NEW YORK | 418 11th Ave | FT | FLOORS

[NYguy]

If built at this height, the Hudson Yards area skyline north would balance out nicely with 700-900 ft towers.

[Busy Bee]

Well, that's just, like, you're opinion, man.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Well, that's just, like, you're opinion, man.

We'll have to agree to disagree

[chris08876]

Might take some adjustment. This design kind of reminds me of an upside down 2 WTC (BIG Design) based on the North/South profile.

Not so much a fan of the North/South profile but can dig how it looks via the river based on the renderings. Either way, will be happy when it rises!

[Busy Bee]

^Not so much upside down as it is taking the cantilevering to the absurd extreme.

[pianowizard]

I just worry that it might collapse!

[Hudson11]

I think most of the proposals will have a distinguishable cantilever due to the need to accommodate for the service building.

[NYguy]

The 1,500 ft bid here is not the proposal, until it is selected over all other proposals, which we haven't seen. So I've updated the height to reflect up to 1,500 ft. It could be more (we haven't seen), but it could be less as well.

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by Hudson11

I think most of the proposals will have a distinguishable cantilever due to the need to accommodate for the service building.

I presume you are referring to the ventilation building for the 7 line. If so, i see no reason why the site couldn't be maximized without the use of dramatic cantilevering. And do we even know if this accomidation requires absolute "air reservation" if you will or would an arrangment like the cantelever we will see at 343 Madison where enough open air to suffice adequete air draw but structure above?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

I presume you are referring to the ventilation building for the 7 line. If so, i see no reason why the site couldn't be maximized without the use of dramatic cantilevering. And do we even know if this accomidation requires absolute "air reservation" if you will or would an arrangment like the cantelever we will see at 343 Madison where enough open air to suffice adequete air draw but structure above?

There are a few challenges to the site (both Amtrak and the MTA), but 55 Hudson was also developed with a ventilation structure. I don't know that the cases are exactly the same though.

Originally Posted by NYguy

The tower would be built in a way similar to 55 Hudson Yards...

55 Hudson



https://www.structuremag.org/?p=12098



How Extell planned to build on that site, incorporating the vent....



https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...=199630&page=2

[Busy Bee]

Thanks for posting those... Looks like, at least these west side vent buildings require more or less 100' of open space for adequite ventilation to the tunnel.

[Raysiri]

Nice! Is this skyscraper will be named “Affirmation Tower” or One Hudson Yards?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Raysiri

Nice! Is this skyscraper will be named “Affirmation Tower” or One Hudson Yards?

One Hudson Yards was a supertall proposal by Extell Development for what is now 55 Hudson Yards. There was a “swap” with Related that got Extell taking over the 740 8th Ave site, where it plans another supertall tower with an observation deck.


https://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum...&postcount=108

[Drcastro]

I just don’t understand the urge to design towers that actively make people uncomfortable.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Drcastro

I just don’t understand the urge to design towers that actively make people uncomfortable.

Tall towers in general make a lot of people uncomfortable. Even people who live in midtown Manhattan, which I don’t understand.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Tall towers in general make a lot of people uncomfortable. Even people who live in midtown Manhattan, which I don’t understand.

Lol I think construction, in general, makes Nimby's uncomfortable.

[chris08876]

There's going to be a lot of towers rising in this area, so they better get use to the construction. We still have Phase II of HY yet to start.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by chris08876

There's going to be a lot of towers rising in this area, so they better get use to the construction. We still have Phase II of HY yet to start.

Yep, then there's also East Midtown and a few scattered big ones.

[MAC123]

Originally Posted by Drcastro

I just don’t understand the urge to design towers that actively make people uncomfortable.

Do you mean the cantilevers? That's their appeal. They're made to look like they'd fall over in a strong breeze when in reality they are perfectly structural sound.

Why do they design them like that? It depends. Sometimes it's for aesthetics, sometimes it's zoning, sometimes it's just clever engineering to get around the site's inherent limitations.

Besides I don't think it really matters all that much, there are lots of things in NYC that might be considered uncomfortable. In fact, some people from around where I"m from would consider it uncomfortable living in NYC (or any big city like it at all). Though I consider their reasons for this to be stupid at best and I heavily disagree them.

[Zerton]

I love the details and material of the columns but I’m not really sold on the overall massing. Why cantilever over your own site? It’s unnecessary structure for no reason other than “cool” aesthetics. It blocks sunlight into the lower floors on the west facade. No opportunity for terraces. Just nonsensical imo.