Yeah, you just have to go by the zoning, as neither the towers nor the bus terminal have been designed yet.
Also the towers all sit on top of the terminal so I would think they would appear even taller since the buildable space would basically begin at the roofline of the PABT itself.
Does he realize this is just a rough massing illustration?
Hmm I dunno. I'll have to ask him if he knows what a massing is.
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And this is just for zoned usage, meaning the actual size of the towers will be significantly larger. For example, the 3 msf zoned tower, when included mechanical and non floor use areas, would be somewhere between 3.5 and 4 msf overall.
Hopefully that means taller, not fatter. If all four towers become taller, they could all be supertalls!
I would really like to see a tower in this project that looks like London's Shard, or the cancelled Chicago Spire. The NYC skyline is obviously made up of towers with lots of different shapes, but those are 2 unique ones I think it is sorely missing.
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The JPMorgan Chase Building 270 Park Avenue is 1,388 ft tall with 2,5 msf. 175 Park Avenue is 1,575ft tall with 2,6 msf. Here instead we have a tower with a potential of 3,5-4 msf. Imagine the greatness.
Second ... Site 4 could host Affirmation Tower as option B at the current 418 11th Avenue site.
50 HY . 1,011 ft - 2.9 million sqft
Metlife . 808 ft- 3,078,513 sqft (I found conflicting numbers on this, but it's around 3 million sqft)
Sure we could get a extremely tall one. In fact Merdeka 118 is around 3.1 million sqft, and even without the spire it's still 1,702 ft. But I highly doubt that, from the massings it'll probably be 1,100 to 1,200 ft.
Ofc things can always change down though.
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Also the towers all sit on top of the terminal so I would think they would appear even taller since the buildable space would basically begin at the roofline of the PABT itself.
That would definitely factor into design.
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Don't get too excited.
50 HY . 1,011 ft - 2.9 million sqft
Metlife . 808 ft- 3,078,513 sqft (I found conflicting numbers on this, but it's around 3 million sqft)
All of those towers have massive footprints, especially MetLife, with massive ground floor plates. These towers wont have much of that, and the bus terminal infrastructure will add to these towers being higher.
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This will be a MASSIVE development, but the good news is that it will be built on Port Authority infrastructure. Much of the "dead zones" around the terminal and tunnel access will be built over. It's a win-win.
The western half of the project would be built first, along with the foundations of towers 3 and 4, before the current terminal can be torn down and replaced.
This development also overlaps the northern Hudson Yards, giving some much need height on that end to balance the southern Hudson Yards. Neighboring projects include Silverstein's 520 W. 41st Street, and 550 10th Avenue.
An overview of the footprint on GoogleEarth...
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Foster + Partners, Epstein Announced As Architectural Advisors For Port Authority’s Midtown Bus Terminal In Times Square, Manhattan
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The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has selected Foster + Partners and Epstein to help reimagine Manhattan’s 72-year-old Midtown Bus Terminal in Times Square. The replacement project will create a new terminal for New York City buses, dedicated spaces for intercity buses, staging areas, electric vehicle charging stations, outward-facing retail, and 3.5 acres of public green space.
The existing main bus terminal will be demolished and replaced with a new facility to better serve more than 260,000 daily passengers. Based on pre-pandemic ridership trends, demand through 2040 is expected to increase by 30 percent with estimates of up to 337,000 daily weekday passenger trips.
New renderings of the project also offer a glimpse of four mixed-use towers that could rise above Times Square, as well as a detailed site plan for facilities beyond the main terminal.
“In addition to substantive new redevelopment and transportation projects such as the rebuilding of our airports and the World Trade Center campus, the proposal to build a new Midtown Bus Terminal continues our agency’s essential role of delivering major transportation projects that can transform entire neighborhoods for the better and revitalize the regional economy,” said Port Authority chairman Kevin O’Toole.
Throughout the design phase and environmental review process, Foster + Partners and Epstein will provide advisory services on urban design, streetscape and community impact, construction materials, building efficiency, and interior design. The joint team will also provide critical support during the ongoing National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) review, a requirement that helps predict the environmental impact of major federal project.
“Already the world’s busiest bus terminal, the project also has the potential to become the most desirable destination in Midtown,” said Juan Vieira-Pardo, a partner of Foster + Partners. “We believe that together with the Port Authority, Epstein, representatives of the surrounding community, stakeholders and passengers, we can help deliver an innovative, state-of-the-art, net-zero transportation facility that is fit for the 21st century.”
In 2019, the Port Authority unveiled its plans to replace the Midtown Bus Terminal in a draft scoping document that analyzed how the agency could improve one of the largest bus terminals and transportation districts in the country. This latest proposal was updated to reflect feedback from local community groups, elected officials, bus riders, and urban planners.
“As we make crucial upgrades to the roads, bridges, and tunnels within our most pivotal transportation corridors, we must ensure that we improve not just the functionality and efficiency of our infrastructure, but the experiences of our commuters,” said New Jersey governor Phil Murphy. “The Port Authority’s announcement of an architect advisory team to guide the replacement of the Midtown Bus Terminal comes in response to New Jerseyans and New Yorkers who are rightfully demanding better.”
This seems like it would be a logistics nightmare. Glad it's happening though.
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1. 2nd phase of Hudson Yards + adjacent developments
2. PA Bus Terminal
3. Penn Station towers + Vornado towers
This side of Manhattan will have north of 25 very large towers all clustered together.
It may overtake Midtown Manhattan in terms of jaw-dropping scale.
The entire island will be Coruscant by 2050.
The march to 100 supertalls continues apace.
That is Midtown Manhattan
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