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Originally Posted by prelude91
^^^Great post Marothisu!
I think we can all agree Manhattan comparisons are apples and oranges; however, your examples are not highlighting "flagship" (for lack of a better word) neighborhoods in NYC. Astoria functions pretty similarly to the NW side of Chicago (though many times denser).
New City, Mariano's on Broadway, and Addison Park are all in top tier Chicago neighborhoods, and will all stick out like a sore thumb. I hate any comparison between Chicago and NYC, because let's be honest, Chicago isn't New York; but you'd be hard pressed to find these types of developments in top tier neighborhoods in NYC outside Manhattan (Park Slope, Brooklyn Heights, Forest Hills, etc.).
I understand these shitty developments are a reality, but where I have an issue is the locations of them (top tier Chicago Neighborhoods) and how ugly they are, seriously, why are they all so ugly?
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I don't know how I left this out, but I think that the Shops at Columbus Circle (Time Warner Center) are kind of a good example of something like it in Manhattan in a way:
http://www.theshopsatcolumbuscircle.com
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7686...8i6656!6m1!1e1
Armani Exchange, Hugo Boss, Bose, Microsoft, Michael Kors, H&M, Sephora, JCrew, Whole Foods, Williams Sonoma, Swarovski, Coach, etc are all there. Time Warner obviously has offices there, but there's also a hotel and condos. I know that one of the towers has around 200 condos. It's pretty much that center, and whenever I'm around there, it definitely feels like a flagship type of development you'd see in Chicago.
Also, we obviously have differing of opinions of what top tier neighborhoods Chicago consists of because I do not consider North and Clybourn top tier. Minus the Apple store, there's nothing really good about it from a neighborhood perspective that would make me put it into the same tier as most anything downtown, Wicker Park, Lakeview, prime Lincoln Park (like even up the road on Halsted), Hyde Park, Lincoln Square, Roscoe Village, etc. I do not consider Alinea part of the same neighborhood, or anything around there. The food in that area is not that good minus a few places nor is the nightlife minus one or two places. In terms of the neighborhoods in town, people are not clamouring to move there more than any of the other neighborhoods I just listed and others.