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Well that's disappointing. What a strange reason to disqualify downtown as the potential site of the region's premier medical facility. The $300 million estimate for the Pilon site is way over-estimated.

No expenses spared, however, in Quebec City for an NHL arena with no team or a $10+ B tunnel that will save literal minutes off the commute of a few hundred people.

The Multivesco site at the far north end of Hull would be a terrible choice. No transit. Huge detour for anyone trying to get there.

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Futur hôpital à Gatineau: le centre-ville disqualifié par la contamination

MATHIEU BÉLANGER
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L’absence d’un budget dédié à de la décontamination dans le cadre de la construction du futur hôpital de 600 lits de Gatineau forcerait le bureau de projet mis en place par le gouvernement du Québec à disqualifier les terrains analysés au centre-ville, a appris Le Droit.

C’est l’information qui aurait été transmise par le directeur du bureau de projet du futur hôpital, Michel Parent, lundi, lors d’une rencontre de plus de deux heures avec des membres de la Coalition pour un centre hospitalier accessible et durable en Outaouais (CCHADO). La coalition exigeait publiquement depuis une semaine que le ministre responsable de l’Outaouais, Mathieu Lacombe, organise cette rencontre afin d’éclaircir les zones d’ombres sur les critères de sélection.

Le porte-parole de la CCHADO et directeur général de l’organisme MOBI-O, Patrick Robert-Meunier, affirme que les paramètres budgétaires du projet imposés par le Conseil du trésor disqualifient du processus tous les sites du centre-ville de Gatineau.

«Les paramètres budgétaires qui nous ont été présentés sont basés sur ceux du futur hôpital de Vaudreuil-Soulanges, explique M. Robert-Meunier. On parle d’un centre hospitalier construit dans un champ, donc un projet dont les conditions de terrain n’ont rien à voir avec un projet construit dans un centre-ville. Il n’y a aucun budget de prévu pour la décontamination dans le projet du futur hôpital de Gatineau, donc, de facto, ça vient éliminer tous les terrains situés au centre-ville ou à proximité d’un lien structurant dans le secteur Hull. Ils nécessitent tous de la décontamination. Ces terrains ont été analysés comme des choix potentiels, donc ils sont intéressants, mais les paramètres budgétaires déterminés par le Conseil du trésor viennent les disqualifier.»

Selon nos informations, décontaminer la zone industrielle derrière le magasin Pilon Ltée, qui est ciblée par de nombreux intervenants régionaux comme étant le meilleur endroit pour construire le nouvel hôpital, ferait gonfler la facture d’environ 300 millions$. Le projet est actuellement évalué à plus de 1,5 milliard$. Il y aurait, selon une source bien au fait du dossier, plus de un million de mètres carrés de terre contaminée à sortir du site avant de pouvoir construire.

M. Robert-Meunier ne confirme pas l’exactitude de ces chiffres, mais il rappelle que le gouvernement du Québec a pris des orientations assez claires en matière de décontamination et d’aménagement du territoire. «Il y a une volonté politique de redévelopper des sites centraux, dans les coeurs urbains et les villages, en les décontaminant», dit-il. Le Centre hospitalier universitaire de Montréal (CHUM) a pu profiter de différents programmes pour financer la décontamination du site, ajoute le porte-parole de la CCHADO.

Un autre élément viendrait jouer contre le centre-ville dans le choix d’un site pour l’hôpital. Depuis la tragédie de Mégantic, Québec hésite vivement à construire des infrastructures publiques d’envergure près de rails où se transportent de la marchandise et des produits dangereux.


La zone industrielle du centre-ville est traversée par un de ces rails. Il ne servirait que très peu, sinon plus du tout, et le tronçon en question appartient à la Société de transport de l’Outaouais (STO), précise M. Robert-Meunier.

«Ce n’est rien qui ne peut pas s’arranger, dit-il. La STO peut décréter que ces rails ne servent plus qu’au transport de personnes.»

Ces deux éléments inhérents au centre-ville joueraient en faveur du terrain de Multivesco, sur le boulevard de la Technologie. Ce terrain n’est pas contaminé confirme l’entreprise.
https://www.ledroit.com/2021/12/08/f...f8e1483292059d
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French interview with Mathieu Bélanger from LeDroit. Not much more info than the article, but it seems northern Hull, more specifically Centre Asticou and Boulevard des Technologies are the front runners.

Decontamination is a big factor, but apparently not lack of transit, overall lack of accessibility or soil conditions.

https://www.fm1047.ca/audio/445450/o...ne-sera-pas-ou
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Timeline to reveal site pushed to 2022. Funny how the original promise was a new hospital within 5 years, and 4 years later, they haven't even chosen a site.

I heard that they plan on closing the Wakefield Hospital, basically the only fully functional hospital in the Outaouais, once this one opens. Brilliant .
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Timeline to reveal site pushed to 2022. Funny how the original promise was a new hospital within 5 years, and 4 years later, they haven't even chosen a site.

I heard that they plan on closing the Wakefield Hospital, basically the only fully functional hospital in the Outaouais, once this one opens. Brilliant .
Wait, what? The Wakefield Hospital is very modern and they just did a large expansion that opened around a year ago, I really can't see that happening. It's a really excellent hospital and cherished by everyone in the surrounding communities.
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Wait, what? The Wakefield Hospital is very modern and they just did a large expansion that opened around a year ago, I really can't see that happening. It's a really excellent hospital and cherished by everyone in the surrounding communities.
Heard it from my dad who watches and reads a lot of news, but haven't seen any sources myself yet.

Considering Quebec has a horrible track record in health care, it checks out. They don't fix things, they break things. Even more so based on the fact that Wakefield is a largely anglophone community. Why should those darn Anglos get better health care services, I'm sure they are thinking down in Quebec City.
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Timeline to reveal site pushed to 2022. Funny how the original promise was a new hospital within 5 years, and 4 years later, they haven't even chosen a site.

I heard that they plan on closing the Wakefield Hospital, basically the only fully functional hospital in the Outaouais, once this one opens. Brilliant .
Heard on 104.7 the other day that Mathieu Lacombe (MPP resp. for the Outaouais) was blaming these groups that rose up at last minute complaing about the site choices. He said it's been a completely transparent process and issues should have been raised earlier... that the delays are the fault of the groups opposing the site locations... lol theres been rumors of sites but nothing official and then last minute they strike-out the downtown and move the site up north on the 105. "Very" transparent process....
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Heard on 104.7 the other day that Mathieu Lacombe (MPP resp. for the Outaouais) was blaming these groups that rose up at last minute complaing about the site choices. He said it's been a completely transparent process and issues should have been raised earlier... that the delays are the fault of the groups opposing the site locations... lol theres been rumors of sites but nothing official and then last minute they strike-out the downtown and move the site up north on the 105. "Very" transparent process....
Lacombe is really insulting our intelligence. Le Droit had to pull teeth for every little bits and pieces of info we have. We never even had an official list of sites. Four years and we have basically nothing to show for it thus far. Criteria should have been laid out from the get go, a list of potential sites should have been available for public comment. The site selection should have been done 2 years ago.

People complain about the Civic's site selection. It wasn't a model of transparency either, but it was far better than this mess.
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Lacombe is really insulting our intelligence. Le Droit had to pull teeth for every little bits and pieces of info we have. We never even had an official list of sites. Four years and we have basically nothing to show for it thus far. Criteria should have been laid out from the get go, a list of potential sites should have been available for public comment. The site selection should have been done 2 years ago.

People complain about the Civic's site selection. It wasn't a model of transparency either, but it was far better than this mess.
Yep, but it's par for the course with Lacombe. My wife works in childcare and with the union negociations in the last few years it's been the same kind of attitude and way of working/dealing with him (he's also Minister of Families).
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Lacombe is really insulting our intelligence. Le Droit had to pull teeth for every little bits and pieces of info we have. We never even had an official list of sites. Four years and we have basically nothing to show for it thus far. Criteria should have been laid out from the get go, a list of potential sites should have been available for public comment. The site selection should have been done 2 years ago.

People complain about the Civic's site selection. It wasn't a model of transparency either, but it was far better than this mess.
and the guy doesn't even reside in the region
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Futur hôpital de Gatineau : le CCHADO réitère sa position en faveur du centre-ville

https://www.ledroit.com/2022/01/16/f...50857a29d57366

Sites proposed by the Coalition pour un centre hospitalier accessible et durable en Outaouais (CCHADO):
  • Centre Robert Guertin;
  • Industrial zone near ruisseau de la Brasserie;
  • La Fonderie (where an innovation zone is proposed);
  • Near the Réno-Dépôt.

All four sites have good access to transit. The CAQ is looking at sites further out, with basically no mass transit access.
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Gatineau veut le futur hôpital au centre-ville

MATHIEU BÉLANGER, Le Droit
18 janvier 2022


La Ville de Gatineau change de ton dans le dossier du choix du site devant accueillir le futur hôpital de 600 lits promis par le gouvernement du Québec. Après des semaines de «diplomatie» et de «travail de coulisses» de la part de la mairesse France Bélisle pour s’assurer que Gatineau soit considérée comme un «véritable partenaire», le conseil municipal a jugé, à la majorité, mardi, que le temps était venu d’être plus clair dans ses revendications.

Un peu plus de 24 heures après la prise de position publique de l’ancien ministre fédéral Lawrence Cannon en faveur d’une construction au centre-ville, le conseil municipal a adopté une motion demandant lui aussi au gouvernement du Québec de «prioriser» un site au centre-ville, mais aussi de justifier ce qui permettrait au gouvernement de disqualifier un site dans ce secteur. Pour ajouter à la force du symbole, la résolution déposée par le co-porte-parole d’Action Gatineau, Steve Moran, a été rédigée en étroite collaboration avec la mairesse Bélisle. Les deux élus n’ont pas manqué de le souligner.

En adoptant cette motion, le conseil rappelle au gouvernement du Québec que sa planification urbanistique en vigueur identifie le centre-ville comme secteur le plus apte à recevoir une infrastructure de l’envergure du futur centre hospitalier. La mairesse a ajouté que le secteur offre un débouché important sur une autoroute et une accessibilité accrue pour les usagers et les travailleurs. Le futur hôpital serait aussi un outil important pouvant favoriser la revitalisation du centre-ville de Gatineau, a-t-elle précisé.

«Québec ne peut pas ignorer l’avis du conseil et de la mairesse, a insisté le conseiller Moran. Il y a un consensus qui est en train de se former à travers la ville pour demander au gouvernement d’écouter et de considérer des sites qui ont peut-être été mis de côté malgré qu’ils présentent les meilleurs avantages.»

Mme Bélisle a rappelé que le choix du terrain du futur centre hospitalier n’appartient pas à la Ville de Gatineau, mais elle a ajouté que «personne ne souhaite être spectateur pour une décision aussi importante» sur le territoire de Gatineau. «On veut que Québec considère Gatineau comme un véritable partenaire à la recherche de solution pour cette infrastructure qui va venir changer le visage d’un bout de notre ville, a indiqué la mairesse. J’ai hâte de voir comment le gouvernement va répondre à cette demande. On demande à Québec d’accueillir la main tendue par Gatineau.»

Gatineau prête à lever des «obstacles»

La mairesse ajoute que Gatineau souhaite avoir une discussion avec le gouvernement concernant d’éventuels «obstacles» qui pourraient empêcher Québec de construire le futur hôpital au centre-ville. «On aimerait bien pouvoir participer à la solution pour lever ces obstacles», a insisté Mme Bélisle. On entend parler de possibilité de décontamination dans le centre-ville. Si tel est le cas, peut-on discuter pour voir si c’est un obstacle qu’on est capable de régler ensemble?»

En après-midi, lors du caucus préparatoire, le conseiller Mike Duggan fait dévier le débat sur une équité en matière d’accessibilité pour les résidents de l’ouest et de l’est. La conseillère Olive Kamanyana a pour sa part affirmé ne pas avoir suffisamment d’information pour trancher de la pertinence d’une construction dans un secteur de la ville ou un autre. En soirée, les deux élus ont signifié leur opposition à la motion, empêchant ainsi le conseil de parler d’une voix unanime dans ce dossier.

https://www.ledroit.com/2022/01/19/g...1ef4673925b124
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  • Centre Robert Guertin;
  • Industrial zone near ruisseau de la Brasserie;
  • La Fonderie (where an innovation zone is proposed);
  • Near the Réno-Dépôt.

All four sites have good access to transit. The CAQ is looking at sites further out, with basically no mass transit access.
Out of these four, I would probably pick the La Fondarie site. End of the autoroute, on the rapid transit line.. and I am from Aylmer.

As much as I would love a hospital plunked next to the Boucher Forest, there isn't the infrastructure to handle it. Yet.
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The Coalition pour un centre hospitalier accessible et durable en Outaouais (CCHADO) had a publication in Le Droit two weekends ago arguing the merits of a centrally located hospital:

http://www.ledroit.org/production/ca...ADO/index.html

They give the example of the CHUM and Complex Hospitalier de Quebec (about 2.5 km north of the old City, to be served by the tramway) and possible layouts for a few central Hull sites.

Great to see debate on the site of the new hospital BEFORE the site is chosen and most of the design work for the hospital, layout and associated parking is already complete.
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The Robert Guertin site makes the most sense to me which probably means it wont be the one chosen by Quebec lol

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The Coalition pour un centre hospitalier accessible et durable en Outaouais (CCHADO) had a publication in Le Droit two weekends ago arguing the merits of a centrally located hospital:

http://www.ledroit.org/production/ca...ADO/index.html

They give the example of the CHUM and Complex Hospitalier de Quebec (about 2.5 km north of the old City, to be served by the tramway) and possible layouts for a few central Hull sites.

Great to see debate on the site of the new hospital BEFORE the site is chosen and most of the design work for the hospital, layout and associated parking is already complete.
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It's hard to tell if La Fonderie plan would entail tearing down that amazing building. In one of the pics it looks like it would stay, but in another it looks like it would go.

Robert Guertin would be my preferred site at this moment.
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I agree with both SL123 and Harley, Guertin would be the best choice.

La Fonderie is kind of a mess with the whole shutting down the sports component for an innovation district that might now be dead. Throwing a hospital in there would further complicate things. And for sure, demolishing the Fonderie would be a huge mistake.

Zirb would be between the innovation zone and UQO, so it would be an interesting option.

Reno-Depot feels very disconnected from the rest of the city.
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At the Guertin site it would be very easy to add a Rapibus platform, a pedestrian bridge over the canal, and upgrade the tunnels and walkway for accessibility for quick transit to Gatineau proper to the North and the Tram to the South

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No matter if they were to choose Guertin or the industrial lands across the Ruisseau, converting part of the highway to a urban boulevard and your pedestrian bridge should be strongly considered.
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Just heard on FM104.7, Legault was in Maniwaki today and said that he "didn't think having a hospital on contaminated land was a good idea" and also said that they will announce the site in the next few weeks and start construction ASAP.

.... that comment about decontamination gets me thinking they're sticking with les Hautes Plaines site... :/
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