ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[L41A]

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Originally Posted by gttx

This is allowed! As has been said like 10 different times. So why are you still arguing about it?
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Because s/he's just interested in airtime to peddle his political views.

Exactly. You took the words out of my mouth. It's really starting to hijack the thread. His/her screen name in itself, tells you his/her purpose - politics. I say go to some news site or political site if you want to debate politics or at least to another section of this site. Not saying necessarily you shouldn't share your political view here, but dang we got it already.

[skapunkskatedude]

Originally Posted by scania

I'm not sure the relevancy of stating you grew up in England. England is an entire Country with different looks, from urban to the country side. IMO, it isn't fair to compare Warner Robins to any urban city. The entire country isn't meant to have a Manhattan feel throughout every part of the state.

Now it is essential for the government to have a say. This should keep things in order. If it was all up to the people, that would easily lead to forms of discrimination. And there are many types of discrimination. With that being said, there are a lot of people who could careless about having street level retail on every corner, just as it is important to some……

…..On another topic, some people feel that my statements can be harsh/insulting. Even though most of the time it is in response to someone throwing the egg first. Hopefully, we can all move on and I will do my best to express my thoughts without being rude or insulting.

I say i grew up in England because, prior to coming to America, i had never seen a city centered around strip malls. Because of the historical nature of the buildings in the UK, we have very strict guidelines to guide a few things, mainly 1) making sure that buildings fit in aesthetically with their surroundings and don't take away from the area, and 2) making sure that land is reused, because although it would be cheaper to just buy land elsewhere and build new shops, it ends up creating dead zones in the centre of cities.

Now, regarding the second part of your statement, i agree, it wouldn't be fair to compare Warner Robins to Atlanta or any other big city, which is why i wasn't. I was making the point that when a government (any government) decides that they will not make any zoning regulations, private businesses will do nothing but things that turn a profit. In Warner Robins that manifests as big box retailers with massive seas of parking lots, along with dead zones throughout the city where retailers abandoned their old buildings to make new ones in the newer parts of the city. In Atlanta, that would manifest as what we're arguing about; developers who couldn't care less what the outside of the building looks like with regards to the surrounding neighborhood and will fight to keep themselves from having to spend a penny to conform to those standards.

All in all, i understand the entire country isn't supposed to have a Manhattan feel to it, but you're presenting a false dichotomy, it doesn't have to be either strip malls or skyscrapers. You can still have parks in the suburbs and in the country. You can still have pretty streets and walkable areas.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by skapunkskatedude

I say i grew up in England because, prior to coming to America, i had never seen a city centered around strip malls. Because of the historical nature of the buildings in the UK, we have very strict guidelines to guide a few things, mainly 1) making sure that buildings fit in aesthetically with their surroundings and don't take away from the area, and 2) making sure that land is reused, because although it would be cheaper to just buy land elsewhere and build new shops, it ends up creating dead zones in the centre of cities.

I think Warner Robins is built around the air force base - not strip malls. The strip malls sprang up to support the base, as I believe the city did as well. I don't proclaim to know anything about WR, but it has received some awards recently as one of American's best small towns. Is there really no downtown at all there? Most American small towns/suburbs have a historic center that isn't strip malls.

I'm not trying to argue, but you seem to romanticize the small towns in England. When I lived there I saw several spread-out, suburban style towns that weren't any better than some of the small towns in Georgia.

[skapunkskatedude]

Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

I think Warner Robins is built around the air force base - not strip malls. The strip malls sprang up to support the base, as I believe the city did as well. I don't proclaim to know anything about WR, but it has received some awards recently as one of American's best small towns. Is there really no downtown at all there? Most American small towns/suburbs have a historic center that isn't strip malls.

I'm not trying to argue, but you seem to romanticize the small towns in England. When I lived there I saw several spread-out, suburban style towns that weren't any better than some of the small towns in Georgia.

Warner Robins doesn't have a historic downtown. There's an area that they wanted to try to make into one, but the was willing to only knock down some old shacks, which has basically lead to it just being empty lots.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by skapunkskatedude

Warner Robins doesn't have a historic downtown. There's an area that they wanted to try to make into one, but the was willing to only knock down some old shacks, which has basically lead to it just being empty lots.

Then it is different from most Georgia towns...I guess being incorporated in the 1940s has something to do with it.

[testarossa50]

Is it time for Construction Thread VI? Because this thread has developed a terminal illness in the last ~50 posts.

[testarossa50]

So, in non-"omg zoning exists" discussion, it looks like the Tech apartments have their crane erected. Should start going vertical relatively soon.

[micropundit]

http://www.reporternewspapers.net/2014/0...oming-economic-hub-metro-atlanta-region/

[PremierAtlanta]

Originally Posted by micropundit

That is an impressive amount of development. Much of it fueled by companies moving to the area. That amount of development would rival that of many mid-sized cities.

[Ant131531]

Perimeter would be alright if it had some type of grid or something....it's still not that walkable.

[66native]

I totally agree.

[Hot_Pepper]

Originally Posted by joecool

Metropolitan, I knew it was something like that. lol

I left out the third tower on 98th. It's kinda hidden behind the two taller towers. I suppose I can add later.

The 7th and Peachtree I drew but ended up not adding because you cant see it behind the huge 6th and P'tree tower.

Did I not put the 11th and Crescent tower in the right place? I know there is no rendering yet so I just put a question mark.

it was MET LIFE, I know somone who worked at the Arthritis Foundation when all that went through in the mid 2000's and they were considering leaving or staying.

[ChrisInmanPark]

Beltline Connection to Murder Kroger

Just heard from the Ponce Kroger store manager, that plans for a connection between Kroger and the Beltline just got approved by the city. They hope to begin construction next month (March). These plans have been in the works for about a year and were first presented to us at the Fourth Ward Alliance meeting last summer.

Oh, and they are trying to change their identity from “Murder Kroger” to “Beltline Kroger”

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beltline-Kroger/427770274024712

In other Beltline connection news….the connection between the Beltline and the Whole Foods/Home Depot shopping center was supposed to begin this summer, however word is that has been delayed 12 -18 months. The connection is to go behind the CVS. This should be talked about at the rescheduled Beltline meeting for this Thursday, 2/27 at the Clubroom at AMLI Parkside.

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by ChrisInmanPark

Beltline Connection to Murder Kroger

Just heard from the Ponce Kroger store manager, that plans for a connection between Kroger and the Beltline just got approved by the city. They hope to begin construction next month (March). These plans have been in the works for about a year and were first presented to us at the Fourth Ward Alliance meeting last summer.

Oh, and they are trying to change their identity from “Murder Kroger” to “Beltline Kroger”

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beltline-Kroger/427770274024712

In other Beltline connection news….the connection between the Beltline and the Whole Foods/Home Depot shopping center was supposed to begin this summer, however word is that has been delayed 12 -18 months. The connection is to go behind the CVS. This should be talked about at the rescheduled Beltline meeting for this Thursday, 2/27 at the Clubroom at AMLI Parkside.

Did you see the plans for the Kroger / Beltline connection or did they just talk about the plans? I am interested to know what exactly they're doing. I assume they're just going to make an "official" entrance where the footpath has already developed.

[kamden99]

Originally Posted by ChrisInmanPark

Beltline Connection to Murder Kroger

Oh, and they are trying to change their identity from “Murder Kroger” to “Beltline Kroger”

But they have spent so much time building the brand!

In other news, here is a shot I took earlier today of the soil sample testing going on at the 811 Peachtree property. They are turning that parking lot into Swiss cheese! (In the background, you can see where workers have cut out a storefront for the unnamed "urban grocery store" planned along 6th Street side of the Viewpoint retail.)

[ChrisInmanPark]

Originally Posted by ATL_J

Did you see the plans for the Kroger / Beltline connection or did they just talk about the plans? I am interested to know what exactly they're doing. I assume they're just going to make an "official" entrance where the footpath has already developed.

Here are the plans they showed last summer for the Beltline/Kroger connection. As far as I know they are still the same. The Kroger parking lot is at the top.

[L.ARCH]

Originally Posted by kamden99

(In the background, you can see where workers have cut out a storefront for the unnamed "urban grocery store" planned along 6th Street side of the Viewpoint retail.)

I'm beginning to wonder if midtown actually has the population to support all these planned/proposed grocery stores. There's this one you mentioned at Viewpoint, one supposedly going in across the street in the proposed 811 building, another was planned in the 12th and midtown development, there's one on the Crescent side of Tivoli's project at 1138 Peachtree, and another one (I cant mention where) north of 14th street. I know these are only proposals at this point but seems a bit ambitious don't you think?

[scania]

Originally Posted by L.ARCH

I'm beginning to wonder if midtown actually has the population to support all these planned/proposed grocery stores. There's this one you mentioned at Viewpoint, one supposedly going in across the street in the proposed 811 building, another was planned in the 12th and midtown development, there's one on the Crescent side of Tivoli's project at 1138 Peachtree, and another one (I cant mention where) north of 14th street. I know these are only proposals at this point but seems a bit ambitious don't you think?

The Publix at Plaza Midtown seems to be a huge success. I'm not sure if that has a lot to do with the proximity of Midtown Train Station. With that being said, grocery stores are such a huge part of people's daily lives to where these proposals might have a huge impact and have great success.

[Dettmann1]

Originally Posted by ChrisInmanPark

Beltline Connection to Murder Kroger

Just heard from the Ponce Kroger store manager, that plans for a connection between Kroger and the Beltline just got approved by the city. They hope to begin construction next month (March). These plans have been in the works for about a year and were first presented to us at the Fourth Ward Alliance meeting last summer.

Oh, and they are trying to change their identity from “Murder Kroger” to “Beltline Kroger”

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beltline-Kroger/427770274024712

In other Beltline connection news….the connection between the Beltline and the Whole Foods/Home Depot shopping center was supposed to begin this summer, however word is that has been delayed 12 -18 months. The connection is to go behind the CVS. This should be talked about at the rescheduled Beltline meeting for this Thursday, 2/27 at the Clubroom at AMLI Parkside.

Unless things have changed, I would doubt you ever see a connection behind the CVS. The Beltline managed to piss off the landowner during construction of that CVS to the point where about the only way it would happen would be eminent domain.

[joecool]

Originally Posted by ChrisInmanPark

Here are the plans they showed last summer for the Beltline/Kroger connection. As far as I know they are still the same. The Kroger parking lot is at the top.

That looks SOOOOO nice!!! I hope this means they'll cut down those pine trees. I love trees but I HATE pine trees. They are so ugly and don't belong in a city. Is it just me?