Deleware Avenue EL
I love to see that there is now potentially development planned along the river....once it starts .....there will be a waterfall of high rise projects along the river....( so long as covid is conquered)
This discussion about rail is interesting....you all do know that there use to be an El along delaware Ave that was demolished in the 60’s ....see these links below
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7m7JDeHsOk
http://phillyandstuff.blogspot.com/2...ilway.html?m=1
When discussing subways in Philly why do people always say that there are only 2 lines. In other cities any rail that travels underground is considered a subway, even if the vast majority of the route is at grade ( on the ground) examples being Washington, Atlanta, San Francisco, Dallas, Portland, Pittsburgh and Buffalo. If the rule of having rail run underground works as a definition for subway in other cities, then why doesn't that same rule work for Philadelphia. Transit enthusiasts always say that Philly has 2 or 3 lines But I contend that by using the definition of subway that other cities follow, Philly has 6 lines. Philly has a subway that runs below broad Street, Market Street, Ridge Ave (this is a spur from the broad street line- however in other cities spurs are considered seperate lines- in DC the green and yellow line travel the same route for the majority of the route and deviate or spur at the ends of the line only- the same can be said for the orange and blue lines in DC). Philly also has a line at walnut street (also called the Patco line from New Jersey). Philly has the Arch street lines these are the multiple cummuter lines that go underground downtown serving 3 stations downtown). Philly also has the subway surface trolley lines- 5 seperate routes in total that travel below maket street downtown but travel below pine street in West Philadlphia. Also, the subway surface trolley lines deviate into seperate tunnels in west philadelphia creating spurs. I do not know he other street (other than Pine street that the subway travels below in West philly.
So using this definition of subway lines (recognized and used by other cities) Transit enthusiast should agree that Philly has 6 lines total - 1) Broad St. 2) Market St. 3) walnut st. 4) Ridge ave 5) Arch St. 6) Pine St. In other cities (washington and Atlanta) you have seperate routes traveling in the same tunnel and deviating at the end of the line creating (in their definition) seperate distinct subway lines. If this rule/ definition Of seperate distinct subway lines followed in other cities, was also applied in philly then the subway surface lines would all be considered 5 seperate distinct subway lines and the Arch street line should also be considered 15 seperate distinct subway lines....Sadly, we all know that the rule and definitions of what is and what is not considerate a seperate distinct subway line (while it works in most other cites outside of NY, Chicaga and Boston) do not work for Philly in the eyes of transit enthusiast.
Also, when other cities ( excluding New York, Chicago and Boston) count lines they count all lines combined city and cummuter -suburban lines. When using that line counting method, Philly could identify 20 lines.
As a native Philadelphian I think that most native Philadelphians, Bostonians, New Yorkers and Chicagoans assume that a subway/ El is considered such if the entire route ( or majority) is either buried In a tunnel or travels on a bridge directly above a street, Whereas people from other cities define a subway simply if any of the line (even if it's not the majority of the route ) travels below ground.
As I have always said, Philly is like Rodney Dangetfield's famous statement, "I gets no respect."
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https://youtu.be/kw5VkI2JAqM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bB8Bby_sNGU
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