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Old Posted Jun 15, 2023, 7:22 PM
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Yea it’s sad to hear that story because accessible parking is important, but comparing this to the centre village or to call this a human rights violation is a MASSIVE reach and disingenuous. It’s not like this building is close to getting shut down, or people shooting up meth in an alleyway throughout the complex.
BOTH developments did not properly reflect the intended use so BOTH developments failed. No over reach or disingenuousness there. That you fail to see that is a big part of the issue.

The intended design of a building needs to see the issues and work towards those even if they require going beyond minimum code. What steps were taking in the design to mitigate against snow and ice in the parking area which would be known to happen?

Yes, the building could take more care to remove snow and ice but with the weather Manitoba has that itself is not an acceptable solution for someone with mobility issues.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2023, 9:00 PM
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^ they could just shovel it, no?

This is an operational issue, not a design issue.

You seem to want to point fingers at architects for whatever reason.....I know you love to obsess about CentreVillage, but your comment that architects are chasing awards instead of designing projects with indoor parking is ridiculous....just to clarify for you....Indoor parking stalls cost $60-80,000 each to build....the inclusion of indoor parking is not the decision of the architect....it is a program element identified by the owner/developer....it is rarely included in affordable housing because the cost makes it prohibitive.

I think your desire to have a gotcha moment with architects has maybe clouded your perspective on this issue....the problem here is one of maintenance.....it is not realistic to believe that a building isn't accessible if it does not provide indoor parking to to people with mobility challenges....do you also expect there to be indoor parking at the grocery store?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 15, 2023, 9:09 PM
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Centre Village was a flat out, flawed design... it was a nice building that, as it turns out, was not at all suited to that particular location. Maybe on Adsum Drive it might have worked. But not on Balmoral St.

At Place la Charette it sounds like 100% a maintenance issue. From what I read, there is nothing wrong with the building and parking lot... it just needs a faster snow/ice removal response.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2023, 3:39 PM
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^ they could just shovel it, no?

This is an operational issue, not a design issue.
No, it is 100% a design issue. Clearly you have never needed assistance with walking. In winter snow blows, ice forms, we get snow storms and they shovel and 15 minutes later it needs to be done again. The building it question was intended to be a barrier free residential building yet one massive barrier was completely ignored in the design phase so the whole project is a failure for its intended purpose.

I never once said the solution needed to be indoor parking and it doesn't need to be but a lot more thought needed to be put into how to reduce, limit or completely avoid ice and snow build up in the parking lot at Place la Charette. That design clearly didn't consider that is why it is a design failure as no reasonable level of maintenance is going to be able to keep an outdoor parking lot in Manitoba free of ice and snow 100% of the time.

I am not a designer locating the parking lot so the building acts as a wind barrier in the primary wind directions would be a start. They could put a roof only structure over the parking to further limit direct snow accumulation and enclosing in with a solid fence would further limit snow from blowing in. Yes that would all add costs but no where near the $60,000-80,000 a spot being claimed. And it would take the design from failing to meet its purpose to being significantly close or even achieving its purpose.

Place la Charette core purpose of design was to provide accessible housing. The project, as built, makes it so residents needing accessible housing cannot leave or enter the building. That is a straight up failure of design. It is no different than how Centre Village apparently had kitchens far away from the area young children would be in even though it was geared to newcomer observant Muslim families. That failure of design would apply anywhere the building was placed and had nothing to do with how poorly in interacted with the neighborhood it was built in.

Further, an image of an attempt to make a building accessible was shared with me. The nearly built entrance required an access card tapped on the far left of the double door to activate a timed unlock. If you then needed assistance opening the door the button for that was on the far right and at a height that would be difficult for a wheelchair user to reach even if they made it there before the unlock timed out. Designing for true accessibility is more than just putting lipstick on a pig, thinking through the actual functional use of the space from the point of view of the users with the accessibility needs is essential. That is exactly where the Place la Charette design failed as it did not think through how to make the entrance to the building accessible. You can design a perfectly accessible interior but if you don't address the barriers to get into the building as well the whole building becomes an accessibility failure.

In terms of the CBC story it is failure clear the woman will not get one of the extremely limited indoor parking spaces at Place la Charette so what alternatives would be reasonable to accommodate her? Sad truth is it likely means she will need to move away from the building meant to meet her needs to find a place that actually can accommodate her needs.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2023, 6:27 PM
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I mean. No building will ever win an award if we start building giant roofs over all the surface parking lots.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2023, 9:16 PM
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I mean. No building will ever win an award if we start building giant roofs over all the surface parking lots.
Featureless expanses of icy tarmac are peak design. We could never hope to do better.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2023, 11:02 PM
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2023, 6:34 AM
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Featureless expanses of icy tarmac are peak design. We could never hope to do better.
Have you ever seen a photo of a building at sunset, with a perfectly mirrored reflection on an icy tarmac. That shit is what makes the covers of architecture magazines. Can’t do that with a roof over it.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 5:22 AM
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main and landsdown next to the bus depot

     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 12:08 PM
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main and landsdown next to the bus depot

Wow! When's the last time a new multi family was built on that stretch? Especially one of this scale.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 1:40 PM
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That's an impressive project for a part of town that hasn't seen many of them in recent decades.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 2:12 PM
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I always liked the old building's mural of cleaning equipment that reminds me of a prog rock album cover. It's always a shame when we lose the oddball shit like that. New building is welcome though

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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 2:27 PM
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I was never clear on this... was that building on Main a car wash, or just a company that sold car wash and cleaning equipment?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 2:28 PM
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I was never clear on this... was that building on Main a car wash, or just a company that sold car wash and cleaning equipment?
The latter.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 3:02 PM
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Have you ever seen a photo of a building at sunset, with a perfectly mirrored reflection on an icy tarmac. That shit is what makes the covers of architecture magazines. Can’t do that with a roof over it.
Does an accessible building need to have icy sunset tarmac photos in an architecture magazine or does it need to fit the needs for which the building was made for - accessible to those with disabilities?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 3:32 PM
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oh wow! i been driving that stretch of Main lots lately and staring at all the old, dusty, tired storefronts wondering when anything would ever nudge the strip along.. this might do it! and it is quite insane how quickly the old Sals across the street from this site has been turned into a new restaurant.
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 5:14 PM
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Is that new building right next to the Main St transit garage?

If I remember right, the city is planning to replace the north transit garage. If this project is successful, it would be a nice positive sign about what could be done with the transit garage land in the future.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 6:03 PM
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oh wow! i been driving that stretch of Main lots lately and staring at all the old, dusty, tired storefronts wondering when anything would ever nudge the strip along.. this might do it! and it is quite insane how quickly the old Sals across the street from this site has been turned into a new restaurant.
I don't believe anything major multi tenant has been built for residential since the 1950's.
With the transit garage to close eventually, This area could in fact, become gentrified like Pembina near Jubilee. There are many nothing special buildings from Inkster to near Leila. Also, the area is set with infrastructure in place, already well served by grocers like IGA, No Frills, Giant Tiger nearby plus with a car or bus ride, Sobeys up Main, Safeway on McGregor, Freshco, Savon on McPhillips.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 6:26 PM
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Real estate for teardown and redev is probably pretty comparatively cheap to most south areas too, I imagine
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2023, 6:30 PM
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West Kildonan is a lot like south River Heights... quiet neighbourhood, nice, tidy older homes but not so old as to be ancient, not too far from downtown, mature area with lots of amenities. I always thought it had more appeal than the level of interest in the area warranted.
     
     
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