Winnipeg Construction VIII

[1ajs]

40 story proposal it was shot down by all the residents on that st worried about traffic congestion and wined about think of the children yada yada yada was very nimby and i think tv's mom lived on that st or something

[bomberjet]

haha I think you're correct AJ.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

40 story proposal

ZAA 06/2007

The developer applied to construct a 339.6 feet (103.5 metre), 35 story, 314 dwelling
multiple family dwelling with a two level 355 space parking structure on the subject land.

REPORT OF THE STANDING POLICY COMMITTEE ON PROPERTY AND DEVELOPMENT DATED JUNE 30, 2009 ---- #7 Page 16
http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/dmis/viewdoc.asp?docid=9453

Yeah, covered on last page of thread.

[bomberjet]

Back on the dog park topic. There's a small one going in as part of the Devonshire Village development in Transcona West. There was a comment on how the gates on dog parks around town, if any, are just a single gate. And not a double gate so your dog doesn't get loose.

The park going in at DV has two areas. One for small dogs, one for large dogs. They have a common double gated area. So seems the city knows how to do it right. They just need to implement.

http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/DMIS/View...onId=&InitUrl=

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

40 story proposal it was shot down by all the residents on that st worried about traffic congestion and wined about think of the children yada yada yada was very nimby and i think tv's mom lived on that st or something

Yup. Was not an appropriate place for a 40 storey tower. It was located 100 feet from the single family houses on that huge property. The site had a caviat prohibiting further development that was thrown out without discussion by Browaty. Developer did zero public consultation. Not a single mention to the community until the little yellow posters went up. That wouldn't happen today. City forces single residential lot developments to do public consultation.

In the end the residents rightly fought a terrible proposal. The developer came back with something appropriate. It was justified. The developer was a tit.

I know everyone gets boners overs towers for whatever reason but not every proposal is appropriate. It's difficult to really suggest that is where one of the tallest buildings in the city should be. What they are building is what should have been proposed initially. It took the community fight to get them to think.

[bomberfan68]

Looks like the new home at 1021 Wellington might be completed this year. Judging by the pictures on his website Tom Monteyne is taking a vastly different approach compared to what previously stood there. (Though he also designed the modernized interior and additions on the old home.)

Perhaps even with maximum replacement insurance value it's just not financially feasible to try to re-create what was there when you could scale down and keep some money in your pocket. I'm curious if there are even masons currently in the industry that would have the skills to rebuild the chimneys the old home had. Glad to see the family staying put though. If I had 15 million to spend I'd rebuild what was there rather than buy that 11 million dollar monstrosity down the street that still hasn't sold yet.

In general, there's some pretty remarkable new builds lately on Wellington and Old Tux.

http://www.mont-arc.com/projects/dis...wellington-2-0

http://www.mont-arc.com/projects/dis...llington-redux

[esquire]

^ Some of the house porn on the Monteyne website is unbelievable... this one is not new or the largest house around, but for my money it may be the greatest house in town... especially the interior. Spectacular.

http://www.mont-arc.com/projects/dis...ect/9/wy-house

PS - Welcome to the forum!

[bomberjet]

Was that the house with the fire? That grand ole girl didnt burn down, did she? I cant remember, but IIRC they were out of town and it caught fire?

And yes welcome! I thought I had made a post and forgot, but double checked the name haha

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Cyro

bj nailed it, something about shadows and too much traffic on an already busy street. They came back with a scaled down version 6 months later. It was approved.

Huh, Whellams Lane is anything but busy, actually it was built as a wide street to accommodate more traffic to begin with. Nimby-ism killed the first Edgewood Estates porposal, needless Nimby-ism where there is a severe shortage of rental accommodation in NE Winnipeg! TV saw things differently but after the sale of the family home in the vicinity he may have a different perspective now!

[cllew]

for a lot of people more than two cars an hour is busy, doesn't matter how wide its built.

I wonder how many of the people complaining were told by the real estate agent that sold them their house that the apartment block phase 2 would never happen.

[bomberjet]

Maybe 35 stories was a bit much and would be better suited for downtown. That's where we want all the development to go.

But if the 35 storey tower went up right where the current one is being constructed, how would it be any different, besides the number of people? It's not right next door to a single family home, theres two other tower in between it and homes. No different. Shadows would mostly be projecting out to Chief Peguis on the north, not in your aunts back yard. To add, there's traffic lights at Whellams and Henderson already, including a McD's. So what about traffic?

[esquire]

^ There's what, about 15 units a floor in that building? So 224 in the 15 storey version. Would have been around 525 in the 35 storey version following the same logic. Assuming an average occupancy of 1.5, that's 337.5 and 787.5 respectively. There were 415 suites to begin with, and the sky hasn't fallen around there.

I'm not sure why 338 more people in the area is no big deal but somehow 450 more on top of that would have been going way too far. That said, it looks like everyone can live with the compromise that was made.

[bomberjet]

Ya we all get boners for tall towers, TV's right. In the end it makes no difference to me.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Huh, Whellams Lane is anything but busy, actually it was built as a wide street to accommodate more traffic to begin with. Nimby-ism killed the first Edgewood Estates porposal, needless Nimby-ism where there is a severe shortage of rental accommodation in NE Winnipeg! TV saw things differently but after the sale of the family home in the vicinity he may have a different perspective now!

Haha Skylar, don't shoot the messenger, I didn't oppose the project. aprx: 224 units were added to NE's Winnipeg residential apartment housing crisis. You'd have to speak to the home owners on the street to get their opinion..

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by cllew

for a lot of people more than two cars an hour is busy, doesn't matter how wide its built.

I wonder how many of the people complaining were told by the real estate agent that sold them their house that the apartment block phase 2 would never happen.

Bolded: LOL! Told by a real estate agent, Good one!

[bomberfan68]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Was that the house with the fire? That grand ole girl didnt burn down, did she? I cant remember, but IIRC they were out of town and it caught fire?

And yes welcome! I thought I had made a post and forgot, but double checked the name haha

That's the one. Just over two years ago. The chap from Austria likely paid just under 2M for the place as it stood. I'd imagine the complete gutting and redesigning the interior plus the additions was another 2M at least. That was back in 07/08 so I can't imagine what the cost would work out to now.

While the Sifton/Pallister home at 761 down the street is similar in terms of size and stonework, the lack of imposing chimney and glass block windows don't make it stand out the way the one that burned down did, at least in my opinion. Though the new home at 1021 does have three rectangular windows on the front tyndall stone facade similar to the old home. I don't quite get why they configured it on the lot the way they did. Maybe being triangular it would not look right front and center on the lot.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ There's what, about 15 units a floor in that building? So 224 in the 15 storey version. Would have been around 525 in the 35 storey version following the same logic.

It was taller and thinner, not the same floorplate. My thoughts were they came out tall and thin so they could look like good guys at short and fat.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Biff

It was taller and thinner, not the same floorplate. My thoughts were they came out tall and thin so they could look like good guys at short and fat.

I can't imagine that a developer wouldn't have come up with a pretty thorough plan of action based on the neighbourhood's likely reaction to the initial renderings.

[bomberfan68]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Some of the house porn on the Monteyne website is unbelievable... this one is not new or the largest house around, but for my money it may be the greatest house in town... especially the interior. Spectacular.

http://www.mont-arc.com/projects/dis...ect/9/wy-house

PS - Welcome to the forum!

I believe that one is on Lyndale Dr in Norwood Flats which is a very nice neighbourhood that doesn't have properties change hands often.

Like the link you posted, it seems a majority of architecturally interesting properties are on the river and not necessarily on Wellington or in Tuxedo. Nor do Winnipeg's wealthiest live in the flashiest places. I think Hartley R. lives in Woodhaven on a few acres on the river. Chipman lives in Headingley. The ski lodge looking home at Handsart and Wellington may be one of the nicest homes in Wpg I think.

Some other neat ones that come to mind:
10000 sq-ft 100+ yr old brick home still standing on Roslyn Rd at Nassau formerly owned by French ballerina.
10000 sq-ft place on Dunkirk with a huge iron gate on a massive lot.
Home on Bishop's Lane in Chlswood on 5 acres.
Home on Ridgedale Cres in Chlswood on 9 acres, most of it forested.
Tarrow House on River Rd in Lockport.

Victoria Crescent in St. Vital is heavily treed, secluded, and feels like being at the cottage. That would be my first location of choice to tear down and build new.

[1ajs]

has anyone checked out that new river chill spot along the bike trail at anabela?