of the situation.

If such a move is being made, it's being done without the involvement of anyone at this end.

Hamilton Councillor Terry Whitehead, who has been front and centre in previous attempts, says he's heard absolutely nothing from Balsillie or his people.

As for the folks running Copps Coliseum, out of which any team would presumably play at least in the short term, it's the same story.

"We've had absolutely no contact," says HECFI CEO Duncan Gillespie.

This may or may not be significant, as during Balsillie's courtship of the Pittsburgh Penguins, a deal was in place that would've given him exclusive use of Copps. That deal expired and has never been renewed. However, it's clear from past hopes, that the decks would be cleared with little difficulty if the opportunity to bring a team to town materialized.

Richard Rodier, Balsillie's lawyer, said his camp expects that whoever purchases the outstanding 27 per cent of the Preds wouldn't have much control over the future of the franchise.

It would seem unlikely that Balsillie, given his desire to bring another NHL team to Canada, would pursue minority ownership in a club he could not ultimately control.
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that would be dumb to put a second team in TO. Shows how much Bettman doesn't want a team here.
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“It's a minor-league town,” the governor said of Hamilton. “How could we sell a team from Hamilton? Do you think the New York Rangers want to put the Hamilton Steelers on their marquee at Madison Square Garden? Do you think anyone in Manhattan would buy tickets to see them?”
I guess it's like when Edmonton comes to town?



That's a kick in the pants, I'll just keep ignoring the NHL and badmouth it whenever I can.
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I'm guessing that Maple Leaf Sports would be a big supporter of putting another team in Toronto. They know Hamilton would be a competitor to their franchise with no additional revenue for them. Putting another team in Toronto would result in a lot of additional revenue for them at the ACC.

I know I'll get lots of support for this statement; The NHL blows!!!
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First Hamilton is too close to Toronto to get a team now it's that Hamilton is too far from Toronto to get a team. Jeez!
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This is BULL!

Propose to drop another NHL team on the door step of Toronto and all of a sudden they have no issues with competition and possible lack of revenue.

Propose to have a team down the road in another city all together and there's a big fuss about market infringment and protecting the Maple Leafs interests.

I used to think people were being a little paranoid when they would say that buisness interests in Toronto were actively screwing over Hamilton. It turns out there's something to that after all.
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