Observations on very recent immigration trends for your City

[RST500]

African and Asian newcomers are the new face of migrants in NYC

https://gothamist.com/news/african-a...igrants-in-nyc

[3rd&Brown]

Originally Posted by RST500

African and Asian newcomers are the new face of migrants in NYC

https://gothamist.com/news/african-a...igrants-in-nyc

This is the same in Philadelphia. Add to that Central Asia (Georgia, Uzbekistan, and Khazakstan in particular).

[RST500]

Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

This is the same in Philadelphia. Add to that Central Asia (Georgia, Uzbekistan, and Khazakstan in particular).

I've heard that LA's SF Valley is attracting Central Asian immigrants, primarily Uzbeks.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by RST500

I've heard that LA's SF Valley is attracting Central Asian immigrants, primarily Uzbeks.

The Uzbek and Georgian communities have to be growing. In NYC, especially in Brooklyn, I see a big increase in Uzbek and Georgian restaurants, storefronts and the like.

Also, Russian/Ukranian/Belorussian food is kinda meh and Uzbek/Georgian food is really good, so you see a lot of culinary shift in former Soviet neighborhoods.

[RST500]

Originally Posted by benp

In the last few months we have had 2 Yemeni cafes, at least 1 new Yemeni restaurant, and a full service Yemeni-owned (via Detroit) supermarket open up in and around my North Buffalo neighborhood. There have been several other Muslim-oriented businesses opening all over, but this sudden Yemeni cluster in my neighborhood took me by surprise.

Just this month, local Muslim leaders stated that the overall Muslim population of the Buffalo area has been growing exponentially and now approaches 100,000, which just 20 years ago was estimated to be only around 5,000. A search for mosques in the area now lists almost 50, and new businesses serving the community are announced weekly. The huge growth of Bangladeshi relocating to Buffalo is fairly well know, but there also appears to be a substantial growth of other Muslims from the Middile East, Africa, South Asia, and relocating from other cities in the US.

Fresno has also been getting a lot of Yemeni immigrants.

[photoLith]

Here in Carnegie, Pittsburghs first Muslim oriented clothing store opened this week. I hope more Muslims start moving to my neighborhood. They are much better neighbors than thugs and white trash. There’s also an Afghani restaurant that opened a couple of years ago downtown. Im sure the Yinzers hate it but as far as I can tell, Muslim immigrants don’t litter, don’t cause crime and are family oriented.

In the past year, an Indian family moved down the street from us and a Muslim family bought a house a block away…

There’s also (what I assume) illegal Central American immigrants living across the street from us now. They’re fine but they litter everywhere which drives me insane.

[mrnyc]

cleveland just opened a new welcome center for immigrants —




Cuyahoga County to open new welcome center for immigrants and refugees

Ideastream Public Media | By Gabriel Kramer
Published February 14, 2024


Cuyahoga County opened its new welcome center at 10 a.m. Wednesday in Cleveland’s Old Brooklyn neighborhood to provide resources to newcomers — primarily immigrants and refugees.

Newcomers will be able to get help finding work, housing, legal assistance and multilingual services at the center, according to the county.

The center is part of the county’s plan to attract immigrants to the region and boost the overall population, said Cuyahoga County Executive Chris Ronayne.

“When you look at successful metropolitans that have been growing over the years, often the secret to their success is and a key ingredient is they welcome newcomers and immigrants,” Ronayne said. “We in greater Cleveland have not experienced population growth, yet we have the capacity to welcome more persons here.”

The county’s immigrant population has grown, despite the overall population shrinking from 2012 to 2022, according to the American Community Survey from the U.S. Census Bureau. In 2012, about 83,000 of the county’s 1,265,000 residents, 6.5%, were immigrants. In 2022, about 94,000 of the county’s 1,236,000 residents, 7.6%, were foreign-born.

“Our strength is in our diversity,” Ronayne said. “If we’re intentional about welcoming the world to Cleveland, Ohio, we’re going to grow.”


more:
https://www.ideastream.org/governmen...s-and-refugees

[Crawford]

I don't know much about the Mormon community, but the Orthodox Jewish community is heavily dependent on big govt. largesse. The communities couldn't exist absent massive taxpayer transfers.

Their recent rightward shift is a bit odd, then, but you see the communities generally voting Dem locally (to keep the subsidies going - massive housing, healthcare, food, childcare and schooling subsidies) while voting GOP nationally (Trumpism and social issue warfare is extremely popular).

The per-household taxpayer expenditures in Orthodox areas of Brooklyn are, by far, the highest in the city. Much higher than some stereotypical housing project full of low income blacks and Latinos.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I don't know much about the Mormon community, but the Orthodox Jewish community is heavily dependent on big govt. largesse. The communities couldn't exist absent massive taxpayer transfers.

Their recent rightward shift is a bit odd, then, but you see the communities generally voting Dem locally (to keep the subsidies going - massive housing, healthcare, food, childcare and schooling subsidies) while voting GOP nationally (Trumpism and social issue warfare is extremely popular).

The per-household taxpayer expenditures in Orthodox areas of Brooklyn are, by far, the highest in the city. Much higher than some stereotypical housing project full of low income blacks and Latinos.

Mormonism is IMHO more akin to modern Orthodox than the Hasids you are talking about. It has its own weird cultural traditions, but it's 100% part of the American mainstream and is affected by the same sort of cultural trends. For example, Mormon families are shrinking, just like most non-Mormons. It's just that they are dropping from a higher base, so the average Mormon now has three kids, IIRC.

The Amish are the second big parallel culture which has resisted assimilation. Though in terms of the economy, they are polar opposites of the Hasids, as they are 100% in favor of total self-reliance within the community. Their famous anti-technology stance is not borne out of any religious doctrine per se, but an unwillingness to become dependent upon things like the power grid for survival.

Many (though not all) Amish communities are quite cash rich, as they have little need for cash for daily necessities, with most of what they earn going into savings to acquire more land. Which is part of the reason why established Amish communities keep creating "satellite communities" in the Midwest (along with the high birth rates necessitating continued expansion).

[MolsonExport]

In 2022, the following 10 countries were Canada’s top immigration sources according to each immigrant’s country of citizenship.
India (118, 095 immigrants) – 27%
China (31,815 immigrants) - 7.2%
Afghanistan (23,735 immigrants) – 5.4%
Nigeria (22,085 immigrants) – 5.05%
Philippines (22,070 immigrants) – 5.04%
France (14,145 immigrants) – 3.2%
Pakistan (11,585 immigrants) – 2.6%
Iran (11,105 immigrants) – 2.5%
United States of America (10,400 immigrants) – 2.3%
Syria (8,500 immigrants) – 1.9%

In 2022, 42.2% of new PRs chose Ontario as their initial destination—a decrease from the nearly 49% who landed throughout the province in the year prior. This may be a function of Canada’s effort to spread the benefits of immigration further across the country, which is being accomplished as the PNP starts becoming more prevalent than Express Entry over time.

In second place was Quebec, which landed 68,685 immigrants in 2022. This figure represents about 15.7% of all new immigrants, up slightly from just over 12% in 2021.

Finally, British Columbia landed 14% of Canada’s immigrants in 2022, down around three percent from last year. The only other region to exceed 10% of all landed immigrants in 2022 was Alberta, as the province landed a total of 49,460 immigrants throughout the year (11.3%).

Province/Territory 2022 PRs % of all PRs % change from 2021
Newfoundland and Labrador 3,490 0.7% +0.2%
Prince Edward Island 2,665 0.6% -
Nova Scotia 12,650 2.8% +0.6%
New Brunswick 10,205 2.3% +1%
Quebec 68,685 15.7% +3.4%
Ontario 184,725 42.2% -6.7%
Manitoba 21,645 4.9% +0.8%
Saskatchewan 21,635 4.9% +2.2%
Alberta 49,460 11.3% +1.4%
British Columbia 61,215 14% -3.1%
Yukon 455 0.1% -
Northwest Territories 235 0.0% -0.1%
Nunavut 45 0.0% -
Province not stated 20 0.0% -0.1%
Canada total 437,120 100% -

https://www.cicnews.com/2023/02/ircc...html#gs.6sfr4h

[Crawford]

Great Neck is very Persian Jewish. And Orthodox. More like a Bev Hills then Glendale, but more religious. It's so Orthodox that the town now largely shutters on the Sabbath.

I don't believe it's also Armenian, though could be wrong? Never associate the tri-state area with Armenians, though they must exist somewhere. Some area in Jersey or wherever has to have an Armenian enclave. I've seen various Armenian churches in the tri-state.

I've also never seen an Armenian restaurant, though there seemed to be a decent population growing up in suburban Detroit.

[LosAngelesSportsFan]

There are some communities of Armenians in NJ, smaller ones in NY and DC and the biggest east coast communities are in the Boston suburbs . I have cousins, friends and relatives in all.

On the west coast, you obviously have a massive population in Glendale, Burbank, Pasadena, north Hollywood and Los Angeles in general, orange county, SD, fresno and the SF suburbs

[chris08876]

Lots of Columbians in the Lehigh Valley (PA). Columbians and folks from Ecuador.

Just something I've noticed.

[mrnyc]

there are 200k armenians around the nyc metro —

also there are 3k+ in cleveland.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

also there are 3k+ in cleveland.

Doesn't surprise me.

I got curious about Armenians in the Midwest so I went Google mapping, searching for "Armenian Church" as a proxy for Armenian communities. Cleveland has the only one I could find in Ohio


The results (by metro area):

Chicago: 7
Milwaukee: 4 (2 down in the Racine area!)
Detroit: 3
St. Louis: 2 (both in the metro east)
Cleveland: 1
Kanas City: 1
Minneapolis: 1

That was all I could find.

[RST500]

The migrant wave since the pandemic has been unprecedented, but I have not really noticed the impact in Southern California. I feel that California's demographics are changing less than in other parts of the nation. California underwent its demographic transformation from 1980 to 2010s.

-Mexican immigration to California has dramatically slowed down
-California has less appeal to non-Mexican/Northern Triangle Latinos
-the Bay Area's dramatic Asian and Indian growth of the 2010s will likely slow due to tech layoffs
-though a lot of Chinese and Indian Sikh migrants are coming to California but are poorer than the 2010s Asian wave
-California does seem to be attracting Afghan and Ukrainian refugees, especially Sacramento

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by RST500

The migrant wave since the pandemic has been unprecedented, but I have not really noticed the impact in Southern California. I feel that California's demographics are changing less than in other parts of the nation. California underwent its demographic transformation from 1980 to 2010s.

-Mexican immigration to California has dramatically slowed down
-California has less appeal to non-Mexican/Northern Triangle Latinos
-the Bay Area's dramatic Asian and Indian growth of the 2010s will likely slow due to tech layoffs
-though a lot of Chinese and Indian Sikh migrants are coming to California but are poorer than the 2010s Asian wave
-California does seem to be attracting Afghan and Ukrainian refugees, especially Sacramento

Russians are really buying up Van Nuys in the SFV Valley I heard.
It was long time working class hispanic area but there are signifigant changes there.
Wonder how its going to go going forward. Van Nuys is more affordable than many parts of LA Metro, so i get it.

It does feel like Sherman Oaks is inching north and that appears to be Van Nuys fate.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by LA21st

Russians are really buying up Van Nuys in the SFV Valley I heard.
It was long time working class hispanic area but there are signifigant changes there.
Wonder how its going to go going forward. Van Nuys is more affordable than many parts of LA Metro, so i get it.

It does feel like Sherman Oaks is inching north and that appears to be Van Nuys fate.

I lived in northwestern Van Nuys my first year in college (I had to take the freaking bus to UCLA!). We were in a two-story apartment in a big complex right on Sepulveda, just one of multiple blocks of three- and four-story complexes along the boulevard. But the side streets were all single-family homes with pools and white homeowners (we're talking circa 1998). Latinos were probably a plurality in Van Nuys then but the area wasn't as Latino as it became in subsequent years. And the Russians were always there--my roommate had an illicit affair going with a Russian AM/PM clerk up the road, which was comedy gold for the rest of us.

[ChrisLA]

Originally Posted by LA21st

Russians are really buying up Van Nuys in the SFV Valley I heard.
It was long time working class hispanic area but there are signifigant changes there.
Wonder how its going to go going forward. Van Nuys is more affordable than many parts of LA Metro, so i get it.

It does feel like Sherman Oaks is inching north and that appears to be Van Nuys fate.

I don’t have this information on paper, but I can tell you from what I see everyday you are correct. I’m right on the border of Van Nuys and most of the people I see daily are majority Russians and Ukrainians. I wouldn’t say it’s affordable, but yes less than Sherman Oaks.

Technically I’m in Valley Glen, but we’re really close and the house across the street from me is going for $1,175.00 and it’s about 1650 square feet. Most of the houses I’m seeing in Van Nuys is asking over a million, I’m actually surprised because I see houses in West Hills going for less and I’m pretty sure West Hills would be considered a better neighborhood. I’m thinking it’s the close proximity west LA, and Hollywood. Plus as you mentioned Sherman Oaks spill over. I think too, this area definitely feels less suburban and a lot more congested so in a sense it kinda feels more like a neighborhood over the hill in the LA basin.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by ChrisLA

I don’t have this information on paper, but I can tell you from what I see everyday you are correct. I’m right on the border of Van Nuys and most of the people I see daily are majority Russians and Ukrainians. I wouldn’t say it’s affordable, but yes less than Sherman Oaks.

Technically I’m in Valley Glen, but we’re really close and the house across the street from me is going for $1,175.00 and it’s about 1650 square feet. Most of the houses I’m seeing in Van Nuys is asking over a million, I’m actually surprised because I see houses in West Hills going for less and I’m pretty sure West Hills would be considered a better neighborhood. I’m thinking it’s the close proximity west LA, and Hollywood. Plus as you mentioned Sherman Oaks spill over. I think too, this area definitely feels less suburban and a lot more congested so in a sense it kinda feels more like a neighborhood over the hill in the LA basin.

Sorry, I meant less pricy than Sherman Oaks. Yea, Ive been in a few restaurants in Van Nuys and its starting to look pretty Russian/eastern Europeaan lol. Its pretty interesting/. The Sepulveda blvd section anyway. Ive seen young Russian blondes at Sherman Way and Sepulveda recently. Theyre taking over lol