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Old Posted Oct 31, 2025, 6:08 PM
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Part of it is that Saskatoon and Regina are the two primate cities in SK and each serve massive rural hinterlands as the urban service centres.
This stands out a lot when comparing to Ontario where a large-ish city might only be the largest in a small area. Provinces direct a lot of spending in Canada, and Saskatchewan will tend to pick Regina or Saskatoon for amenities, while London is far down the list in Ontario, and most major regional amenities (ROM, AGO, sports venues, etc. etc.) go to Toronto.

It is part of why comparing populations of cities (or suburbs) in isolation only gets you so far and it's silly when you see people commenting that Brampton or Surrey are some of the top cities in Canada we should see on tourist guides, or a "Tier 3" Chinese city happens to be defined as including 4 million people in some sort of statistical area so it's more important than Brussels or Frankfurt.
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It's crazy to think what Saskatoon is spending downtown on an arena and convention centre. That is some serious cash. Seems Saskatoon and Regina are much more ambitious than a lot of the Ontario cities that have greater populations. Maybe it is a combination of Ontario being so "Toronto-centric" and the smaller cities thinking they have to be less ambitious "because we are not Toronto". I compare London as the Grand Rapids type city. Grand Rapids is 2.5 hours from Detroit and London is similar distance to Toronto. Yet Grand Rapids is far more ambitious with building attractions, sports facilities, etc.
I wouldn't call it ambitious. I would call it crazy. Both cities have good bones but, there's alot they could do for less monetary incentives to be more attractive than going the sports and convention center route. One is so overvalued right now and the other is overbuilt.

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I wouldn't call it ambitious. I would call it crazy. Both cities have good bones but, there's alot they could do for less monetary incentives to be more attractive than going the sports and convention center route. One is so overvalued right now and the other is overbuilt.
There has to be some discussion of financing and it depends on contributions from levels of government or tenants.

I don't know all the details for the Saskatoon project but the $1B seems to be for the mixed-use development, not $1B for a sports building. Also worth noting that you increasingly see "sticker prices" which include long-term operating expenses (for say a 30 year period). Nothing wrong with that but it needs to be thought of differently and isn't comparable to capital spending numbers alone.
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I wouldn't call it ambitious. I would call it crazy. Both cities have good bones but, there's alot they could do for less monetary incentives to be more attractive than going the sports and convention center route. One is so overvalued right now and the other is overbuilt.

Que the stadium whores...
I think it's completely bonkers considering they already built an NHL capacity arena for their WHL team.

While I do think Saskatchewan could actually support an NHL if they called them the Saskatchewan Roughriders, I don't think the NHL will ever embrace the idea.
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To be fair, SaskTel Centre serves more of a purpose than just hosting our WHL team.

To my earlier point, Saskatoon's arena is the primary indoor facility for concerts, entertainment, and indoor events for Saskatchewan. The facility is well-used and profitable. It's also approaching 40 years old, which is not ancient by any stretch, but it is coming to the age where a decision needs to be made about its future. The concourses, bathrooms, and concession facilities are inadequate. The height of the ceiling is putting it at a disadvantage for touring acts and their rigging needs. The suburban location does not produce spinoff benefits for urban vibrancy, bar and restaurant patronization, etc. If a new arena is, say, 10 years from doors opening then our current facility will be approaching 50 years old.

Saskatoon could renovate SaskTel Centre, but that would double down on its awful location in an industrial area past the airport, and wouldn't leverage tax lift from downtown development to help pay for it. Securing partner funding for an un-sexy renovation is also tougher.

The city's convention facilities are also showing their age and inadequacy for current needs.

Thus, the arena/convention centre/downtown revitalization scheme. I'm not saying it's not a total moonshot, because it is. But there's been a lot more thinking that's gone into this around Saskatoon's, and Saskatchewan's, needs for these facilities than merely jumping on a sports and conventions bandwagon.

It's also not putting all our eggs in one basket. Saskatoon has recently made other strategic investments in quality of life with the art gallery, central library, bus rapid transit system. The Meewasin river valley is up for national urban park status. Saskatoon is thinking seriously about its future, and there's ambition here, even if our reach may be exceeding our grasp in places.
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Why would Halifax want to limit the scope of their marketing when they would be the only Maritime team? The Atlantic Schooner name has been around almost 50 years and there has been no large groundswell to be called just Halifax.

The BC Lions could be the Vancouver Lions but they aren't and that was a focus for Amar Doman to successfully renew and expand their marketing to the other parts of the province.

Whether it's called Halifax or Atlantic it's going to be the only Maritime based CFL team in our lifetime. As I have said previously people in southern NB have a history of going there early in life (usually for university)

As for a team in NB I didn't know people in SJ had such an affability for Moncton because from my years there they think the best thing about Saint John is leaving it
Why would the CFL want to limit the scope of their marketing to the Halifax and Nova Scotia market, when they could tap into the New Brunswick market with a team in Moncton?

The BC Lions will never be analogous to the Saskatchewan Roughriders, but a NB CFL team absolutely could be!

As for the Atlantic Schooners name being around for almost 50 years... it's been almost 50 years of speculation and nothing happening... hardly 50 years of effective branding, if anything, it's been the opposite of effective.

I think Atlantic Schooners is a poor name, and simply foolish of the various ownership groups to like actually believe that Atlantic Canadians outside of Nova Scotia will support a Halifax team team that's dressed up as an "Atlantic Canadian" team.

If they called it them Nova Scotia Schooners, I think they'd get a lot more support from the rest of Nova Scotia outside of Halifax than they would by calling them the Atlantic Schooners.

As for the bolded... You seem to think you're an authority on professional sports, but this is just a laughable assertion.

I don't think we'll see a lone Halifax CFL expansion team in either of our lifetimes, and I plan to live much longer than you. I think we will either see a two team maritime expansion modelled after the Saskatchewan vs Winnipeg rivalry, or we will see no CFL expansion into the maritimes at all. It's honestly hilarious that you think the Atlantic Schooners is still going to happen, when it's been nothing but speculation and inaction for almost 50 years now.

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The stadium situation is likewise not directly analogous. The Moncton stadium with its track is probably not a step along the path to getting the CFL, and Halifax has built other stuff (like the Canada Games Centre around the same time; both cities landed different sporting events and built different infrastructure to suit them).

I'm just talking about the idea that Halifax is behind or somehow incapable of building Moncton-level infrastructure which pops up every so often in these discussions. Moncton built a $17M stadium and Halifax said no to a $150M+ stadium. It's not really comparable.

I don't think the track should completely discount the possibility of Croix-Bleue Medavie Stadium being used for the CFL, and especially should not discount it being used for the CPL.

I think the CFL has way too high of expectations for stadiums, but if Moncton can get the capacity of their stadium to a permanent 25,000, I really don't see why it's such a stretch for Moncton to get a CFL team with some expansions and upgrades to their existing stadium.

Either way, I think it would be foolish for the CFL to expand to the Maritimes with a single team in Halifax, when the CFL is a league of regional rivalries. Halifax would have no natural rival without a team in Moncton, St. John's, Saint John, or Fredericton.
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2025, 10:18 PM
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To be fair, SaskTel Centre serves more of a purpose than just hosting our WHL team.

To my earlier point, Saskatoon's arena is the primary indoor facility for concerts, entertainment, and indoor events for Saskatchewan. The facility is well-used and profitable. It's also approaching 40 years old, which is not ancient by any stretch, but it is coming to the age where a decision needs to be made about its future. The concourses, bathrooms, and concession facilities are inadequate. The height of the ceiling is putting it at a disadvantage for touring acts and their rigging needs. The suburban location does not produce spinoff benefits for urban vibrancy, bar and restaurant patronization, etc. If a new arena is, say, 10 years from doors opening then our current facility will be approaching 50 years old.

Saskatoon could renovate SaskTel Centre, but that would double down on its awful location in an industrial area past the airport, and wouldn't leverage tax lift from downtown development to help pay for it. Securing partner funding for an un-sexy renovation is also tougher.

The city's convention facilities are also showing their age and inadequacy for current needs.

Thus, the arena/convention centre/downtown revitalization scheme. I'm not saying it's not a total moonshot, because it is. But there's been a lot more thinking that's gone into this around Saskatoon's, and Saskatchewan's, needs for these facilities than merely jumping on a sports and conventions bandwagon.

It's also not putting all our eggs in one basket. Saskatoon has recently made other strategic investments in quality of life with the art gallery, central library, bus rapid transit system. The Meewasin river valley is up for national urban park status. Saskatoon is thinking seriously about its future, and there's ambition here, even if our reach may be exceeding our grasp in places.

Oh that's for sure... I saw Arcade Fire, Feist, and Kanye West at the SaskTel Centre back in the day, and it's a great facility, but it still seems insane for them to build another NHL calibre arena when there's still no NHL team in sight for Saskatoon. Though, maybe the difference between a 10,000 capacity arena and 15,000 capacity arena isn't that much and it's not that crazy.

I do get the benefit of going with a downtown facility, especially if it's accompanied with ambitious mixed use developments. Bad location or not, I just don't like the idea of demolishing what I still see as a perfectly fine arena, but I guess I haven't been inside of the SaskTel Centre since like 2011 or something.

Nothing wrong with a moonshot, but still, for $1 billion, I think Saskatoon could get a lot more bang for their buck in terms of mixed use developments downtown... try to limit the renovations of the SaskTel Centre to under $100 million or something? Maybe renovating SaskTel Centre could help them lure an AHL team to Saskatoon, which could become the Oiler's new farm team.

I also think it's ridiculous that the province of Quebec built an NHL calibre arena in Quebec City for a team that might not ever come back, but refused to fund a new ballpark for an MLB team that never would have left in the first place had they funded the plans to build a new ballpark.

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...and going back to the CFL for a moment, and the prospect for CFL expansion into the Maritimes. I really do find the Saint John vs Moncton rivalry to be similar to the Regina vs Saskatoon rivalry, and think a New Brunswick branded CFL team in Moncton could be well supported across the province... probably not as rabidly supported as the Riders, but NB has Fredericton too, and many other smaller cities and towns, much like Sask has.

Saskatoon and Regina have a rivalry, but people from Saskatoon still come out to support the Riders, and not just in Regina, but all over Canada... they buy the merch, they follow the team closely, and they are rabid supporters, despite their city's rivalry with Regina.

If there was no Saskatchewan Roughriders, I very much doubt many people in Saskatchewan would travel all the way to Calgary, Winnipeg, or Edmonton to see a game if there was a team called the Prairie Thunder lol. I guess I just think a CFL expansion to the maritimes that only puts a team in Halifax called the Atlantic Schooners is a really bad idea, since if there was actually a CFL team in Winnipeg called the Prairie Thunder, almost no one from Saskatchewan would ever consider driving to Winnipeg to see a CFL football game, and very few Saskatchewanians would have any sort of affinity for the team or follow it simply because it was a CFL team for "the prairies".

So, I totally get Saskatoon wanting to build a new, state of the art hockey hockey arena, I just hope they don't tear down the SaskTel Centre once a new downtown arena does finally get built. Rename it the Gordie Howe Arena and try and keep it in use for a long as possible. In most cities it would be ridiculous to have two major hockey arenas, but not Saskatoon. Regina could follow suit too, though I'm not sure the Brand Centre is worth saving.

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Renovating in Saskatoon is not a long term solution. Lipstick on the pig is still a pig and in this instance the pig is in the wrong location.

Lots of negatives from people outside of Saskatoon and Saskatchewan are against this arena. Not sure why.
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I don't know what the arena portion of that billion is, but maybe they should look at a renovation of SaskTel for the big events and building a proper WHL size arena downtown as part of this project? Probably do that for a lot less than the cost of an NHL scale arena downtown, depending of course on how crazy they want to go on each project. Or do the NHL size arena downtown, I don't really care, not my money lol.
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I don't know what the arena portion of that billion is, but maybe they should look at a renovation of SaskTel for the big events and building a proper WHL size arena downtown as part of this project? Probably do that for a lot less than the cost of an NHL scale arena downtown, depending of course on how crazy they want to go on each project. Or do the NHL size arena downtown, I don't really care, not my money lol.

I think a big unstated part of why many in Saskatoon want a fancy, new downtown arena is to keep up with Regina and their world class football stadium for the Riders, even though the Brandt Centre, home of the WHL's Regina Pats, is a dump compared to the SaskTel Centre.

Having the bigger, better hockey arena has long been something Saskatoon has had over Regina, and if they play their cards right, Saskatoon could end up having two bigger and better arenas than Regina's Brandt Centre (aka the Agridome).

I just think it would be a terrible waste to see an arena as nice as the SaskTel Centre demolished in a city as hockey crazy as Saskatoon. Gordie Howe's ashes are buried outside the SaskTel Centre and Saskatoon was his hometown, and maybe the arena could be renamed one final time in honour of Gordie Howe.

I think it's a completely reasonable suggestion to build a 10-12k capacity downtown arena and also renovate the SaskTel Centre.



The Ralph Engelstad Arena at the University of North Dakota (pictured above, capacity 11,640) has been described by many as one of the finest hockey arenas in the world, and the not so great one himself even went as far to describe it as, "one of the most beautiful buildings we have in North America."

I guess it was built at a cost of around $100 million in 2001, and utilized some very high end finishes not typically seen in even NHL arenas... so maybe Saskatoon could build something with a comparable design with less high end finishes and still have a budget leftover for renovating and maintaining the Sasktel Centre. I could see the SaskTel Centre remaining as profitable venue for larger concerts, hockey tournaments, basketball, lacrosse, or the return of SJHL hockey to Saskatoon, which is one the best junior hockey leagues in the world outside of the CHL.

The hometown of Gordie Howe deserves a modern, world class arena downtown, I just really hope they don't demolish the SaskTel Centre in the process.



A full house watched the Regina Pats face the Saskatoon Blades at SaskTel Centre on March 19, 2023. (Steve Hiscock/Saskatoon Blades)



The interior of SaskTel Centre prior to a Saskatchewan Rush game.

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As for the bolded... You seem to think you're an authority on professional sports, but this is just a laughable assertion.
What isn't laughable is the non stop misinformation and childlike babble you spew which unfortunately has to been proven to be untrue time and again.

Answer me this, which is it, is the CFL dying or should they have teams in Moncton, Quebec etc, you've said both. It's like reading experimental AI still trying to get the kinks out.

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Harley Finkelstein, President of Shopify and (former?) member of the Montreal Baseball Group, states that a baseball stadium location "is already pre-approved". The location is close to downtown.
https://x.com/harleyf/status/1985030411664162863
Unclear what his present involvement is with efforts to bring baseball back.
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Harley Finkelstein, President of Shopify and (former?) member of the Montreal Baseball Group, states that a baseball stadium location "is already pre-approved". The location is close to downtown.
https://x.com/harleyf/status/1985030411664162863
Unclear what his present involvement is with efforts to bring baseball back.
After the craziness of what has happened during this Post Season/World Series in terms of fan support and viewership numbers, I am 100% confident now that the MLB is going to be looking into Montreal more seriously. The prospect of having another team with giant corporate and media conglomerate backing like the Blue Jays, with potential for nationwide support (especially if an Expos revival were to be in the NL) and 2 potential opportunities per season to have this sort of frenzy instead of 1, is just too good of a prospect to pass up. You simply would not be able to get a team with marketability like this in Nashville, Portland, Charlotte, Raleigh, Orlando, or SLC.

The same all applies to Vancouver too IMO.
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After the craziness of what has happened during this Post Season/World Series in terms of fan support and viewership numbers, I am 100% confident now that the MLB is going to be looking into Montreal more seriously. The prospect of having another team with giant corporate and media conglomerate backing like the Blue Jays, with potential for nationwide support (especially if an Expos revival were to be in the NL) and 2 potential opportunities per season to have this sort of frenzy instead of 1, is just too good of a prospect to pass up. You simply would not be able to get a team with marketability like this in Nashville, Portland, Charlotte, Raleigh, Orlando, or SLC.

The same all applies to Vancouver too IMO.
https://x.com/harleyf/status/1985128...5PPfotb4g&s=19
Harley corrected himself saying they don't have the land anymore, although he would be onboard with pursuing a team if (when) the opportunity next presents itself.
There is also still no ownership group, which is why nobody is talking about Montreal as an expansion candidate. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aR08dXhO1Mg

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I don't know what the arena portion of that billion is, but maybe they should look at a renovation of SaskTel for the big events and building a proper WHL size arena downtown as part of this project? Probably do that for a lot less than the cost of an NHL scale arena downtown, depending of course on how crazy they want to go on each project. Or do the NHL size arena downtown, I don't really care, not my money lol.
Lets set the record straight. Sasktel was the last of the generic cookie cutter arenas built in Canada. It will not be renovated short of blowing it up and starting from scratch. I have been to many different sporting events and concerts in that arena over the year. Way to cramped for capacity crowds.

It will be replaced by a NHL sized arena downtown, that's a good thing. My taxes will help pay for that, that's a good thing.
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Lets set the record straight. Sasktel was the last of the generic cookie cutter arenas built in Canada. It will not be renovated short of blowing it up and starting from scratch. I have been to many different sporting events and concerts in that arena over the year. Way to cramped for capacity crowds.

It will be replaced by a NHL sized arena downtown, that's a good thing. My taxes will help pay for that, that's a good thing.
Is an NHL sized facility not a waste of money though? Saskatoon is never getting an NHL team - at least not until the metro gets near to a million.
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Is an NHL sized facility not a waste of money though? Saskatoon is never getting an NHL team - at least not until the metro gets near to a million.
An arena has other uses than hockey. Sasktel Centre being the size it is has its benefits. It helps convince tours and other shows to have a Saskatchewan stop rather than be a fly over province. It allows Saskatoon to feasibly host larger events that otherwise only go to NHL markets. The city has proven that an arena this size suits its needs well.
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An arena has other uses than hockey. Sasktel Centre being the size it is has its benefits. It helps convince tours and other shows to have a Saskatchewan stop rather than be a fly over province. It allows Saskatoon to feasibly host larger events that otherwise only go to NHL markets. The city has proven that an arena this size suits its needs well.
Which seems like a lot of tax dollars for usage maybe 30-40 days a year.
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Lets set the record straight. Sasktel was the last of the generic cookie cutter arenas built in Canada. It will not be renovated short of blowing it up and starting from scratch. I have been to many different sporting events and concerts in that arena over the year. Way to cramped for capacity crowds.

It will be replaced by a NHL sized arena downtown, that's a good thing. My taxes will help pay for that, that's a good thing.

I really think maintaining Sasktel Centre (and maybe renaming it the Gordie Howe Arena) while also investing in a more reasonably sized downtown arena is a better plan.

Like, Saskatoon isn't going to grow into an NHL market by the time this new, downtown arena reaches its expiry date either, so it just seems excessive to spend a huge amount more on a 16,000+ seat hockey rink, when they could build something really nice with around 10,000 seats for a lot less, without demolishing Sasktel Centre.

Personally, I think an NHL team could actually work in Saskatoon (if they called them the Saskatchewan Roughriders) because Sask is that crazy for the Riders and Sask probably is the most hockey crazy province in all of Canada... but the NHL doesn't think that way.

Regina's stadium for the Riders being largely funded by taxpayers was incredibly divisive and many people were against the idea from the get go, even some very big Rider fans. Maybe I'm overestimating how much less it is to build a 10,000 or so arena is compared to an NHL scale 16,000+ arena, but I'm sure it would be quite a lot less.

Still think it's outrageous that Regina built the nicest football stadium in the country and couldn't even get a single World Cup match out of it. Yes, I've heard all the "not enough hotels" argument, but I counter that with there's more than enough Rider Fans across the province to fill up their stadium for a few football matches in the world's biggest sporting event.

Canadians was let down by Toronto and Vancouver getting all the matches, but I get that's mostly due to FIFA and their excessive requirements for host cities.

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An arena has other uses than hockey. Sasktel Centre being the size it is has its benefits. It helps convince tours and other shows to have a Saskatchewan stop rather than be a fly over province. It allows Saskatoon to feasibly host larger events that otherwise only go to NHL markets. The city has proven that an arena this size suits its needs well.
So why demolish it if it can still be a draw for those same large events?

Building a second NHL scale rink does seem excessive to me if it means demolishing Sasktel Centre, because of it's "not great" location.

A 10,000 seat arena could still attract a lot of great events, and it would be a much nicer arena for the Blades than the Sasktel Centre.

I really like the idea of renaming the Sasktel Centre, "the Gordie Howe Arena", and getting an SJHL team back in Saskatoon, along with making it a premier arena for the finals of Sask minor hockey tournaments, of which there are many.

Maintaining the facility without a major renovation could be a feasible long term solution which keeps it available for large concerts and events.
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