Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW)

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by wingman

No doubt it will cost a bit more, hoping for introductory pricing as they have done with other new routes.

@Dominion301 I should have mentioned I was looking for a July departure, seems the PAL option is off the table, at least for my dates.

Westjet used to offer great options for heading east, unfortunate they pulled out the way they did without more alternatives in place.

Wow, yeah - those return route options on Porter are terrible!! Getting to YYT via YHZ seemed easy... but yikes getting back to YOW.

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by wingman

Westjet used to offer great options for heading east, unfortunate they pulled out the way they did without more alternatives in place.

WestJet, at one time, offered YOW-YYT-LGW as a direct one-plane service. Given they are relaunching YYT-LGW this summer, it's too bad they aren't bringing back that option from YOW.

[wingman]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

WestJet, at one time, offered YOW-YYT-LGW as a direct one-plane service. Given they are relaunching YYT-LGW this summer, it's too bad they aren't bringing back that option from YOW.

I find it really hard to believe there is no market for a 3-4x direct weekly to YYT. YUL has 3x daily direct, so AC just want to funnel us there I guess.

Yes even that Westjet option would be great! Double purpose even as I am sure a lot of folks would take a same plane service to LGW over switching in YYZ, YUL or even CDG!

[bambam92]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

Good catch! Just did some poking around and that's the first day of daily ops now, so they moved it up a week. Not even loaded on Google Flights yet.

Just booked it today. Price dropped to the same as all the other days ($430 ish oneway) where it was $1430 yesterday for some unknown reason. Maybe a typo lol

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 75, including 10 sun flights and a hockey charter to IAD on a Nolinor 734

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 0

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Today’s departure count: 75, including 10 sun flights and a hockey charter to IAD on a Nolinor 734

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 0

I'm not sure that is a hockey charter as it's currently NHL All-Star break now.

[MountainView]

In the past, when I have pulled the Porter flight schedule, they have made changes within a week. So... I'll do it again, and hope they make some more additions this month.

Porter flight schedule update as of Feb 1, 2024 for JULY 2 2024 departures from YOW. Flights are sorted by departure time from YOW.



Porter flight schedule update as of Feb 1, 2024 for JULY 4 2024 arrivals to YOW. Flights are sorted by arrival time into YOW:



36 daily Porter departures:
- 21 on the DH4 | 1,638 seats
- 15 on the E2 | 1,980 seats
- Total of 3,618 available seats, per direction, per day

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by MountainView

I'm not sure that is a hockey charter as it's currently NHL All-Star break now.

Good point given Ottawa was in Detroit last night.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by MountainView

In the past, when I have pulled the Porter flight schedule, they have made changes within a week. So... I'll do it again, and hope they make some more additions this month.

Porter flight schedule update as of Feb 1, 2024 for JULY 2 2024 departures from YOW. Flights are sorted by departure time from YOW.



Porter flight schedule update as of Feb 1, 2024 for JULY 4 2024 arrivals to YOW. Flights are sorted by arrival time into YOW:



36 daily Porter departures:
- 21 on the DH4 | 1,638 seats
- 15 on the E2 | 1,980 seats
- Total of 3,618 available seats, per direction, per day

Thanks for putting this together. There's gotta be more coming to YOW with E95s when looking at the arrivals vs departures patterns. There's 12 E95 arrivals between 1400 & 2000, yet there's only 8 E95 departures between 1455 & 2045.

Not counting the 0003 arrival, backing up by 4 arrivals, they're not in all seriousness going to RON all the arrivals between 1753 & 1957 until the next morning.

To fill the gap, the following seems really doable:
-The most obvious: YYT evening out and morning return getting into YOW at 0800 (easy-peasy with the 90 minutes of time zones).
-A 3rd YVR at around 2100 with a redeye return using 1845 YOW-YVR that is the current RON is an easy 2nd add.
-A 2nd YWG departing YOW anytime after 1900. Catching that 1015 to YYZ the next morning is doable if the aircraft departed YWG at 0600.

Then the 1957 arrival could then still RON (and with the couple of extra hours on the ground be the overnight line maintenance bird at the hangar) along with the 0003.

It's fun to guess, but we'll probably find out this month what will really happen.

[Dominion301]

Throwback to circa 1957 when the old terminal building was under construction (photo courtesy Lost Ottawa):

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Thanks for putting this together. There's gotta be more coming to YOW with E95s when looking at the arrivals vs departures patterns. There's 12 E95 arrivals between 1400 & 2000, yet there's only 8 E95 departures between 1455 & 2045.

Not counting the 0003 arrival, backing up by 4 arrivals, they're not in all seriousness going to RON all the arrivals between 1753 & 1957 until the next morning.

To fill the gap, the following seems really doable:
-The most obvious: YYT evening out and morning return getting into YOW at 0800 (easy-peasy with the 90 minutes of time zones).
-A 3rd YVR at around 2100 with a redeye return using 1845 YOW-YVR that is the current RON is an easy 2nd add.
-A 2nd YWG departing YOW anytime after 1900. Catching that 1015 to YYZ the next morning is doable if the aircraft departed YWG at 0600.

Then the 1957 arrival could then still RON (and with the couple of extra hours on the ground be the overnight line maintenance bird at the hangar) along with the 0003.

It's fun to guess, but we'll probably find out this month what will really happen.

How likely do you think a route to LAS is likely? I keep switching between “yeah it’s going to happen” to “I don’t know anymore”

[Truenorth00]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

How likely do you think a route to LAS is likely? I keep switching between “yeah it’s going to happen” to “I don’t know anymore”

Depends how hard this looming recession is going to hit.

[JakeLRS]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

How likely do you think a route to LAS is likely? I keep switching between “yeah it’s going to happen” to “I don’t know anymore”

I'd be optimistic. Lets be real, Flair wont be bringing back YOW-LAS service next year, amid (a) the YOW base closing and (b) their will to survive another year.

Flair's loads in October on YOW-LAS were actually pretty good. If the numbers continue to perform well, I'd imagine Porter would be happy to pounce on that route next winter.

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by JakeLRS

I'd be optimistic. Lets be real, Flair wont be bringing back YOW-LAS service next year, amid (a) the YOW base closing and (b) their will to survive another year.

Flair's loads in October on YOW-LAS were actually pretty good. If the numbers continue to perform well, I'd imagine Porter would be happy to pounce on that route next winter.

With the amount of frames coming online I think YOW-LAS is a given.

[fanofYOW]

For sure it’s a given LAS will happen. Just I hope it’s announced sometime this year so I can use PD

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 77, including 12 sun flights

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 1

If it weren't for that cancellation, today could have been the highest departure count since the start of the pandemic. 77 has been hit multiple times, but this is the first time this winter. I guess there's a chance 77 can be broken in a couple of weeks once PD gets YYC underway. This summer though, 77 will be broken multiple times as the number of departures already scheduled for most weekdays from June-Labour Day are presently above 80.

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 64, including 12 sun flights

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 2

[RomanR27]

Looks like gates 16 and 17 are now swing gates. AC1758 to CUN departed from gate 17 today with the inbound from MCO, and AC8010 departed from gate 16 with the inbound from DCA.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

Looks like gates 16 and 17 are now swing gates. AC1758 to CUN departed from gate 17 today with the inbound from MCO, and AC8010 departed from gate 16 with the inbound from DCA.

Interesting. So they weren’t towed over after the inbound arrival?

Today’s departure count: 64, including 10 sun flights

Today’s cancellation count (so far): 5

While the US DoT don’t yet have November statistics, MCO’s website publishes statistics by airline. The following LFs assume a 100% completion factor, which I have no idea if that was the case:

PD Orlando (MCO) to Ottawa (YOW) and Toronto YYZ

NOV 69% LF
DEC 74% LF

[RomanR27]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

Interesting. So they weren’t towed over after the inbound arrival?

Doesn't look like it. Both flights were listed on the AC app as arriving at 16/17 respectively, and the Rouge plane in particular was only on the ground for about an hour.

I was curious and looks like there has been a sterile corridor connecting gates 16 and 17 to gate 15 for some time.

This video (starting at 3:58 timestamp) from 2021 shows the corridor beginning at gate 15, and by 4:40 timestamp you can see it ends at gate 17: https://youtu.be/-XLHksMoirc?si=CNZlPaNzDeRXmiLm&t=238

This video someone is deplaning from gate 17 in 2020. You can see just before they enter the terminal there is a door to the left that accesses the corridor (12:37 timestamp): https://youtu.be/CgtiMcCHD0A?si=lXP81I6JL96wnwGM&t=753

I'm guessing it's rarely used since (a) AC usually uses this for Rapidair flights and (b) if passengers requiring customs deplane from gate 17, you couldn't actively use gate 16 as passengers could potentially slip out to the domestic terminal without customs (or worse, board the plane sitting at gate 16). Even depending how well it's integrated with gate 15, it's possible you couldn't use gate 15 if passengers are using the corridor.

Good to know it exists. I recall a few pages back someone mentioning being stuck waiting for a gate on an inbound Porter flight from Florida. If these scenarios become more common, hopefully the Airport Authority can make better use of this corridor and force AC to use gates 18+ for Rapidair.

Edit: Looks like it's been there since at least 2016: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...postcount=1437