Winnipeg Jets

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by Sheepish

How many draft picks will the likes of Nyquist, Pearson, Shen, Koepke and Comrie get you? Even Perfetti is worth pratically nothing these days. The question is, is this the fault of the players or is there a breakdown on the coaching side. And to be clear, the top line is NOT the problem (although Connor's play in the Defensive zone has be pretty sketchy lately). All I know is there has to be a serious shakeup. This can't continue.

I'm fully on board with waiving those guys and playing the prospects.

Talk to the core and let them know this season is a dud. Get Yager and Salomonsson specifically NHL time for the rest of the year.

Tank for McKenna!

[jim_bred]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I'm fully on board with waiving those guys and playing the prospects.

Talk to the core and let them know this season is a dud. Get Yager and Salomonsson specifically NHL time for the rest of the year.

Tank for McKenna!

Salo is ready for more NHL time, Yager is not ready yet. Watched him play on NYE and early December.

[bomberjet]

Even better for tanking! The point is to get NHL experience. They're not winning the cup so just shut it down at this point.

[The Jabroni]

I say let the kids play.

Save ourselves the trouble with playoff woes and get the younger guys ice time with the big team.

Unless something clicks by having the Jets pull a 2019 St. Louis Blues Stanley Cup winning run, we're at our wits end here.

[Malcsta]

I kinda disagree here.

The Moose season is going pretty well compared to last year. If you take someone like Salo or Yager and bring them up to the big club (which is on an 8 game losing streak) is that good for their development?

I'd be OK with bringing Lambert up because he has speed and isn't producing well in the AHL anyways.

Chevy needs to read the room. Look at our division. COL, DAL, MIN all playing insanely well. We are not. Even if we did take a run at the playoffs it will be an easy first round exit again.

Apparently we were interested in Chinakov out of Columbus, and we're one of the teams interested in Mangiapane out of Edmonton. Last thing we need right now is another middling 6 winger that will have no competent 2C to play with (and will most likely take draft picks to acquire)

Sell off a lot of the roster and collect as many picks for 2026 as possible.

[bomberjet]

If you sell off the roster, whos going to play? Mangiapane is not the answer to anything..

Whats going to happen is the Jets will finally string some wins together. And end up with a mid first round pick. And that won't solve anything. And then Chevy will sign some more aging vets in the off-season. Rinse and repeat. Jets are on a slow burn of aging and bad signings. If its not McKenna, getting a high first round puck is at least something.

Losing Ehlers is just one guy, but made that second line somewhat effective. Replacing him with toews and random winger was terrible.

Chevy cant seem to move the needle on effective acquisitions now, so its looking fairly bleak from my point of view.

[bomberjet]

Ill add though, that besides the first line the rest of the team is massively underperforming.

[BlackDog204]

Ages of Jets players:

Toews: 37
Nyquist: 36
Schenn: 36
Pearson: 33
Niederreiter: 33
Namestnikov: 33
Scheifele: 32
Lowry: 32
Demelo: 32
Hellebuyck: 32
Iafallo: 32
Morrissey: 30
Pionk: 30


The Jets are far too old now. I still remember 10 years ago, when it seemed like we had one of the youngest teams in the league, and the future was so bright. We have to rebuild. The window of opportunity has closen.

[Mr Tall Forehead]

I’m hopeful this year is just a blip. The core is still performing and the top four guys on the list above will all be gone next year. Replace them with internal prospects or younger signings and we’ll be ready to give it a run again next season.

They have to gets guys like Lambert and Salomonsson more experience this year though. Give a couple of the old boys PB duty or waive them if necessary.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Mr Tall Forehead

They have to gets guys like Lambert and Salomonsson more experience this year though. Give a couple of the old boys PB duty or waive them if necessary.

Lambert has been underwhelming, and at 21, has not been a break out player in the AHL, nevermind him being ready for a roster spot on the Jets. The sad reality is none of our prospects are that great

[Mr Tall Forehead]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Lambert has been underwhelming, and at 21, has not been a break out player in the AHL, nevermind him being ready for a roster spot on the Jets. The sad reality is none of our prospects are that great

Yeah, I’m still not sure about Lambert being a goal scorer but at least he’d bring some speed to the bottom six. If not him call up Ford or Anderson-Dolan or someone else who can skate.

Salomonsson would be at worst the Jets fifth best defender if he was on the roster today, behind only Morrissey, Pionk, Samberg, Stanley and maybe Demelo.

Longer term I’m still confident Yager will be a top six guy.

[bomberjet]

Old and slow. All those guys are on 1 year deals. Just cut bait now and give the young guys some experience. Hope for a sweet draft pick.

As a fan, the only hope is for Chevy will make something happen with traded at this point. Any free agent worth something doesnt come here.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Mr Tall Forehead

Yeah, I’m still not sure about Lambert being a goal scorer but at least he’d bring some speed to the bottom six. If not him call up Ford or Anderson-Dolan or someone else who can skate.

Salomonsson would be at worst the Jets fifth best defender if he was on the roster today, behind only Morrissey, Pionk, Samberg, Stanley and maybe Demelo.

Longer term I’m still confident Yager will be a top six guy.

With the exception of Vilardi, all of our top players are 29 or over. We will need to replace them pretty soon. We have already lost Ehlers for nothing. If we are going to miss the playoffs. we will have to look at trading away some key pieces, in order to rebuild.

Lambert, Yager, Salomonsson, etc. are better than nothing, but chances are they will not make a big impact for the team. They are a far cry from 2016, when we had Laine, Scheifele, Trouba, Ehlers, Morrissey, Hellebuyck, Lowry, Connor, and Roslovic, who were all under the ageof 24.

[Biff]

I have always kind of been a Chevy apologist. I feel like he has generally done a pretty good job at building this team. He has by far the hardest job of all the GM's in the league. I feel he did a great job on the Trouba/Laine/Dubois trades.

This year in my opinion he ruined the team. The four signings of Toews, Nyquist, Koepke and Pearson have been a disaster. They are terrible and it is beyond me how management has done nothing through 40 games to even attempt to correct it.

In my opinion he should be shown the door and they should hire a new GM to try and freshen things up.

...they wont though. Chevy's mid-term with the media comes up this week and it will be very interesting what he has to say.

[bomberjet]

There was some text from a recent interview by Sportsnet with Chipman. For playoff content or something. Basically Chevy is going nowhere. He's a lifer. Quote "You dont let guys like that go."

I have the same sentiment as Biff. And feel that its not getting easier to attract anyone here.

[The Jabroni]

If anything, this would be somewhat similar to our "off year" when Paul Maurice left, and David Lowry took over as interim coach 4 years ago. The difference of course is that back then, there seemed to be more effort. We were also 4 years younger.

We've been struggling since November 1, and at this point, something's gotta give.

[WinCitySparky]

Time to fire the GM

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Lambert has been underwhelming, and at 21, has not been a break out player in the AHL, nevermind him being ready for a roster spot on the Jets. The sad reality is none of our prospects are that great

The Jets have convinced their fans that young players must first become ‘breakout players’ in the AHL before deserving time in the NHL. No other team has this requirement.

Spending years dominating the AHL before moving to the NHL is not the typical path. Scheifele or Villardi didn’t play in the AHL. Morrissey had one underwhelming season. Connor played one year and had the same numbers Lambert did in his first year. Yet for some reason he has had to stay there for two more years. That being said, Lambert has about 100 points in 140 games in the AHL. That’s more than enough to warrant promotion. He has the 48th lowest number of NHL games played in his draft year.

Yager and Barlow are the only two players from the top 20 in their draft year that have not played in the NHL.

It’s no wonder prospects always want out. I would too. There’s no path for them. McGroarty complained and now he’s in the NHL. He would still be a Moose if he didn’t.

[TRSTN]

The reality is Chipman helped build this team. He's not firing anybody for the roster construction. Chipman was working on convincing Toews to play here since he left Chicago. Best we can hope for is that Chevy gets promoted to president of hockey ops, and a new GM is brought in. But thats an off season move, not one you make in January.

I get tired of the arguments that the young guys aren't impressing in the AHL so they shouldn't be promoted. Chibrikov really impressed in the NHL last season. Back on the Moose. Salomonson continues to impress in the AHL and looked promising in his short NHL stint. Back on the Moose. In contrast can you really say any of Pearson, Koepke, Toews, Nyquist, Schenn, Miller, Fleury, or Comrie are performing so well they deserve a spot in the NHL? If we're going to play guys that are underperforming I'd rather it be ones that might just need some time to get their legs going in the NHL before we get a real upside out of them.

[bomberjet]

Let's see what kind of word salad Chevy will put together this morning at his mid-season presser. Most likely it will be trust the process.