Wpg: Chief Peguis Trail Extension - Page 49

alittle1 · #**961** Posted **Jun 12, 2012, 7:37 PM**

Dang, that's a big picture.

We would build a separate foot-bridge, like we did at Provencher and put a Salisbury House on it. Where all we needed was a foot-bridge.

original · #**962** Posted **Jun 12, 2012, 8:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

You know what frustrates me the most is how other jurisdictions can do things properly. For instance, look up the details for Circle Drive in Saskatoon.

http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/...thProject.aspx

In brief they are making 8km of 4 to 6 lane FREEWAY with 4 grade separated interchanges, a 6 lane river crossing, 3 railway grade separations and sound walls in 5 years from design to completion for just over $300 million.

To compare Chief Peguis is approximately 3.5 km with 1 grade separation, 2 signalized intersections and some sound walls for $110 million.

Why is it that we cannot do things properly here? I know Sask has more money than us but try and compare apples to apples here. Their FREEWAY is just slightly over twice as long as ours but it has a 6 lane river crossing, 3 rail underpasses and 3 more grade separated intersections than ours.

So to triple ours (remember this is very rough) we would spend $330 million get 9 km of 4 lane road with 3 total grade crossings. They some how get 7 grade separations and a river crossing. We are doing something wrong here.

Since this was PPP, I'm guessing DBF2 is going to make a killer amount of cash over 30 years maintaining CPT.

You can see that they used every possible way to cut costs. That sound wall is a joke, it's what 9 ft tall and made of recycled milk juggs?

Also, they didn't even use concrete for the extension. The shitty asphalt they laid down is already starting to get tire grooves at the controlled intersections. The Disraeli "Freeway" (I don't know why it's even classified a Fwy) seems to be using the same shitty asphalt... Great stuff.

Bdog · #**963** Posted **Jun 12, 2012, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

You know what frustrates me the most is how other jurisdictions can do things properly. For instance, look up the details for Circle Drive in Saskatoon.

http://www.saskatoon.ca/DEPARTMENTS/...thProject.aspx

In brief they are making 8km of 4 to 6 lane FREEWAY with 4 grade separated interchanges, a 6 lane river crossing, 3 railway grade separations and sound walls in 5 years from design to completion for just over $300 million.

To compare Chief Peguis is approximately 3.5 km with 1 grade separation, 2 signalized intersections and some sound walls for $110 million.

Why is it that we cannot do things properly here? I know Sask has more money than us but try and compare apples to apples here. Their FREEWAY is just slightly over twice as long as ours but it has a 6 lane river crossing, 3 rail underpasses and 3 more grade separated intersections than ours.

So to triple ours (remember this is very rough) we would spend $330 million get 9 km of 4 lane road with 3 total grade crossings. They some how get 7 grade separations and a river crossing. We are doing something wrong here.

Would be very interesting to track this project over time. It seems amazing that you could get all that for a mere $300 M. Unless I'm misreading it, that's 1 bridge over the Saskatchewan River, 5 interchanges, and 3 railroad bridges? Plus 10 Km of road? If it can be done, we'll definitely have to take notes - I'm not sure how it's possible to build all that for that cheap...

rrskylar · #**964** Posted **Jun 13, 2012, 4:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by original

Since this was PPP, I'm guessing DBF2 is going to make a killer amount of cash over 30 years maintaining CPT.

You can see that they used every possible way to cut costs. That sound wall is a joke, it's what 9 ft tall and made of recycled milk juggs?

Also, they didn't even use concrete for the extension. The shitty asphalt they laid down is already starting to get tire grooves at the controlled intersections. The Disraeli "Freeway" (I don't know why it's even classified a Fwy) seems to be using the same shitty asphalt... Great stuff.

But it was super asphalt they used on CP Trail extension!

But yeah grooves have already appeared on the half-assed surface. You must love the stink weed growing in the medians though.

On Saskatoon getting 5 times the amount of work (including a 6 lane bridge) for only 3 times the price of the CP Trail extension, guess the politicians there could learn a thing or two from Sam and his gang on how to line their own pockets.

alittle1 · #**965** Posted **Jun 13, 2012, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

But it was super asphalt they used on CP Trail extension!

But yeah grooves have already appeared on the half-assed surface. You must love the stink weed growing in the medians though.

On Saskatoon getting 5 times the amount of work (including a 6 lane bridge) for only 3 times the price of the CP Trail extension, guess the politicians there could learn a thing or two from Sam and his gang on how to line their own pockets.

You know that the city is too dumb to write there own spec for asphalt, they rely on the paving companies to do it for them.

cllew · #**966** Posted **Jun 14, 2012, 2:22 PM**

Not sure if this is because Molson does not connect to CPT and traffic has to go east to get get to it, but the city has put out a tender for a full size traffic circle at Molson ST. and Grassie Blvd.

rrskylar · #**967** Posted **Jun 14, 2012, 2:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by cllew

Not sure if this is because Molson does not connect to CPT and traffic has to go east to get get to it, but the city has put out a tender for a full size traffic circle at Molson ST. and Grassie Blvd.

Both the Molson-Grassie, Grassie -Lag. intersections have been unable to handle the volume of traffic they service for the past 20 years. Molson should have been upgraded to 4 lanes (Grassie to Concordia) years ago. The city now does yearly repairs to Molson just to keep it drivable.

Biff · #**968** Posted **Jun 14, 2012, 3:40 PM**

They were supposed to tender that traffic circle last year. They were having issue with one of the property owners of the four corners not wanting to sell the city a sliver of his/her land.

The Jabroni · #**969** Posted **Jun 14, 2012, 4:59 PM**

^Seeing the 2012 capital projects budgets and map, they have that intersection tendered, and yet nothing so far, as per the issues you mentioned.

The stretch of Molson down to Concordia really needs to be upgraded. I nearly bottomed out because of the ruts on that road.

alittle1 · #**970** Posted **Jun 15, 2012, 3:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

They were supposed to tender that traffic circle last year. They were having issue with one of the property owners of the four corners not wanting to sell the city a sliver of his/her land.

Condo project going in on the N/E corner, land was jut sold.

Jabroni,

If you would sell that Corvette and buy a 4 X 4 like the rest of the people in Wpg, you would have no problem. Shedding 50 pounds would help also.....

The Jabroni · #**971** Posted **Jun 16, 2012, 3:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by alittle1

Condo project going in on the N/E corner, land was jut sold.

Jabroni,

If you would sell that Corvette and buy a 4 X 4 like the rest of the people in Wpg, you would have no problem. Shedding 50 pounds would help also.....

Nice. I now have an impractical car and weigh 50 pounds heavier.

rrskylar · #**972** Posted **Jun 26, 2012, 6:36 PM**

Not the CP Trail but: (Yeah, we need our own SSP: Local Winnipeg and file this under Transportation & Infrastructure)

Plessis Road widening, bridge eyed for funding: Toews

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...160397175.html

Biff · #**973** Posted **Jun 26, 2012, 7:15 PM**

The Plessis Rd underpass is farther along than most people realize. The RFP for Functional Design closed in May.

Biff · #**974** Posted **Jun 26, 2012, 7:23 PM**

I know i'm in back to back posts, but these are different thoughts.....

I live by the Chief Peguis Trail and Gateway area and walk the soon to be paved walking trails almost daily, which are great by the way. So many different paths to take, different routs to walk. This has to be one of the most expensively landscaped projects i have seen in this city. Having recently built an new house and paid for a few 10ft + trees i know how expensive they are. My point is the sheer amount of trees they are planting is immense. They are planting hundreds of 10ft to 20ft trees everywhere. It will be very nice when all is finished. Also, to compliment the Northeast Pioneers Greenway trail system i just read that the Provincial Govt has put a pedestrian overpass spanning the N Perimeter Hwy in their 3 year budget.

rrskylar · #**975** Posted **Jun 26, 2012, 7:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

I know i'm in back to back posts, but these are different thoughts.....

I live by the Chief Peguis Trail and Gateway area and walk the soon to be paved walking trails almost daily, which are great by the way. So many different paths to take, different routs to walk. This has to be one of the most expensively landscaped projects i have seen in this city. Having recently built an new house and paid for a few 10ft + trees i know how expensive they are. My point is the sheer amount of trees they are planting is immense. They are planting hundreds of 10ft to 20ft trees everywhere. It will be very nice when all is finished. Also, to compliment the Northeast Pioneers Greenway trail system i just read that the Provincial Govt has put a pedestrian overpass spanning the N Perimeter Hwy in their 3 year budget.

I too am pleasantly surprised by the amount of trees that have been planted alongthe CP Trail, even the hills alongside the ped. overpass are now treed in poplars. Glad to hear those gravel pathways will be paved, pretty tough to ride them on my bike.

h0twired · #**976** Posted **Jun 26, 2012, 7:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

I too am pleasantly surprised by the amount of trees that have been planted alongthe CP Trail, even the hills alongside the ped. overpass are now treed in poplars. Glad to hear those gravel pathways will be paved, pretty tough to ride them on my bike.

Hopefully they put a couple posts in the middle of the entrances of the walking paths.

I watched a minivan driving down the path one day. Some really old guy with a long beard was behind the wheel only to get stopped by a cyclist headed in the opposite direction. Must have thought it was a service road.

cllew · #**977** Posted **Jun 26, 2012, 11:28 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biff

I know i'm in back to back posts, but these are different thoughts.....

I live by the Chief Peguis Trail and Gateway area and walk the soon to be paved walking trails almost daily, which are great by the way. So many different paths to take, different routs to walk. This has to be one of the most expensively landscaped projects i have seen in this city. Having recently built an new house and paid for a few 10ft + trees i know how expensive they are. My point is the sheer amount of trees they are planting is immense. They are planting hundreds of 10ft to 20ft trees everywhere. It will be very nice when all is finished. Also, to compliment the Northeast Pioneers Greenway trail system i just read that the Provincial Govt has put a pedestrian overpass spanning the N Perimeter Hwy in their 3 year budget.

At one point there was a plan to use the old CP rail bed that makes up the Pioneers Greenway go through East St Paul to Lockport and then a side link to a trail connecting to Birds Hill Park near the Dunning Road Floodway crossing. Not sure if it was just a conceptual plan by one of the biking groups or there was real money behind it.

original · #**978** Posted **Jul 21, 2012, 3:49 PM**

The added turning lane on Lag to Grassie has been done for 3 weeks but still remains closed off. All the crews have vanished form the site weeks ago, yet its still closed. What's up with this? At least the speed camera isn't there anymore.

The Jabroni · #**979** Posted **Jul 21, 2012, 3:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by original

The added turning lane on Lag to Grassie has been done for 3 weeks but still remains closed off. All the crews have vanished form the site weeks ago, yet its still closed. What's up with this? At least the speed camera isn't there anymore.

I'm assuming that speed camera was removed because of the construction that was going to happen. I won't be surprised if the city puts the camera back.

As for opening that lane, your question is as good as mine.

Also, I seriously hope they make those lights a bit longer on Grassie and Lagimodiere, in terms of the amount of time it stays green on Lag. I know it may be a "band-aid" solution to a long term fundamental problem, but you got to improve the traffic situation in some way.

cllew · #**980** Posted **Jul 21, 2012, 7:21 PM**

I wonder if they are waiting for the concrete to set before letting traffic on it, or does it have to do with the improvements at Gateway also driven by Chief Peguis. There may be signal changes that have to be coordinated even though the intersections are some distance apart.

Regarding the red light camera, this is not the only location to be removed after construction. I noticed that the camera on Disraeli Fwy at Lily is also gone.

I don't think it is going back in as there is no provision for the foundation bases for the camera or strobe lights in the sidewalk pour. I know the concrete could be broken later for it but usually in new construction the bases are poured the same time as the signals are done.

These locations are both involved with PPP infrastructure projects (Disraeli more so) so I wonder if that has any influence in their removal.