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Old Posted Sep 12, 2019, 5:50 PM
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I understand what the CRA is doing, but that's a preposterous rule.

Buyer on the hook for the capital gains of a house he had literally 0% ownership of previously? I mean that's about the most absurd thing I have heard lately.

Its forcing these litigation's and offloading the burden onto Canadian citizens.

Absurd.
It puts the duty of making sure the sale is on the up and up on the buyer. There are pros and cons to it. I hate our capital gains system in general as it taxes the inflationary increase in pricing so your losing money even if the price only keeps up with inflation. A transfer tax is much more reasonable as then you make your cut off each transfer and as transfers increase you also boost economic activity. The American system where you can sell and then buy an equivalent asset and not pay capital gains is also reasonable as your just selling a property worth xxx and using that cash to buy another worth xxx. I don't like taxes that reduce economic activity and push people to hold onto things as that just hinders the economy. The governments cut of anything should always be low so that people are encouraged to do it.
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Why?

The owner made money on Caandian soil and he's not Canadian. Tax is tax, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Though from the sound sof it, he tried to pull a fast one on Holmes.
I think the point is not that it is absurd that the seller should pay the tax, what is absurd is that the *buyer* could be on the hook for the tax, even though they had nothing to do with it really.

I had to back out of a deal for just this reason (luckily with no deposit paid), as the seller claimed to be a resident but wouldn't put it in writing. But how many buyers are aware of this rule - we had to figure out the risk we could have been taking on our own, real estate agents had no clue. But when it comes to collecting tax (from the little people at least) the law doesn't mess around.
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I think the point is not that it is absurd that the seller should pay the tax, what is absurd is that the *buyer* could be on the hook for the tax, even though they had nothing to do with it really.

I had to back out of a deal for just this reason (luckily with no deposit paid), as the seller claimed to be a resident but wouldn't put it in writing. But how many buyers are aware of this rule - we had to figure out the risk we could have been taking on our own, real estate agents had no clue. But when it comes to collecting tax (from the little people at least) the law doesn't mess around.
If anything, the government should just put a claim on title for unpaid taxes, and then at closing a portion of the sale proceeds would go to the government. I have no idea why they'd go after the purchaser, unless the process isn't being reported on properly.
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Why?

The owner made money on Caandian soil and he's not Canadian. Tax is tax, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Though from the sound sof it, he tried to pull a fast one on Holmes.
Its preposterous that the tax burden would then be shifted to a purchasing Canadian. How can the purchaser be burdened with the cap gains of a seller? Its the most absurd thing I have heard in a long time.

Literally, the only reason this is the case is because our incompetent government knows it got absolutely played by foreign nationals and has no mechanism to recover this money from abroad.

As usual, we get left with the tab, and were used as a cheap throwaway hookup.
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Its preposterous that the tax burden would then be shifted to a purchasing Canadian. How can the purchaser be burdened with the cap gains of a seller? Its the most absurd thing I have heard in a long time.

Literally, the only reason this is the case is because our incompetent government knows it got absolutely played by foreign nationals and has no mechanism to recover this money from abroad.

As usual, we get left with the tab, and were used as a cheap throwaway hookup.
You make it sound like it is a new rule. Is it?
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You make it sound like it is a new rule. Is it?
It is part of section 116 of the income tax act. As best I can tell, it has been around for a while, at least back to 2005 if not earlier.

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B.C. speculation and vacancy tax helps ease housing crunch: finance minister

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SEPTEMBER 12, 2019


VANCOUVER — Finance Minister Carole James is giving some credit to the speculation and vacancy tax for lowering home prices and easing rental vacancies in British Columbia.

James said Thursday she is cautiously optimistic about easing prices in the real estate market after announcing the province collected $115 million from the tax in the 2018-19 fiscal year.

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https://www.timescolonist.com/business/b...using-crunch-finance-minister-1.23944070
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Trudeau promises to tax foreign speculation in housing market nationwide if reelected

Liberals will introduce a 1 per cent tax on non-resident non-Canadians to help prevent foreign speculation from driving up housing prices

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September 12, 2019


OTTAWA — Canada’s ruling Liberals will introduce a 1 per cent tax on non-resident non-Canadians to help prevent foreign speculation from driving up housing prices, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Thursday on the second day of an election campaign.

Speaking at an announcement in Victoria, British Columbia, Trudeau said the national speculation and vacancy tax would apply nationwide and would not affect Canadians living abroad.

Politicians are crisscrossing the country after Trudeau formally kicked off a campaign on Wednesday, and a major issue is expected to be the mounting cost of living. Canadians head to the polls on Oct. 21.

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https://business.financialpost.com/real-...n-housing-market-nationwide-if-reelected
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Trudeau promises to tax foreign speculation in housing market nationwide if reelected

Liberals will introduce a 1 per cent tax on non-resident non-Canadians to help prevent foreign speculation from driving up housing prices

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September 12, 2019


OTTAWA — Canada’s ruling Liberals will introduce a 1 per cent tax on non-resident non-Canadians to help prevent foreign speculation from driving up housing prices, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Thursday on the second day of an election campaign.

Speaking at an announcement in Victoria, British Columbia, Trudeau said the national speculation and vacancy tax would apply nationwide and would not affect Canadians living abroad.

Politicians are crisscrossing the country after Trudeau formally kicked off a campaign on Wednesday, and a major issue is expected to be the mounting cost of living. Canadians head to the polls on Oct. 21.

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https://business.financialpost.com/real-...n-housing-market-nationwide-if-reelected
He literally can’t do this as it goes against a number of our trade treaties including USMCA. He’s either ignorant of the law or bullshitting voters.

An example of this is New Zealand which didn’t apply its ban to Aus and Singapore
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He literally can’t do this as it goes against a number of our trade treaties including USMCA. He’s either ignorant of the law or bullshitting voters. [/URL]
I'd bet on him over you.
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I'd bet on him over you.
Without doing any of your own research of course.
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Absolutely!
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The market's bouncing back? Don't tell that to these burned condo flippers, featured in today's Globe & Mail:

1225 Barclay St., No. 802, Vancouver
Listing price: $1.388-million
Selling price: $1.160-million
Previous selling price: $1,230,000 (2018)
Days on market: 39
Taxes: $2,704.54
Maintenance fee: $573.78 a month

The sellers had purchased the condo as a flip, but after completing major renovations, the market softened, and they made less than expected, listing agent Ian Watt says. They had listed with a previous realtor for $1.548-million before dropping the price. They paid $1.23-million for the unit, plus renovation costs. “It’s the reality of the market,” says Mr. Watt, who saw about 40 people come through the showings. He received two offers. The buyers, in their 30s, had been renting. They took possession of the unit this week...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-est...get-caught-in-vancouver-market-downturn/

Anyone so tone-deaf to the market that they purchased to flip in 2018 shouldn't be in the real estate speculation business!
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The market's bouncing back? Don't tell that to these burned condo flippers, featured in today's Globe & Mail:

1225 Barclay St., No. 802, Vancouver
Listing price: $1.388-million
Selling price: $1.160-million
Previous selling price: $1,230,000 (2018)
Days on market: 39
Taxes: $2,704.54
Maintenance fee: $573.78 a month

The sellers had purchased the condo as a flip, but after completing major renovations, the market softened, and they made less than expected, listing agent Ian Watt says. They had listed with a previous realtor for $1.548-million before dropping the price. They paid $1.23-million for the unit, plus renovation costs. “It’s the reality of the market,” says Mr. Watt, who saw about 40 people come through the showings. He received two offers. The buyers, in their 30s, had been renting. They took possession of the unit this week...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-est...get-caught-in-vancouver-market-downturn/

Anyone so tone-deaf to the market that they purchased to flip in 2018 shouldn't be in the real estate speculation business!

Glass half empty - flippers got burned, prices are down.The bearish dream continues.

Glass half full - buyers were happy to spend $1.2 million on a 2 bedroom condo built in the 1990's, albeit freshly renovated.

Just saying - I appreciate the want for doom and gloom, but come on.
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A unit sold in my building after being on the market for 2 weeks, at around $1100/sf, about $50k below asking. There's still demand out there. It will have a long way to go to become "affordable".

I see this as good news though. A fast crash is disastrous.
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Would you like fries, er, a Tesla with that?

‘Buy a townhouse, get a Tesla’ is latest Metro Vancouver real estate incentive

The Century Group is giving away free Teslas with the purchase of a home.

The company announced Thursday it will give a Model 3 Tesla base model, which has a gross list price of $55,000, with each purchase of the remaining 10 homes at their newest development, Viridian in South Surrey. The promotion will be valid from Sept. 14 until Oct. 31.

“We are pleased to roll out this new campaign moving into the fall real estate market”, said president Sean Hodgins in a news release.

“Viridian Homes is now in its final release with over 80 percent sold and each home offers an innovative design with energy-efficient capabilities and our partnership with Tesla is a true expression of that. We provide each homeowner with exceptional quality and for us that goes above and beyond the four walls of your home.”

Each of the remaining ten homes comes equipped with a charging station for the vehicle.

The Viridian Presentation Centre is located at 3618 150 St. in South Surrey, and homes start at $1.058M....

https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/2019/...ate-incentive-south-surrey-vancouver-bc/

How did we get to a world where townhouses in Surrey are over $1 million?
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How did we get to a world where townhouses in Surrey are over $1 million?
South Surrey and without an ocean view. I suppose some of them might have a view of the Nicomekl River but is that worth a million dollars?
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Found this in my news feeds. Very good read on how stupid these taxes are.

A commentary by John Dudycha, a retired person with a home in Minneapolis, Minnesota, who formerly had a part-time home in Victoria’s James Bay neighbourhood.

My wife and I purchased a Victoria vacation condo 14 years ago upon retirement. Because we only use it two to three months each year it is suddenly subject to the new speculation and vacancy tax and we must now leave. We have enjoyed our time here immensely.


The Empress, Royal B.C. Museum, Butchart Gardens, harbour activity, water taxis, Langham Court Theatre productions, many restaurants, wonderful neighbours and the observations of Jack Knox in the Times Colonist are among the many attractions that we will miss.

We are being forced to leave because B.C. Finance Minister Carole James has decreed that we are foreign “speculators” who don’t deserve to be here. It feels like she has withdrawn the Canadian welcome invitation extended to us 14 years ago.

She has justified this pivot by making various statements such as, “it is fair for people to pay a little bit more for the services they benefit from.”

As a U.S. citizen, the real-estate tax on our condo will rise from $3,000 a year to $15,000 a year due to the speculation tax. A little bit more?! (A British Columbian’s net tax for using our condo just as we do would only increase by $1,000.)

James has also said “we wanted to get rid of speculators” and some people are treating B.C. housing like the stock market. Really? Would that she had actually targeted “speculators.” Many commentators have pointed out the fallacy of her claim. Unfortunately, the punitive and discriminatory tax scheme that she authored seems designed to flush out long-term owners and users like us, rather than actual short-term “speculators.” Interestingly, a B.C. speculator can avoid this tax entirely by focusing on the most affordable properties, i.e. those worth $400,000 or less. I guess speculation isn’t bad after all if a British Columbian does it and only ties up the most affordable housing in town.

The finance minister says that she wants to “turn empty houses into good housing for people” and owners should rent out their homes. We used our fully furnished condo several times each year, so it was certainly not “empty” or “vacant.” We cannot offer long-term rentals because our visits are often scheduled at the last minute and can occur at any time throughout the year. Additionally, with all of our personal items on site, James is effectively ordering us to take in a renter as a roommate.

And what would James say to British Columbians who own vacation condos in, say, Phoenix or Honolulu if those jurisdictions retaliate and single out B.C. owners for their own discriminatory speculation tax? After all, many cities have a housing and homeless problem these days. Politicians do have a habit of conscripting outsiders who can’t vote to pay for local problems. Anyone who has rented a car at an airport has experienced this first hand when they review the multiple tax add-ons listed in the final bill.

James also said, “there are individuals who couldn’t even dream of having one home never mind an additional home they leave vacant.” I guess no one deserves a vacation home now, unless they turn it into a rental business. And there’s that word “vacant” again. We purchased our condo to use, and use it we did. We did not leave it abandoned and empty like a stock certificate in a safe deposit box.

Yes, I understand that many people will have little sympathy for owners of a vacation home like ourselves. We feel very fortunate to have had a Victoria condo for 14 years. But no more. We sold it to a Victoria gentleman who is downsizing. He will not have to pay an additional $12,000 a year in taxes, even if he uses it part time like we did.

His previous large home won’t add to the available affordable home inventory in Victoria either, so in our case James’s stated objective is not met. She has accomplished her actual objective of erecting an “outsiders not welcome” sign, as evidenced by our departure.

Goodbye Victoria, it seems we hardly knew ye.
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Found this in my news feeds. Very good read on how stupid these taxes are.
Wow, that's your take on the article? This has come off as extremely tone deaf in the general public. Nobody gives a rat's ass about some American whining about their vacation property up here. Good riddance.

Now a working Canadian family has another chance at a place to live in Victoria.
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