New York Supertalls

[NewYorkDominates]

Originally Posted by FTP

As I recall the original Twin Towers had a lot of politics as well. Design was always secondary to the decision-makers. But I guess every tower has a lot of this.

I hope they make it as tall as possible because something tells me it'll be the last NY super-tower we'll see in our lifetimes.

Chicago is much friendlier to tower construction nowadays. Miami is the best.

To reiterate, NYC is a very poor place to build super towers. Because the taxes and cost of living are too high, most companies don't see the benefit of over-paying employees. The property values, ancient infrastructure, urban politics is a deterrent to more and more companies choosing the outskirts for the location of corporate headquarters. This WTC is a public relations disaster in this perspective.

I remember when Trump was building a tower and like a million people protested it because "it blocks the view of other towers". Ridiculous! See: Seattle "manhattanization" and the result on Seattle construction rates...

Yea,when you have well-known buildings under construction,chances are plenty of publicity always accompanies plenty of praise and critiscm but as we know,we only pick up on the latter.

[Roadcruiser1]

Truth is the original World Trade Center was met with critics. Just like how you criticize the base, or the mast, or the mechanical floors the Twins were just as criticized during their completion.

I am going to quote from Huxtable just to prove a point. Please don't delete this moderators as it's only to prove something.

"The Towers are pure technology, the lobbies are pure schmaltz, and the impact on New York is pure speculation. The windows are so narrow that one of the greatest benefits of a tall building the panorama view out is destroyed. These are great buildings, but they are not great architecture"-Anna Luise Huxtable (NY Times, 1971).

Isn't it the same thing you guys are saying now?

[FTP]

To add to my point, look at the huge amount of projects that are eternally stuck in the "approved" stage, if not have construction on hold (yikes!).


The rule of thumb in NYC, if the building isn't there, it isn't there. I remember hearing that when I was a little kid. The WTC takes this saying to the floor count! NYC is like the king of scrapped-tower proposals!





One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction
432 Park Avenue, 1420ft (432,8m), Site Preparation (height not final; min: 1380ft / max: 1700ft) -
Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction
Hudson Yards North Tower, 1292ft (393,8m), Approved
225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Proposed (likely to exceed 1300ft)
15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction
Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire]
The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved
Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Approved
Hudson Yards South Tower, 1017ft (310m), Site Preparation
One57, 1003ft (305,7m), Under Construction
Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
Four World Trade Center, 977ft (297,8m), Under Construction
One Madison Avenue, 937ft (285,6m), Proposed
Two Manhattan West, 935ft (285m), Approved
30 Park Place, 912ft (278m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
Port Authority Bus Terminal Tower, 856ft (261m), Approved
56 Leonard Street, 821ft (250,2m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
Hudson Yards Residential Tower, 800ft+ (243,8m+), Proposed
250 East 57th Street, 715ft (218m), Under Construction
50 West Street, 714ft (218m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
610 Lexington Avenue, 712ft (217m), Under Construction (currently on hold)
Nobu Hotel and Residences, 709ft (216m), Approved
5 World Trade Center, 700ft+ (213m+), Approved
107 West 57th Street, 697ft (212m), Proposed


The turnover rate in Miami or Chicago is like 4 times faster...

[hunser]

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Seeing as the new design is still very similiar to the old one, should the old WPC diagram be re-used for this tower, at least in the short term?

Also, 15 supertalls in NYC at various stages of construction, approval and proposal

20 supertalls so far completed / under construction / in preparation / approved / proposed:

1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction
2. 432 Park Avenue, 1420ft (432,8m), Under Construction (height not final; min: 1380ft / max: 1700ft)
3. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction
4. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1292ft (393,8m), Approved
5. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1,454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire]
6. 225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Proposed (likely to exceed 1300ft)
7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
9. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (365,8m), Completed
10. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction
11. Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire]
12. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved
13. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Approved
14. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
15. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
16. Hudson Yards South Tower, 1017ft (310m), Site Preparation
17. One57, 1003ft (305,7m), Under Construction
18. Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
19. One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
20. Sherwood Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed

[hunser]

Update / New additions:
- One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
- Sherwood Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
- 514 11th Avenue, 656ft+ (200m+), Proposed

[Eidolon]

Originally Posted by hunser

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20 supertalls so far completed / under construction / in preparation / approved / proposed:

1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction
2. 432 Park Avenue, 1420ft (432,8m), Site Preparation (height not final; min: 1380ft / max: 1700ft)
3. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction
4. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1292ft (393,8m), Approved
5. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1,454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire]
6. 225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Proposed (likely to exceed 1300ft)
7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
9. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (365,8m), Completed
10. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction
11. Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire]
12. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved
13. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Approved
14. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
15. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
16. Hudson Yards South Tower, 1017ft (310m), Site Preparation
17. One57, 1003ft (305,7m), Under Construction
18. Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
19. One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
20. Sherwood Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed

Isn't 432 Park U/C?

[NewYorkDominates]

Originally Posted by hunser

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20 supertalls so far completed / under construction / in preparation / approved / proposed:

1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction
2. 432 Park Avenue, 1420ft (432,8m), Site Preparation (height not final; min: 1380ft / max: 1700ft)
3. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction
4. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1292ft (393,8m), Approved
5. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1,454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire]
6. 225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Proposed (likely to exceed 1300ft)
7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
9. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (365,8m), Completed
10. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction
11. Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire]
12. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved
13. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Approved
14. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
15. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
16. Hudson Yards South Tower, 1017ft (310m), Site Preparation
17. One57, 1003ft (305,7m), Under Construction
18. Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
19. One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
20. Sherwood Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed

I'm saying out of all the buildings under construction or proposed,I have to say at least 3 will never be built.Just me,but I could be wrong since this is New York we're talking about.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by NewYorkDominates

I'm saying out of all the buildings under construction or proposed,I have to say at least 3 will never be built.Just me,but I could be wrong since this is New York we're talking about.

yea but there are probably some we don't know about yet that will be built.

[hunser]

Yeah, there are so many supertalls proposed that even if a couple gets canceled it wouldn't be that bad...

Originally Posted by Eidolon

Isn't 432 Park U/C?

Forgot about that, thanks.

[Eidolon]

Originally Posted by hunser

Yeah, there are so many supertalls proposed that even if a couple gets canceled it wouldn't be that bad...

I doubt any of the current ones we have will get permanently cancelled, some (15 Penn & Sherwood tower most likely) will certainly go dormant (like the WPC), but will return as something else sooner or later.

Also, which supertall will be the next one to start construction?

I think that it will most likely be the Coach Tower, the Girasole or One Hudson Yards. Tower Verre might also start very soon, seeing how succesful One57 was.

[yankeesfan1000]

^^

Well the Coach Tower is starting in October, so I doubt something starts before that.

Assuming that construction of platforms needed for Hudson Yards North, HY Mixed Use, and Manhattan West don't count, regardless of their tenant situation, I'd say One Hudson Yards.

The Girasole can't start until the 7 train extension is done, and Hudson Yards North and Brookfield's Manhattan West need massive platforms built before the towers can start, so One Hudson Yards has the earliest delivery date to potential tenants. My two cents.

[Eidolon]

I hope that this design is used for the Sherwood Equities building, I really like the boxyness and how it will contrast with the more crystaline shape of the towers built over the rail yards.

[NYguy]

http://archpaper.com/news/articles.asp?id=6079

Sky's The Limit
New York playing catch-up on super tall residential skyscrapers.




Matt Shaw
6/01/12

Residential towers streaking up over 1,000 feet represent the latest phenomenon in New York’s storied skyscraper history. Of the world’s 49 completed buildings over 1,000 feet, only 12 are residential, mostly in Dubai or Asia. Two, the Hancock Center and Trump International, are in Chicago. Not to be outdone, New York has broken ground on two of four planned supertall residential towers. Russia’s ultra-wealthy investing class are providing some of the fuel for take-off, as it is estimated that as much as five percent of their foreign investment is directed into American real estate, much of it super-luxe apartments. In fact, when a trust fund in the name of Dmitry Rybolovlev’s daughter Ekaterina purchased the penthouse at 15 Central Park West, it drove the price of the penthouse at Extell Development’s 90-story One57 up from $98.5 million to a cool $110 million.

[hunser]

^^ The residential race is on! (btw for those who don't know, nr.4 is The Girasole, see article...)

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Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000

^^

Well the Coach Tower is starting in October, so I doubt something starts before that.

Assuming that construction of platforms needed for Hudson Yards North, HY Mixed Use, and Manhattan West don't count, regardless of their tenant situation, I'd say One Hudson Yards.

The Girasole can't start until the 7 train extension is done, and Hudson Yards North and Brookfield's Manhattan West need massive platforms built before the towers can start, so One Hudson Yards has the earliest delivery date to potential tenants. My two cents.

Most likely in that order, yes. I would also count 3WTC in.

--> Soon two supertalls and one nearly- supertall will top out: One57, 1WTC and 4WTC. After that, the new action begins!

[The_Architect]

Goddamn I want one...

[scalziand]

Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000

^^

Well the Coach Tower is starting in October, so I doubt something starts before that.

I think 225w57 is supposed to start this summer.

[hunser]

^^ And I thought they still have to demolish a building before actual construction can start.

--- Small update ---
New tower proposed adjacent to the Grand Central Terminal:
Madison Ave & 42nd Street, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed

Expected to rise over 1400'.

--- New renderings for 432 PA ---
: http://observer.com/2012/06/432-park/

[hunser]

1,000 footers:

1. One World Trade Center, 1787ft (544,7m), Under Construction
2. 432 Park Avenue, 1420ft (432,8m), Under Construction (height not final; min: 1380ft / max: 1700ft)
3. Two World Trade Center, 1349ft (411,2m), Under Construction
4. Hudson Yards North Tower, 1292ft (393,8m), Approved
5. Empire State Building, 1250ft (381m), Completed [1,454ft (443,2m) when counting the spire]
6. 225 West 57th Street, 1250ft (381m), Site Preparation (likely to exceed 1300ft)
7. 15 Penn PLaza, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
8. One Manhattan West, 1216ft (370,6m), Approved
9. Bank of America Tower, 1200ft (365,8m), Completed
10. Three World Trade Center, 1155ft (352m), Under Construction
11. Conde Nast Building, 1118ft (340,7m), Completed [when counting the spire]
12. The Girasole, 1060ft (323,1m), Approved (likely to exceed 1400ft)
13. Tower Verre, 1050ft (320m), Approved
14. Chrysler Building, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
15. New York Times Tower, 1046ft (318,8m), Completed
16. Hudson Yards South Tower, 1017ft (310m), Site Preparation
17. One57, 1005ft (306,3m), Under Construction
18. Hudson Yards Mixed-used Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
19. One Hudson Yards, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Site Preparation
20. Sherwood Tower, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed
21. Madison Ave & 42nd Street, 1000ft+ (304,8m+), Proposed (likely to exceed 1400ft)

[Zapatan]

And those are just the supertalls...

Damn NYC, just damn, you kick ass

I really hope other cities in the US start picking up some of the boom

[Tyler Xyroadia]

BAH!

All of them big ugly glass boxes, not a One of them with any classical charm!
I SCOFF at them!